Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar

[Salacious Kitty]

Jinger has raised her standards since then. 😀

[all fall down]

I can't read (or hear) tracts of land without thinking of Monty Python and the Holy Grail. 

It would be nice if JB shares some of that profit with the kids, but they won't see it until he dies, if even then. 

 

 

[GeeGolly]

4 hours ago, merylinkid said:

Well Jim Bob and Michelle have a nice retirement all set up I see.   The money to originally buy the land came from exploiting their kids but they will never see a dime of profit.

It would be interesting to know the date they purchased the land and line it up with where they were in kid count and season of the show.

[Heathen]

I read that article on Yahoo yesterday. Jim Bob and Michelle may be awful parents, not to mention bible-beating bigots, but they did have a work ethic once upon a time and they did make sound business decisions. 

[EmeraldGirl]

Well, just for that deal alone all 19 kids would inherit over $250,000. But I’m sure there are many more millions somewhere that they are going to have to play with.

[merylinkid]

11 hours ago, EmeraldGirl said:

Well, just for that deal alone all 19 kids would inherit over $250,000. But I’m sure there are many more millions somewhere that they are going to have to play with.

Depends on what the Will says.   I would not put it past JB to give it all to the Felon as the "eldest son" and the rest of the kids get nothing.   

[StPatricksDay]

Based on this article about long term capital gains on real estate:

https://smartasset.com/taxes/avoid-capital-gains-taxes-on-land-sale

$4,700,000 - 600,000 = $4,100,000. For easy math take off $100,000 for closing costs/any improvements done to the land. 

The tax on the 4 million gain is either 15% (600,000) or 20% (800,000) depending on seller's income.

[Article details ways to minimize or defer this. ]

4.7 million - 600.000 = 4,100,000.  Divide by 19 =  215,789 per kid.

4.7 million - 800,000 = 3,900,000.  Divide by 19 = 205,263 per kid.

The 2025 amount you can gift a child tax free is $19,000 a year. You can also gift his/her spouse the same amount tax free.

Nothing to sneeze at but illustrates why even Rockefeller descendants have jobs.

[Albanyguy]

1 hour ago, merylinkid said:

Depends on what the Will says.   I would not put it past JB to give it all to the Felon as the "eldest son" and the rest of the kids get nothing.   

I could very easily see that happening. I’m also sure that, despite all the lip service paid to women living under male authority, Michelle has made sure that she will have a huge amount of control over JB’s estate if he dies first. Money is power and Michelle has no intention of spending her golden years doing her daughter-in-law’s laundry.

Edited April 4 by Albanyguy

[lookeyloo]

49 minutes ago, Albanyguy said:

I could very easily see that happening. I’m also sure that, despite all the lip service paid to women living under male authority, Michelle has made sure that she will have a huge amount of control over JB’s estate if he dies first. Money is power and Michelle has no intention of spending her golden years doing her daughter-in-law’s laundry.

Wondering if Michelle is the brains/power behind all of this, but in her way making JB think it is all him.  And then, wondering if who goes first will show how much if any which kid gets what.  I can see a scenario where favored ones get more.  Case in point.  Father in law told me to my face he didn't include me in his will because he "doesn't want my money going to your line".  I had kids before Mr lookeyloo and I were married.  Funny thing is, I never needed, wanted, asked for, counted on any $$ from him but still thought he thought of me as family after over 40 years of marriage.  But, alas, no.  That part was more hurtful than no $$ I didn't want/care about/look for, etc.  Anyway, this is very possible I am thinking with the Duggars. As in who still follows Gothard - bonus.  Dillards, zero.  Plus a trust for Anna with a trustee who will dole out $ to her based on their approval of what it is for.  Thoughts?

PS Father in law is paying for private school for his caregiver's son (which I think is wonderful.  He is a disadvantaged youth) and is leaving caregiver a hefty sum.  But, she apparently means more to him than I do.  Hurtful.  Tolerable.  Slightly off topic, but, relates to what I'm wondering about the JB/Michelle estate.

Edited April 4 by lookeyloo
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[Minivanessa]

I assume JB would hate the idea of having his estate go through probate, which is why I think he and Meech have their major assets in one or more trusts. I'm not at all expert in that area (bored me to tears in law school and still does), but they can be set up in any number of ways. It's possible that if the significant marital assets are in a trust, the surviving spouse just gets it all when the first spouse dies.

[StPatricksDay]

I think if he skipped Jill and Derick he would give directly to their children.

[Absolom]

I don't think the kids will see more than "gifts" that the parents see fit to dole out until both parents are gone.  They're both on the controlling end of the scale and it's a very normal way of doing things. 

[GeeGolly]

Seeing as JB&M are not yet 60, there is no telling how much money they'll have left when they go. They could live another 30 or 40 years.

