S12 Episode 7 - Heaven is a Place on Earth

[Yeah No]

With her 40th birthday approaching, Whitney watches as her friends get married and have babies; determined not to be left behind, Whitney attempts to quell this mid-life crisis with the help of non-traditional alternatives.

1 hour ago, Mahamid Frauded Me said:

I am just not buying this sympathy tour she is trying on TV. I do think she got a lot of backlash for her behavior and is trying to redeem herself on the show, but she is absolutely obnoxious and a bitch on SM. Her not getting a date is because she is a c u next Tuesday, not because she is overweight

Mahamid, you always have a way of putting things that I can't do quite as well myself!

[BAForever]

This week was more disjointed than usual. A psychic, Tal in a mankini, flooring shopping with Buddy, Whit eating pickles while carrying on a conversation, a sexual cleansing, a "why can't   Whitney find a partner" party with random people. All over the place.

[Gramto6]

Whelp! I missed it! Sorry/Not sorry!! I'll have to wait for the rerun on Sept 3. Urmm...I won't be holding my breath!

I'll read you brave soul's comments and decide if I need to see it at all!

[Yeah No]

15 minutes ago, Gramto6 said:

Whelp! I missed it! Sorry/Not sorry!! I'll have to wait for the rerun on Sept 3. Urmm...I won't be holding my breath!

I'll read you brave soul's comments and decide if I need to see it at all!

 I recorded it but haven't watched it yet so my comments on this episode will have to wait until I do.

[Me from ME]

Yeeesh. Same old narcissistic behaviors. Ask for advice and then immediately reject it. First example, she whined to her father that she didn't know where to go to meet men.  He mentioned that he had seen a lot of men who seemed to be unattached at the last basketball game he had attended. Her response? "Waaaah, I don't like basketball".

Jessica suggested to her that she should not be so picky and not to approach a first date with expectations that it would be a potential life mate. She dismissed it out of hand, as well as other comments her paid friends made to her.  When leaving the flooring supply store her parting words to the manager:  "if you have any friends who are single and good looking send them my way."

I don't think she knows how relationships work. It's all about what SHE wants, that SHE wants someone waiting for her at home. Nary a word about shared activities or interests. 

Oh, one more thing that really bugged me. She described herself as having been Prom Queen. Anyone who has followed her story over the years knows that she was in the Court and NOT the Queen. The picture that was shown was not from the Prom, maybe a day after. As I recall the theatre kids may have nominated her as a joke on the cheerleaders and she left early before the crowning.

[Gramto6]

It gets harder and harder for her to lie on TV when she has been on so long. We remember how things actually played out the first time she brought them up. We really do remember! She must really think her audience just loves her soooo much they will believe anything she says no matter how it aligns with the truth of the story. Or that we are just too stupid to remember....

And I haven't even watched this episode yet!!!~

Edited August 21 by Gramto6

[SunnyBeBe]

I think the writers tried to get creative, but it was a struggle.  Wish they’d let me help.  Lol. I think the viewers could come up with goid ideas.  Still, I do enjoy Tal and Todd.  Why not more Todd?  His snark on Whit is hysterical.  
 

I do see Whit’s frustration with being single as genuine.  That’s a real storyline and I think it can create a lot of material.  I do question if she will need to change the name of the show if she gets thin.  
 

I hope Whit realizes there are thin people who have the same single living challenges.  And, there are plenty of obese people who are married and/or with a partner.  However, getting fit, doesn’t mean you have to fall into disorder territory.  I wonder if she has a phobia of good nutrition.  
 

I suppose we shall see how she decides to address her issues.  I am curious. 
 

Oh, I’m also curious about her Dad’s house.  It makes no sense for him to keep it.  He would seemingly enjoy an active senior community, where he could be active, meet people and age in place.  But, the upgrades Wit is doing will help with a sale.  
 

Why is Todd upstairs so much and where is Glenn living?  (When this was filmed?)

[Pi237]

3 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

 

I hope Whit realizes there are thin people who have the same single living challenges.  And, there are plenty of obese people who are married and/or with a partner.  

This.
 

Plus, I can’t stand that ‘married w/children’ smugness some people get-like Lenny last night, he was so full of himself with his comments. I’m glad he got sober, that’s a big accomplishment! But having a wedding or getting someone pregnant happens on the regular and it doesn’t guarantee happiness. Also, It’s not like getting your Masters or creating a profound piece of Art.  I just don’t hold marriage and kids as high on the ‘wow, look at what I did! I’m validated as a woman, now!’ Level.

