S09.E21: Secrets Revealed

[lunastartron]

You know, as inane as her chosen revenge storyline proved to be in season 8, I hope we get to see Lauri in some recurring appearances next year. She's by far my favorite of the OGs. She's a terrible person in her own unique way, but I always enjoyed that she was relatively transparent about being a hustler for those who cared to consider her analytically. And respect to a gold-digger who recovers from being off-loaded at 48 by nabbing an equally wealthy meal ticket. I assume she wasn't offered a full-time position when she returned because she didn't want to film with her family/wanted to ensure she controlled the "Brady Bunch" narrative.

[zoeysmom]

Laurie is so dumb. For her to even try to trot out the defense that she was just looking out for Vicki is silly. Besides, that wasn't why Vicki was ultimately mad at Laurie. It was the other stuff Laurie was saying about Vicki that pissed her off.

Tamra should keep her mouth shut. She cannot win by reminding folks that she was right about Brooks and that Vicki is silly, stupid, and wrong. Regardless, I do think there are times when these people are just human and I can understand the need to poke (although I hope I wouldn't) a little bit. Vicki just sat on a stage a couple of months ago and said Brooks was wonderful, that he wouldn't hurt her, that she loved him and he made her happy. She yelled at Tamra when she said that he wasn't good enough for Vicki. It would be hard to not point this out.

The thing is Vicki was aware of Brooks' behavior-it just doesn't bother he as much as it bothers Tamra.  No one disputes Tamra has a right to an opinion, or the right to be right about Brooks (I mean eventually Brooks and Vicki will break up and Tamra will be absolutely, positively RIGHT), what Vicki is saying and I concur-"if you are my friend do not publicly express your opinion to me or anyone else about Brooks."  Just as likely is when Eddie and Tamra split up she won't want to hear how Vicki was right-there is somebody better out there for Eddie.

[Higgins]

Perhaps. But if you are being an asshole to an asshole regarding another asshole, does it get cancelled out?

Nope.

[motorcitymom65]

The thing is Vicki was aware of Brooks' behavior-it just doesn't bother he as much as it bothers Tamra.  No one disputes Tamra has a right to an opinion, or the right to be right about Brooks (I mean eventually Brooks and Vicki will break up and Tamra will be absolutely, positively RIGHT), what Vicki is saying and I concur-"if you are my friend do not publicly express your opinion to me or anyone else about Brooks."  Just as likely is when Eddie and Tamra split up she won't want to hear how Vicki was right-there is somebody better out there for Eddie.

I find it possible to believe that his behavior doesn't bother Vicki as much as it bothers Tamra. Vicki will say she was duped. That she was in love and didn't see him for who he was. She went bat shit crazy at the notion that Brooks was seeing a gal (even socially) that did porn movies last season. Do you honestly believe she is fine with learning he pays hookers? I don't believe it for a second.

Again, it's all part of Vicki's hypocrisy. I think that you have pointed out today the role and some of the shit that Vicki said/did about Simon during Tamra's marriage. She certainly never kept her opinion to herself either on the show or in her blogs. She had tons of shit to say about Simon, and he was Tamra's husband and the father of her kids, not some Grifter who was looking for a tight vagina and free dental work. Simon was ridiculous for blaming Vicki for breaking up his marriage, but Vicki was all involved in their saga from the very beginning. For her to be at all offended because Tamra expresses the same concerns about Brooks as pretty much every single person in America is just Vicki being the terrible person that she is.

[Higgins]

Yes, but Tamra invited Vicki's opinion of Simon and in fact, created it.

[jinjer]

We saw Heather interact with her kids as much as anyone. Saw the deal with the puppies, which looked like good times to me. Saw the kids get all excited because there would be a chef and therefore edible food (her kids were adorable in their enthusiasm), saw them watch Heather's show, saw them making some type of a holiday treat for Valentine's Day at school, saw the Holiday pictures. It doesn't seem like she doesn't film with them or hides them. Bravo decides what we see.

You're right - somehow they slipped my mind.  I just don't see Heather as a mom.  I don't know why.  Everything she does to me seems staged/scripted - I love how Terry blows all her explanations for her decisions _"You know I am allergic"  "You know how we were talking about this being around the anniversary of our first date..."