[merylinkid]

Oh my post was on the presumption that JB and Michelle have mutual Wills -- first one to go, the other gets everything.   (and anything titled with rights of survivorship passes OUTSIDE the estate, same with life insurance/IRA, goes to beneficiary).    Then they have provisions in their Wills for what happens after both are gone.    

So JB goes first, Michelle gets everything , then it passes to how they decided it should be distributed to the kids, and vice versa.

Of course, nothing prevents the survivor from changing their Will after the first one goes.

[Zella]

Per Washington County property records, the land purchases for Jim Bob were fairly recent, from 2021 and up, via his Shiloh Properties LLC. Jim Bob and Michelle also have a revocable trust, again per how their land appears in online property records.  

[EmeraldGirl]

6 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Seeing as JB&M are not yet 60, there is no telling how much money they'll have left when they go. They could live another 30 or 40 years.

I think Jim Bob is still very frugal. You don’t see any of the remaining children (or them) wearing anything beyond Walmart looking clothes. And he has always been big into buying cars at auction. Except for their few vacations, and there haven’t been that many, they don’t seem to spend money anywhere. Plus, we don’t know how many millions they have already pocketed in all these years. I think they’ll be just fine even if they live to be 100.

It’s hard to believe that they’re still that young, in my mind anyway because they've been around forever. And all those many grandchildren. I feel like they should be about 75. Ha. 

[lookeyloo]

Don't exactly know where to  put this and can't remember if we have already discussed, but I am halfway through listening to 

A Well-Trained Wife by Tia Levings.  Well, I am horrified and wonder how much of this the Duggars got into and no wonder the kids are way they are.

[Salacious Kitty]

At least JB didn't physically abuse Michelle or verbally abuse her in front of the kids. 

That we know of. 

[lookeyloo]

5 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

At least JB didn't physically abuse Michelle or verbally abuse her in front of the kids. 

That we know of. 

That we know of. Exactly

[Salacious Kitty]

I do think JB has yelled at Michelle behind closed doors. He's admitted to having a temper. He probably yelled at the kids, too. But Meech disciplined the kids with her eerie whispering. 

I imagine the kids were comforted by their sister moms after discipline. I believe they were trained not to cry, but I bet Jana, Jill, Jessa, and Jinger wiped away some tears. 

[lookeyloo]

8 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I do think JB has yelled at Michelle behind closed doors. He's admitted to having a temper. He probably yelled at the kids, too. But Meech disciplined the kids with her eerie whispering. 

I imagine the kids were comforted by their sister moms after discipline. I believe they were trained not to cry, but I bet Jana, Jill, Jessa, and Jinger wiped away some tears. 

Jinger has spoken about her living in fear of displeasing god.  Jill seems paralyzed by normal life.  Jessa lives in her bubble.  And who knows about Jana - it took her a long time and even though her husband isn't Gothard, hard to know how that goes.  I think it is different for the boys being that they will be headships one day.  

[Salacious Kitty]

The pressure on those four oldest girls must have been immense. 

The boys were feral, and learned their trades by tagging along with JB. All of those boys got financial assistance to launch their businesses. No way they could do it on their own, like the Rod boys are forced to do. 

[CalicoKitty]

2 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

Don't exactly know where to  put this and can't remember if we have already discussed, but I am halfway through listening to 

A Well-Trained Wife by Tia Levings.  Well, I am horrified and wonder how much of this the Duggars got into and no wonder the kids are way they are.

It is horrifying, isn't it?  The husbands are trained to be "in charge" in all things, and the wives are trained to obey.  Sadly, there are many many families that follow this model of family life.  I know someone that couldn't  buy a much-needed winter coat (on sale) without her husband's permission.  And then she had to walk several blocks to the store because her husband wanted to go to another store (that was closer).  I hope writing this book was very cathartic for her.  The "training" must run very deep.  I'm pretty positive I would have left much sooner, but I have not been brainwashed.

[lookeyloo]

22 minutes ago, CalicoKitty said:

It is horrifying, isn't it?  The husbands are trained to be "in charge" in all things, and the wives are trained to obey.  Sadly, there are many many families that follow this model of family life.  I know someone that couldn't  buy a much-needed winter coat (on sale) without her husband's permission.  And then she had to walk several blocks to the store because her husband wanted to go to another store (that was closer).  I hope writing this book was very cathartic for her.  The "training" must run very deep.  I'm pretty positive I would have left much sooner, but I have not been brainwashed.

I am totally horrified.  I'm half through.  I wonder really about the Duggars and Bates.  they were sanitized for the TV.  And all the other unknown families and how those children of those unions are.  

[Absolom]

My next door neighbors used to be Southern Baptist and now go to an IFB church.  Her husband has denied her to buy new nail clippers for the cat so every couple weeks for about three years I loaned her the ones for the dog.  His most recent bit of nastiness as I posted elsewhere is denying her an implant for a molar that had to be removed because implants cost "too much."  I bet if he ever needs an implant he'll have a reason why he has to have it. 

They're everywhere to varying degrees.