 

of course, being a good spouse or a good parent is definitely an accomplishment. But that’s a process, not a checklist of things To Do. I know marriages that are miserable between thin, fat, average sized people.  And I know happy ones of all sizes, too. Whitney shouldn’t have to change who she is to find a partner. Because trust me, people don’t change for long. She’ll pretend for a while, get married etc and then her real self will come out and her spouse and kids will be stuck with a very unhappy person who settled because they felt they had no choice. 
 

I did feel she was being real about the weight struggles. She mentioned the extra skin, etc It’s harder as you get older to lose. I think she’s afraid of trying and failing at it. Who wouldn’t be?  I’d say a bigger reason she hasn’t found the one is because she’s on tv. Yes, also because she’s larger, and has shown herself in some very embarrassing situations, so that limits the options.  But it should because Whitney needs someone who likes her for who she is right now. I’m sure he’s out there, but he’s probably not a young, thin childless man. She can’t date like she’s in college anymore. She needs to go older.

Tal is just so odd to me. That bath thing? Ew.  And again, no one holds that baby for the mom. Does she not let anyone? Lol

[Pi237]

One more thought lol about Whitney losing weight and no longer living a Fat, Fabulous Life-the truth is, it was never fabulous which is shame because I’m sure there are a lot of fat women living wonderful lives. But a Whitney was always insecure and trying too hard to appear Super Happy & Ok with her weight, when I don’t think she ever was. That was, seemingly, the real premise of the show-let’s humiliate this self-centered yet insecure fat woman and see if she breaks.  Remember she met all those large women who were confident and fun and funny and her insecurities had her talking over everyone and being competitive for attention? So, she should go ahead and get a bypass or Ozempic and lose the weight because I think that’s what she’s wanted to do all along, but was afraid because of real reasons-eating disorder and fear of failure. But maybe she won’t ever be happy until she does get thin? I’m not saying she Has to, no one Has to get thin to make other people happy, but she’s at a crossroads-either lose weight and see if that was the problem all along Or truly accept herself for who she is and with that, accept she may not meet Mr Perfect. 

[applewood]

That was a weird episode, The bath with Tal was just ewww.

Whitney needs to lose weight for herself, not her daddy or a man. She is going to have a lot of health problems in the coming years if she does not lose some weight. I'm not saying she should be a size zero, but she is way past the healthy stage. She said in the People magazine article that in season 1 she was 385 and she lost 100 pounds in the last year or so, partly due to her mom's death. So, now she is 285. However, I think someone said her height is 5'3" and if you look up her BMI it would be 50.5. She would have to lose 120 pounds just to get out of the obese category (which is 30 or above).

She really needs to push "the reset button" on her whole life. If she lost some weight, got some new hobbies, got out of the house more maybe she would meet someone.

As others have said, I think her dad should sell the house. I looked it up online and it's 5 bedrooms, over 4000 square feet, kind of big for one person.

[monagatuna]

Agree, that was extremely weird. Nothing like appropriating pieces of a belief system you don't follow for "entertainment"! This was up there with her "Jew-Bu" appropriation. Some of us take this shit seriously, Quitney, and don't need your mockery.

The pickle thing was so gross. She clearly uses food as a comfort, and people with compulsive eating behaviors often turn to low-calorie foods to satisfy their fixation. Nothing at all wrong with that! But pickles are a bad choice. She already has had HBP, her mother had multiple strokes after living off canned soups and little else, and she gets very little to no exercise. That much salt as part of a compulsion is not a good idea. I get it, pickles are delicious, but maybe try some other crudites to balance it out?

[Elizzikra]

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Oh, I’m also curious about her Dad’s house.  It makes no sense for him to keep it.  He would seemingly enjoy an active senior community, where he could be active, meet people and age in place.  But, the upgrades Wit is doing will help with a sale.  

My mom is in her 80's and lives alone in the house I grew up in. Many older people are very reluctant to part with their homes. There are a lot of memories there. It's familiar. Often they have connections in their neighborhood. Financially, if the home is paid off, they may not want to sell and have to spend most of the proceeds to go to something smaller (senior living communities are expensive). IIRC, Glen's house has a full bedroom and full bath on the main level so if stairs become an issue, he can move downstairs.

Is is more space than Glen needs? Probably. Maybe he likes having extra rooms in case out-of-town guests come. If he can afford to stay where he is, it's his decision. 