 

Her kids do seem pretty typical.  Even if they claim Coco is a bitch, she doesn't seem to be anything but an ordinary child.

[motorcitymom65]

You're right - somehow they slipped my mind.  I just don't see Heather as a mom.  I don't know why.  Everything she does to me seems staged/scripted - I love how Terry blows all her explanations for her decisions _"You know I am allergic"  "You know how we were talking about this being around the anniversary of our first date..."

 

Her kids do seem pretty typical.  Even if they claim Coco is a bitch, she doesn't seem to be anything but an ordinary child.

I think monitoring how/when their kids are filmed must be a challenge for all of these gals. I struggle with how I feel about the kids being on the show at all. I admired Adrienne before I ever even saw an episode of the BH show because she said that her kids wouldn't really be part of the show. She felt like they didn't sign up for it and they shouldn't have to suffer any intrusion because of a decision she had made. At the same time, I think there are other women that do a very good job of allowing us a glimpse of their kids and their parenting style, while still respecting some boundaries. I personally think that Heather on the NY show, Kyle, Shannon, and even Heather on this show do a pretty good job of showing us the good and the bad. We don't just see their kids behaving like robots and sticking to a script. We have also seen little meltdowns and the parents behaving in less than perfect ways and saying things that parents often regret saying, which is real life at the end of the day. At the same time, I feel bad for the gals that don't get to show themselves as a parent, because I do feel like it puts them in a bit of a box, even if I detest them, as is the case with Brandi and Tamra. They have to have a story, they have to be someone on the show. When a huge part of who you are is taken away from you on the show, you are at a disadvantage to an extent.  I remember an episode of the BH show last season where pretty much every gal (minus Brandi) was shown in a scene with their kids. It was interesting on the blogs and on TWoP later, as many people mentioned that regardless of how they felt about a particular gal, everyone was much more likable when we saw them with their kids. It softens them somehow, but I can imagine it is a struggle to find the right balance. 

[zoeysmom]

I find it possible to believe that his behavior doesn't bother Vicki as much as it bothers Tamra. Vicki will say she was duped. That she was in love and didn't see him for who he was. She went bat shit crazy at the notion that Brooks was seeing a gal (even socially) that did porn movies last season. Do you honestly believe she is fine with learning he pays hookers? I don't believe it for a second.

Again, it's all part of Vicki's hypocrisy. I think that you have pointed out today the role and some of the shit that Vicki said/did about Simon during Tamra's marriage. She certainly never kept her opinion to herself either on the show or in her blogs. She had tons of shit to say about Simon, and he was Tamra's husband and the father of her kids, not some Grifter who was looking for a tight vagina and free dental work. Simon was ridiculous for blaming Vicki for breaking up his marriage, but Vicki was all involved in their saga from the very beginning. For her to be at all offended because Tamra expresses the same concerns about Brooks as pretty much every single person in America is just Vicki being the terrible person that she is.

Honestly, after hearing about Donn have a girlfriend through out the marriage to Vicki, Vicki admitting to infidelity during her marriages I don't think Vicki has really high standards in the monogamy department. I doubt she will ever admit to being duped anymore than Brooks will admit to being taken in by Vicki's fame and fortune. Vicki did involve herself in Tamra's marriage and made a big deal over Simon vs. Donn-all the while she is screwing around with Brooks. She did the same thing with Alexis and Jim, as did Tamra and at the end of the day both Tamra and Vicki kind of had to retract their earlier statements about what a bad, controlling husband Jim is/was.. Vicki also said her vow renewal was so special the season it was performed.  Next season -it was all fake and she and Donn didn't even bang. 

 

I have had a policy with listening to other people's marital/relationship woes for 20 years.  I am happy to listen to your gripes, concerns and feelings about him or her but if and when you get back together do not kick me to the curb because you are embarrassed or feel guilty about what you told me.  In return I never mention to the errant partner what was discussed between the two of us.  Zoey's dad and I are living through such a situation with a neighbor and friend. 

 

Do I think Vicki is a terrible person- not really but I don't find her terribly honest either.