[merylinkid]

15 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I do think JB has yelled at Michelle behind closed doors. He's admitted to having a temper. He probably yelled at the kids, too. But Meech disciplined the kids with her eerie whispering. 

I imagine the kids were comforted by their sister moms after discipline. I believe they were trained not to cry, but I bet Jana, Jill, Jessa, and Jinger wiped away some tears. 

Oh I am quite sure Michelle  yelled right back.   Remember JB's sister said on Shiny Happy People - she was a cheerleader, we know she can yell.

JB might act all "I am in charge" but Michelle is the real power in that house.  Remember who got Jill the contact she signed?   it was Michelle.   She wouldn't have done that if she thought JB would give her grief over it.   You know she said "I'm doing it, deal with it."  

[lookeyloo]

3 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

Oh I am quite sure Michelle  yelled right back.   Remember JB's sister said on Shiny Happy People - she was a cheerleader, we know she can yell.

JB might act all "I am in charge" but Michelle is the real power in that house.  Remember who got Jill the contact she signed?   it was Michelle.   She wouldn't have done that if she thought JB would give her grief over it.   You know she said "I'm doing it, deal with it."  

A consideration for sure. I wonder how JB felt/feels about losing his manly headship power then and how does he reconcile it.

[GeeGolly]

1 hour ago, lookeyloo said:

A consideration for sure. I wonder how JB felt/feels about losing his manly headship power then and how does he reconcile it.

I think Michelle was a master at making JB think everything was his idea and/or decision.

[ranchgirl]

I definitely believe that JB gaslighted Michelle.  He made her feel like she brought a lot of baggage into the marriage.  He gaslighted the kids too, always telling them that Michelle could have died giving birth to them etc.  The Bates kids seem much better off than the Duggars.  They also praise their mom and dad all the time.  Kelly did hand off the babies to the oldest sons and daughters, but I think she was more hands on.  Yes, they had "jurisdictions" but I think Kelly helped them more than Michelle did.  Zach has said on his cooking channel that his mom always helped them cook etc.  He's had Kelly on his channel, and she does seem to know a few recipes.  I'm not sure Michelle would.  But the Bates had more girls than the Duggars did so maybe that made a difference.  I know several of the married girls can't take a step without their husbands, but they are more secure in hobbies etc.  

[GeeGolly]

I truly believe Michelle loved it when JB talked about her baggage and JB did too. When he would tell her stories Modest Michelle quietly enjoyed everyone knowing she was a sexy cheerleader who mowed the lawn in Daisy Dukes and a bikini top. And JB absolutely peacocked because he snagged the sexy teenager.

Michelle's baggage was a win-win for them in addition to the Fundy win. A Duggar Fundy trifecta🤣.

[merylinkid]

Michelle never let sad sack JB forget she was the sexy cheerleader and he should be grateful she married him.  JB knowing deep down he's a loser (hence his attraction to a religion that puts him in charge) lets her run things in actuality while he's just the face of things.

[andromeda331]

On 4/14/2025 at 10:35 AM, ranchgirl said:

I definitely believe that JB gaslighted Michelle.  He made her feel like she brought a lot of baggage into the marriage.  He gaslighted the kids too, always telling them that Michelle could have died giving birth to them etc.  The Bates kids seem much better off than the Duggars.  They also praise their mom and dad all the time.  Kelly did hand off the babies to the oldest sons and daughters, but I think she was more hands on.  Yes, they had "jurisdictions" but I think Kelly helped them more than Michelle did.  Zach has said on his cooking channel that his mom always helped them cook etc.  He's had Kelly on his channel, and she does seem to know a few recipes.  I'm not sure Michelle would.  But the Bates had more girls than the Duggars did so maybe that made a difference.  I know several of the married girls can't take a step without their husbands, but they are more secure in hobbies etc.  

Kelly's admitted to not being much of a cook. She laughed about never eating broccoli. All her daughter except maybe Michael were terrible cooks. Erin apparently was so bad the Duggar sisters gave her a cook book and gift cards for food when she got married. Erin learn to cook after marriage and got really good at it. I don't know if she still does. If you see Kelly in the kitchen on the show she never actually does anything. Her daughters do. She also conveniently gets out of Thanksgiving dinner by them going to Gil's parents where she does nothing to help prepare the dinner. She just as useless as Michelle.

On 4/14/2025 at 12:12 PM, GeeGolly said:

I truly believe Michelle loved it when JB talked about her baggage and JB did too. When he would tell her stories Modest Michelle quietly enjoyed everyone knowing she was a sexy cheerleader who mowed the lawn in Daisy Dukes and a bikini top. And JB absolutely peacocked because he snagged the sexy teenager.

Michelle's baggage was a win-win for them in addition to the Fundy win. A Duggar Fundy trifecta🤣.

So do I. I think she loved to brag about being a cheerleader and so hot that she broke up a marriage given how much she talked about it.