[monagatuna]

2 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

My mom is in her 80's and lives alone in the house I grew up in. Many older people are very reluctant to part with their homes. There are a lot of memories there. It's familiar. Often they have connections in their neighborhood. Financially, if the home is paid off, they may not want to sell and have to spend most of the proceeds to go to something smaller (senior living communities are expensive). IIRC, Glen's house has a full bedroom and full bath on the main level so if stairs become an issue, he can move downstairs.

Is is more space than Glen needs? Probably. Maybe he likes having extra rooms in case out-of-town guests come. If he can afford to stay where he is, it's his decision. 

I hear you, but Glen is the one saying he is thinking of selling. Obviously we only see what he says on camera, but that's all we have to go on, and he's the one who wants to sell. Whitney is trying to keep him in place (so she can continue to control him).

[SunnyBeBe]

I suspect the renovation was due to a suggestion of the listing agent as well as content on the show.  I haven’t bothered to see if it was listed or sold.  I’d think it would be isolating living there alone, but…..idk.  Plus, the place holds a lot of memories.  
 

 

 

 

 

[lightninggirl]

Did Tal buy a condo at the beach and therefore needs a paycheck? I can't really see a need for him to be in a speedo other than he's got money troubles and will do whatever the producers want him to do. Also, I don't know if McCormick dried rosemary flakes are what the creators of the Secks Magick Ritural™️ had in mind.

I'm really glad to see Todd. I need him to read Whitney for filth. A lot. And often.

Why is she going against her father's wishes and not selling his house? Did she give an actual reason, like needing to stay close to her mom's memory? Is she on the deed, and therefore has a way to block a sale?

Lenny: You're better than you were before. I assume you've grown as a person...
Uh, no. Lenny. No, she has not. Clearly he knows that as immediately in his talking head he was saying how much she needs to evolve and grow personally.

Tal: When I met you, you were thin and had no problem attracting men. You had men falling all over you.
Um, Tal? Attracting them is one thing, but KEEPING them is another.

Whitney doesn't want to lose weight, even though she claims to. She doesn't have the drive or the commitment to lose weight. She was complaining about having loose skin if she lost weight, but that's just an additional excuse not to put in the work. Additionally, even going on Ozempic is not an easy ride, and I doubt she'd stick to that (or wind up sick from not keeping her protein & water intake up, which gets people in trouble on it).

[SunnyBeBe]

Loose skin is an issue, but there’s no way around it.  I’d suggest that she gets with it, if she intends to lose. The younger the skin the better.  As I’ve stated before, I have lost almost 90 pounds on purpose as part of my fitness journey. It involves a lot of things like diet, nutrition, exercise, mental health, spiritual awareness, etc.  I have loose skin and feel that I will have some skin surgeries.  We’ll see.  I was thin to average for most of my life. My weight gain was during covid.  
 

Whit really has everything she needs to get to where she wants to be.  If she fears an eating disorder, get it treated.  Deal with it, so you can free yourself from the pull it has on you.  I love the way I can hop up and do any activity I want, have loads of energy, great endurance, feel good in my skin and love to socialize and meet new people.  Whit seems to want that.  I hope she’s working on it. 

[applewood]

On 8/22/2024 at 1:35 PM, Elizzikra said:

My mom is in her 80's and lives alone in the house I grew up in. Many older people are very reluctant to part with their homes. There are a lot of memories there. It's familiar. Often they have connections in their neighborhood. Financially, if the home is paid off, they may not want to sell and have to spend most of the proceeds to go to something smaller (senior living communities are expensive). IIRC, Glen's house has a full bedroom and full bath on the main level so if stairs become an issue, he can move downstairs.

Is is more space than Glen needs? Probably. Maybe he likes having extra rooms in case out-of-town guests come. If he can afford to stay where he is, it's his decision. 

I can see both sides. I know older couples who stay in the house that they have lived in for decades because they are close with the neighbors, near their church etc. Glen's house seems kind of big for him (5 bed. 4000 sq. ft) so I could see him selling it and moving to a smaller house or a senior community. As others have said, some enjoy the social aspect of a senior living situation. I was thinking, wouldn't it be a hoot if Glen ended up meeting someone and getting married again before Whitney!

[Yeah No]

This was my birthday week so I didn't get here until it was all said but I agree with the observation about the smugness of Whitney's married friends. They do seem to understand that her weight IS really a factor in her lack of success but tell her at the same time that she's too "picky". The way Lenny seemed to progress in his relationship makes me wonder if he wasn't picky enough. I actually sympathize with her over the difficulty she would have meeting someone that she'd truly match with. She is not a "typical" person. She is intelligent and accomplished and even today that can be a lot for some men. We also have to remember that she is from the South and she is not a "typical" Southerner. But I agree with the psychic, who I am sure made that comment about her feeling she is worth it on Twit's request. I think Whitney has been her own worst enemy and has actually put men off. She has been engaging in self-sabotage, likely because she is afraid that she is not worth finding the right guy so she might as well not really risk the rejection.

As far as losing the weight goes, her resistance to that is all a part of the self-sabotage. And that's wearing thin now, (no pun intended!). Although she has lost some weight she seems to have plateaued now. Her 40 midlife crisis is probably partly about realizing the health issues she will face going forward if she doesn't lose some more weight. That twisted ankle is an example. It's only downhill from here. And she might already be predisposed to a stroke given her mother's history. So it's time for her to grow up and realize that everything hinges on her losing weight. As we get older it becomes less about appearance and more about health. 

I also think she would have more luck losing weight if she does it now rather than wait until it becomes harder during perimenopause and menopause. It's never easy but it's even harder as we get older. I am suffering from that issue right now. And I can't even take weight loss drugs (bad reactions) so if she can she would be crazy from my POV not to do it. And BTW, the show has reached a point where she really needs to use a weight loss journey as a plot device to keep it on the air. She has EVERY reason to lose the weight now and can't hang on to her self defeating behavior any more.

[SunnyBeBe]

12 hours ago, Yeah No said:

This was my birthday week so I didn't get here until it was all said but I agree with the observation about the smugness of Whitney's married friends. They do seem to understand that her weight IS really a factor in her lack of success but tell her at the same time that she's too "picky". The way Lenny seemed to progress in his relationship makes me wonder if he wasn't picky enough. I actually sympathize with her over the difficulty she would have meeting someone that she'd truly match with. She is not a "typical" person. She is intelligent and accomplished and even today that can be a lot for some men. We also have to remember that she is from the South and she is not a "typical" Southerner. But I agree with the psychic, who I am sure made that comment about her feeling she is worth it on Twit's request. I think Whitney has been her own worst enemy and has actually put men off. She has been engaging in self-sabotage, likely because she is afraid that she is not worth finding the right guy so she might as well not really risk the rejection.

As far as losing the weight goes, her resistance to that is all a part of the self-sabotage. And that's wearing thin now, (no pun intended!). Although she has lost some weight she seems to have plateaued now. Her 40 midlife crisis is probably partly about realizing the health issues she will face going forward if she doesn't lose some more weight. That twisted ankle is an example. It's only downhill from here. And she might already be predisposed to a stroke given her mother's history. So it's time for her to grow up and realize that everything hinges on her losing weight. As we get older it becomes less about appearance and more about health. 

I also think she would have more luck losing weight if she does it now rather than wait until it becomes harder during perimenopause and menopause. It's never easy but it's even harder as we get older. I am suffering from that issue right now. And I can't even take weight loss drugs (bad reactions) so if she can she would be crazy from my POV not to do it. And BTW, the show has reached a point where she really needs to use a weight loss journey as a plot device to keep it on the air. She has EVERY reason to lose the weight now and can't hang on to her self defeating behavior any more.

Good points and Happy Birthday!!!🥳🎂🎁⭐️

[Gramto6]

Agree totally @Yeah No! I finally go to watch this episode. Her friends tried to tip toe around the weight issue and you could see Whitneys's thinly veiled anger as they talked. Then the next morning Tal (?) really put it out there but Whitney,  still tried to ignore it saying she "wanted to be wanted just as she is" (she isn't even thinking beyond the weight, to her personality) ... She has some work she has to get serious and do to/for herself, be happy for herself, not through another person's adoration.

Her handsome, adoring, hunk of a guy isn't just going to drop out of the sky and get on his knees and propose to her at first sight. She really can't accept that she has to make some changes to herself, if for nothing else, her health.  I agree that a weight loss journey would be a good plot device for the show as long as she really tries. No car eating on the sly.... even if she "just took a bite". LOL!

And Happy Birthday @Yeah No!!🎂 🎉🤗

[SunnyBeBe]

Whit’s morbid obesity is quite a mystery.  It doesn’t appear to run in her family and it doesn’t appear there was an environment that fostered it, based on old videos and stories about her growing up.  Often people who are so hardwired for large quantities of food developed it as a child or teen.  I actually don’t think I’ve ever known anyone who developed a gain like she did.  

[Yeah No]

46 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Whit’s morbid obesity is quite a mystery.  It doesn’t appear to run in her family and it doesn’t appear there was an environment that fostered it, based on old videos and stories about her growing up.  Often people who are so hardwired for large quantities of food developed it as a child or teen.  I actually don’t think I’ve ever known anyone who developed a gain like she did.  

Interestingly in this episode she repeated something I remember hearing her say in much earlier seasons when talking about her original weight gain. She says her weight shot up over a few weeks time. That is shockingly rapid and it makes me wonder if there weren't other things going on at the time that caused it. Rapid weight gain can be caused by medical conditions and even medications. Maybe there was something she has never associated with it going on there to explain it. Too bad she didn't have a doctor at the time up to the task of figuring it out. Most doctors aren't up to dealing with something like that.

What most people don't realize is that once a person gains a lot of weight like that their bodies try to force them into maintaining it by making them much hungrier, which is when they actually might start eating more. So it may not be eating more that caused the weight gain, but after the weight gain one can feel hungry enough to eat more to maintain it.

In my own case I can assure the world that my weight gain was not caused by eating more because it actually happened while dieting and exercising. I was on supervised diet programs and the counselors didn't want to believe me that I was sticking to the program. It was maddening and insulting. I did not change my eating habits. What changed is that I had my last period and my hormones and metabolism were changing. I relate to what Whitney says about the weight piling on for seemingly no reason. And in my case I fought the hunger with willpower most people don't have and it still didn't help. I have only been able to lose weight by being able to "fool" my body into letting go of some of it after a period of not dieting as strictly and gaining. But usually after only about 25 lbs. or so my body finds ways to slowly creep up again no matter what I do. And then I am "shit out of luck" because after a while my body has become used to eating a strict diet and still doesn't want to lose any weight. And the amount of exercise I'd have to do to counteract that effect would likely injure me at my age. I've tried it and regretted it. I do what my body can tolerate.

[SunnyBeBe]

14 hours ago, Yeah No said:

Interestingly in this episode she repeated something I remember hearing her say in much earlier seasons when talking about her original weight gain. She says her weight shot up over a few weeks time. That is shockingly rapid and it makes me wonder if there weren't other things going on at the time that caused it. Rapid weight gain can be caused by medical conditions and even medications. Maybe there was something she has never associated with it going on there to explain it. Too bad she didn't have a doctor at the time up to the task of figuring it out. Most doctors aren't up to dealing with something like that.

What most people don't realize is that once a person gains a lot of weight like that their bodies try to force them into maintaining it by making them much hungrier, which is when they actually might start eating more. So it may not be eating more that caused the weight gain, but after the weight gain one can feel hungry enough to eat more to maintain it.

In my own case I can assure the world that my weight gain was not caused by eating more because it actually happened while dieting and exercising. I was on supervised diet programs and the counselors didn't want to believe me that I was sticking to the program. It was maddening and insulting. I did not change my eating habits. What changed is that I had my last period and my hormones and metabolism were changing. I relate to what Whitney says about the weight piling on for seemingly no reason. And in my case I fought the hunger with willpower most people don't have and it still didn't help. I have only been able to lose weight by being able to "fool" my body into letting go of some of it after a period of not dieting as strictly and gaining. But usually after only about 25 lbs. or so my body finds ways to slowly creep up again no matter what I do. And then I am "shit out of luck" because after a while my body has become used to eating a strict diet and still doesn't want to lose any weight. And the amount of exercise I'd have to do to counteract that effect would likely injure me at my age. I've tried it and regretted it. I do what my body can tolerate.

That sounds very frustrating. The only medical issue Whit has mentioned is PCOS.  She does seem to have many of those symptoms.  But, she is ovulating, according to these new episodes.  I guess that means her condition has improved?…

Edited August 26 by SunnyBeBe

[Yeah No]

2 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

That sounds very frustrating. The only medical issue Whit has mentioned is PCOS.  She does seem to have many if those symptoms.  But, she is ovulating, according to these new episodes.  I guess that means her condition has improved?…

It just means she's lost enough weight to resume ovulating. A lot of women as obese as she was have difficulties ovulating and like her may not ever get their periods as a result. The PCOS may have only been involved in making it easier for her to gain the weight in the first place and making it very difficult to lose. Also if you read below a lot of women that obese might have difficulty with pregnancy as well. I have a suspicion that she was not just avoiding using her eggs because she had no partner but because she was told it would be risky or difficult for her to bring a pregnancy to term. That also may be a big reason she lost the weight.

So I think she is actually being dishonest on the show about some of this stuff. She is glossing over the real issues. I even wonder if she is hiding her real motives which are to have a child on her own at some point when she is given the medical OK. Or she may actually be hiding a real man in her life that has given her an ultimatum that unless she gets herself fit for pregnancy either the natural way or with her frozen eggs before they expire he's out of there. This may have come from a real "Frenchman" or someone else. Her long term goal and strategy to keep the show on the air may be for her to turn the series into that story where she loses weight, the man materializes, they get married and have a baby.

This from Google's AI. Note it also mentions PCOS briefly and calls it "an infertility issue" because it can inhibit ovulation and cause other difficulties with pregnancy:

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Yes, morbidly obese women may have trouble ovulating due to a number of factors, including: 

Estrogen levels

As fat cells grow with weight gain, they release more estrogen. This can cause the body to react as if it's taking hormonal birth control or is already pregnant, which can prevent ovulation and menstruation. 

Insulin levels

Obese women often have higher insulin levels, which can stimulate the ovaries to produce more androgens. These androgens are then converted to estrogen, which can negatively affect the hypothalamic-pituitary-ovarian (HPO) axis and gonadotropin production. This can lead to menstrual abnormalities and ovulatory dysfunction. 

Adipokine levels

Obesity can alter adipokine levels, which can affect ovarian function and disrupt the hormonal balance needed for ovulation. For example, obesity can decrease adiponectin and increase leptin. 

Polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS)

Obesity can be linked to PCOS, an infertility condition that can cause irregular menstrual cycles, anovulation, and elevated male hormone levels. 

According to the Mayo Clinic, a high BMI can harm fertility by making it harder to ovulate regularly. Even for women who ovulate regularly, it may take longer to get pregnant the higher their BMI. One study found that women with a BMI over 50 had a 21.2% chance of live birth per cycle, compared to 31.4% for women with a normal BMI. 

More from Google AI on how PCOS relates to infertility:

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Polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS) is a chronic condition that can cause hormonal imbalances that can lead to infertility. PCOS can make it difficult to get pregnant because it can cause irregular periods, which can lead to a lack of ovulation. Other causes of infertility in women with PCOS include: 

Egg development: The egg may not develop properly or may not be released during ovulation 

Egg quality: Increased levels of hormones like testosterone can affect egg quality 

Uterine lining: The uterine lining may not be adequate for egg implantation 

Ovarian thickness: Thickened ovaries can prevent spontaneous ovulation 

PCOS is one of the most common causes of infertility in women, but it's also treatable. Some symptoms can be improved with lifestyle changes, medications, and fertility treatments. 

 

Edited August 26 by Yeah No

[Yeah No]

I just want to say that with any condition like PCOS not everyone has the same symptoms or effects from the condition. She may be able to ovulate with the condition and have a baby without too many issues and it may have only been because of her weight that she wasn't ovulating or having periods.

Also while PCOS is known to cause weight gain and difficulty losing weight not everyone has those symptoms either. Whitney may just suffer from those issues even while others don't. My own health condition is similar. Hashimoto's has been known to cause weight management problems but some don't have them.

Edited August 26 by Yeah No

[LuvMyShows]

On 8/21/2024 at 3:10 PM, BAForever said:

 flooring shopping with Buddy,

Were my eyes deceiving me, or did she think that the room flooring she chose, coordinated somehow with the black (?) tile for the bathroom? The flooring didn't appear to have any black in it to at least pick up the black tile color, and the black tile didn't seem to be in the same tonal family as the flooring.

[LuvMyShows]

 

On 8/23/2024 at 2:33 PM, lightninggirl said:

Whitney doesn't want to lose weight, even though she claims to. She doesn't have the drive or the commitment to lose weight. 

And I think this is why she fears developing an eating disorder. I think she knows that she doesn't have the patience or will power to develop healthy eating and exercise habits, and stick with them.  That's why I think she does crazy diets and other things, to basically white-knuckle through something very unpleasant until she loses the weight, and then she thinks she can just go back to doing whatever she wants to do after that...which will inevitably lead to gaining it back, since she will not have developed/adopted any healthy patterns and strategies. 

[Dibs]

I really, REALLY don't believe Whit has a flesh-and-blood boyfriend who's just dying to have children with her hidden away somewhere, but points for imagination and optimism!

[Mollywolly555]

On 8/25/2024 at 8:10 PM, SunnyBeBe said:

Whit’s morbid obesity is quite a mystery.  It doesn’t appear to run in her family and it doesn’t appear there was an environment that fostered it, based on old videos and stories about her growing up.  Often people who are so hardwired for large quantities of food developed it as a child or teen.  I actually don’t think I’ve ever known anyone who developed a gain like she did.  

She moved to Korea? Or the Phillipines? for 5 years to teach English and had a BF whose fetish was feeding her or watching her eat. 

When she got off the plane to come home after that time,  her parents were shocked and didn't even recognize her. 

[LuvMyShows]

I really wonder how the thing about Tal bringing up the weight, really went down. When the producers were coming up with show ideas, did they say "Someone should get real with Whitney about her weight. Which of the cast should it be?" And then they told Whitney who would be bringing this up to her.  Or did Tal on his own decide to tell her that, and she didn't know he would be saying it? Or did Whitney decide to go on Wegovy/Ozempic, so she approached the producers and they together decided to back-fill on the show, to help provide cover so her HAES acolytes won't murder her?

Knowing that the scenes were filmed many months before her talking-head narration, it doesn't look like she's lost any weight in the narration.

[LuvMyShows]

9 hours ago, Mollywolly555 said:

She moved to Korea? Or the Phillipines? for 5 years to teach English and had a BF whose fetish was feeding her or watching her eat. 

When she got off the plane to come home after that time,  her parents were shocked and didn't even recognize her. 

I have her book (don't judge me!) and went to see if I could find anything about this. To summarize in brief: Whitney gained 50 pounds her first semester at college, and it appears to have been from bad eating habits, which persisted through college and afterward, so her weight just kept going up. I didn't find anything particularly unusual in what she described...just her usual patterns. There was nothing sudden or unexplained. She did get diagnosed with PCOS in college, but she also was eating a lot of pizza, so it's not like there was a sudden unexplained weight gain, even with the PCOS diagnosis. She didn't mention anything weird about the guy she moved to Korea with (Eric), and I didn't see anything about her parents not recognizing her when she came home, and IIRC, she had already come home at least once during her time in Korea (and maybe her parents had visited her in Korea).

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1 hour ago, LuvMyShows said:

I have her book (don't judge me!) and went to see if I could find anything about this. To summarize in brief: Whitney gained 50 pounds her first semester at college, and it appears to have been from bad eating habits, which persisted through college and afterward, so her weight just kept going up. I didn't find anything particularly unusual in what she described...just her usual patterns. There was nothing sudden or unexplained. She did get diagnosed with PCOS in college, but she also was eating a lot of pizza, so it's not like there was a sudden unexplained weight gain, even with the PCOS diagnosis. She didn't mention anything weird about the guy she moved to Korea with (Eric), and I didn't see anything about her parents not recognizing her when she came home, and IIRC, she had already come home at least once during her time in Korea (and maybe her parents had visited her in Korea).

I mean, the Freshman 15 is a real thing so I can see how her weight gain could have started then...

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17 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:

I have her book (don't judge me!) and went to see if I could find anything about this. To summarize in brief: Whitney gained 50 pounds her first semester at college, and it appears to have been from bad eating habits, which persisted through college and afterward, so her weight just kept going up. I didn't find anything particularly unusual in what she described...just her usual patterns. There was nothing sudden or unexplained. She did get diagnosed with PCOS in college, but she also was eating a lot of pizza, so it's not like there was a sudden unexplained weight gain, even with the PCOS diagnosis. She didn't mention anything weird about the guy she moved to Korea with (Eric), and I didn't see anything about her parents not recognizing her when she came home, and IIRC, she had already come home at least once during her time in Korea (and maybe her parents had visited her in Korea).

Speaking for myself, when I was in college I could have eaten pizza and ice cream EVERY DAY and never shot up in weight like that. I didn't even experience any kind of "freshman 15" in spite of constant White Castles, deli sandwiches, cannolis from Arthur Ave., cheese omelets, french fries, pizza, McDonald's, Jahn's ice cream parlor, you name it. And I was 5'2" and 100 lbs. soaking wet! So I do think one's personal metabolism factors into their weight in a very big way. 

I met my husband when I was in college and he had a weight issue and could not even eat what my friends and I ate without being overweight. And it bothered him a lot because he knew what we were eating vs. what he was eating and it was definitely not fair to him.

So I don't engage in conversations about what is "reasonable" to gain or not gain based on what one eats and the medical community is now realizing that it's ALL about one's metabolism, hormones and medical issues. I'm not saying there are people that eat too much but how much is too much? I ate at least 4 times what I eat now (not to mention how much less healthy my diet was) than when I was young and was very thin so who gets to say what is "too much" for any specific person?

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I just watched the "Extra Fabulous" version of this and in the scene where Jessica comes in with a platter of chicken roll-up sandwiches I thought they looked exactly like the ones sold at Costco that I buy all the time, except she put them on a plate with plastic wrap over them. Then Whitney referred to them as "pinwheels". Now they are not specifically referred to as pinwheels on the box and I know they can be called that, but I have been calling them that myself forever so it amused me to see her use the same word for them.

OK well it amused me, anyway. Carry on! 😉

[Dibs]

On 8/28/2024 at 4:38 PM, LuvMyShows said:

When the producers were coming up with show ideas, did they say "Someone should get real with Whitney about her weight. Which of the cast should it be?" And then they told Whitney who would be bringing this up to her.  Or did Tal on his own decide to tell her that, and she didn't know he would be saying it? Or did Whitney decide to go on Wegovy/Ozempic, so she approached the producers and they together decided to back-fill on the show, to help provide cover so her HAES acolytes won't murder her?

She's now a "consulting producer" for the show so, yeah, she's been taking Ozempic/Wegovy and has to come up with some cover story for the weight she's lost if she doesn't want to admit to it, as so many celebrities (and regular people) seem reluctant to.  She's not wrong about the hanging, loose skin, though; that will be an issue if she continues to lose at her age.

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2 hours ago, Dibs said:

 She's not wrong about the hanging, loose skin, though; that will be an issue if she continues to lose at her age.

I liked that show Skin Tight. So, I’d definitely watch her transformation from weight loss & skin surgery. She’s lucky in that she can afford to get those surgeries. The normies’ health insurance would laugh like hyenas if asked to cover it. Plus, she won’t miss work or have to worry about paying for caregivers or childcare etc. she should go for it. 

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3 hours ago, Pi237 said:

I liked that show Skin Tight. So, I’d definitely watch her transformation from weight loss & skin surgery. She’s lucky in that she can afford to get those surgeries. The normies’ health insurance would laugh like hyenas if asked to cover it. Plus, she won’t miss work or have to worry about paying for caregivers or childcare etc. she should go for it. 

I think the skin surgery after weight loss is often covered by insurance. The skin chafes and becomes infected really easily so it's a medical issue as well as a cosmetic one. 

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9 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

I think the skin surgery after weight loss is often covered by insurance. The skin chafes and becomes infected really easily so it's a medical issue as well as a cosmetic one. 

Not usually, as I understand it.  A friend had to raise funds to pay for it after WLS, and it's one reason people submit themselves to Dr. Now...

I "need" to lose 20-30 pounds to reach my ideal BMI but, at age 65, I know I've lost my elasticity and that would present a problem for me, as well.  I'd be content to lose just 10; that would be manageable.

Edited August 31 by Dibs

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16 hours ago, Dibs said:

She's now a "consulting producer" for the show so, yeah, she's been taking Ozempic/Wegovy and has to come up with some cover story for the weight she's lost if she doesn't want to admit to it, as so many celebrities (and regular people) seem reluctant to.  She's not wrong about the hanging, loose skin, though; that will be an issue if she continues to lose at her age.

Oh I was repeating myself silly saying that all last season and earlier this season. She lost just about the amount of weight common to lose on those drugs. She would be the perfect candidate for it plus she has the money to afford it since most insurance won't cover it and it's hella expensive. I think she doesn't want to admit it publicly because she wants to avoid criticism for it from people against using diabetes drugs for weight loss and because there are always people ready to criticize anyone for not losing weight "naturally".

There are ways to prevent loose skin even after 40 such as losing weight slowly (1-2 lbs. per week), taking collagen, exercising, esp. strength training, etc. It also depends on your skin's natural elasticity. The hanging flesh is a bigger problem with rapid weight loss from bariatric surgery. She seems to have taken a break from losing weight. Perhaps she's doing that in part to help minimize the skin issue. 

[Dibs]

Skin naturally loses its elasticity with age regardless of weight loss.  Hence...Wrinkles.  Don't think there's anything you can do about it.