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So, some spoilers about tonight's episode which is just finishing.

It looks like the spoilers for this episode were completely wrong. Not only was it not true about it still being pre-jury, none of the rumoured players went.

So looks like we might get some shuffling in who goes when. I assume the endgame is still locked in place, but the next four-five placements are going to be up in the air.

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10 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

So, some spoilers about tonight's episode which is just finishing.

It looks like the spoilers for this episode were completely wrong. Not only was it not true about it still being pre-merge, none of the rumoured players went.

So looks like we might get some shuffling in who goes when. I assume the endgame is still locked in place, but the next four-five placements are going to be up in the air.

Just coming here to post.  I am curious going forward if the final 5 ends up the way it does.  I believe that Carson/Carolyn/Yam Yam are in the final 4 (I noticed tonight there's some things being said about Yam Yam that are probably going to build up his winner's arc).  I am questioning if Danny ends up finishing in 5th, and sort of questioning if Heidi maybe wasn't mixed up with Jamie or even Lauren as being the 3rd finalist.  For next week's preview, Danny and Frannie talk about making a big move and Danny says he wants someone from Ratu out.  Could happen, but that could also be misdirection.  And since Danny's idol is known to everyone now (or almost everyone) he could get blindsided.  Also, there's supposed to be 7 jurors per the spoiler source, but Jeff said tonight that Matt is on the jury.  So unless there's a stupid juror removal twist again (I won't put it past this season) then there will be 8 jurors.  In addition, Yam Yam may not want to work with Soka and decide to bring the remaining Ratu members into the Tika fold.  Carson and Kane seem to have a decent bond together.  And Carolyn and Yam Yam may trust Lauren/Brandon/Jamie more.  So yeah, I'm curious if going forward if things still pan out the way they are supposed to.

ETA: so I watched next week's preview again, and there's a VO from Brandon saying they are dictating this game (with a shot of him and Kane laughing).  So maybe the remaining spoilers do hold up, and Ratu gets semi-picked off.  I think tonight they came across as over confident and arrogant, so that might be leading to their downfall.

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3 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

Just coming here to post.  I am curious going forward if the final 5 ends up the way it does.  I believe that Carson/Carolyn/Yam Yam are in the final 4 (I noticed tonight there's some things being said about Yam Yam that are probably going to build up his winner's arc).  I am questioning if Danny ends up finishing in 5th, and sort of questioning if Heidi maybe wasn't mixed up with Jamie or even Lauren as being the 3rd finalist.  For next week's preview, Danny and Frannie talk about making a big move and Danny says he wants someone from Ratu out.  Could happen, but that could also be misdirection.  And since Danny's idol is known to everyone now (or almost everyone) he could get blindsided.  Also, there's supposed to be 7 jurors per the spoiler source, but Jeff said tonight that Matt is on the jury.  So unless there's a stupid juror removal twist again (I won't put it past this season) then there will be 8 jurors.  In addition, Yam Yam may not want to work with Soka and decide to bring the remaining Ratu members into the Tika fold.  Carson and Kane seem to have a decent bond together.  And Carolyn and Yam Yam may trust Lauren/Brandon/Jamie more.  So yeah, I'm curious if going forward if things still pan out the way they are supposed to.

ETA: so I watched next week's preview again, and there's a VO from Brandon saying they are dictating this game (with a shot of him and Kane laughing).  So maybe the remaining spoilers do hold up, and Ratu gets semi-picked off.  I think tonight they came across as over confident and arrogant, so that might be leading to their downfall.

Maybe there is another medical evacuation. That could drop jury down to 7.

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Per Sucks/Reddit, the IC will be run in teams of two for this week.  The teams are Danny/Lauren, Frannie/Yam Yam, Carson/Carolyn, Jamie/Heidi, Brandon/Kane.  In a promo shot it's believed Lauren has the necklace around her neck (it's not 100% clear if that's the case).  It's also unclear whether Danny has immunity, too, or if this is one of those challenges where they run in teams and then the final part of the challenge whatever team is left standing they compete individually.

Carolyn, Carson, Yam Yam, Jamie, Frannie, and Heidi don't have immunity.

From the previews and last week's episode, it seems like Ratu is overconfident in their position, Soka wants to target someone from Ratu this coming week, and Carson said that Tika would be the deciding factor over Soka or Ratu going forward.  I do think a Ratu member could get targeted this week.  If the spoiled final 5 stays true, then Danny and Heidi are safe, and that would leave Frannie as the only vulnerable Soka member.    

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23 minutes ago, LadyChatts said:

Per Sucks/Reddit, the IC will be run in teams of two for this week.  The teams are Danny/Lauren, Frannie/Yam Yam, Carson/Carolyn, Jamie/Heidi, Brandon/Kane.  In a promo shot it's believed Lauren has the necklace around her neck (it's not 100% clear if that's the case).  It's also unclear whether Danny has immunity, too, or if this is one of those challenges where they run in teams and then the final part of the challenge whatever team is left standing they compete individually.

Carolyn, Carson, Yam Yam, Jamie, Frannie, and Heidi don't have immunity.

From the previews and last week's episode, it seems like Ratu is overconfident in their position, Soka wants to target someone from Ratu this coming week, and Carson said that Tika would be the deciding factor over Soka or Ratu going forward.  I do think a Ratu member could get targeted this week.  If the spoiled final 5 stays true, then Danny and Heidi are safe, and that would leave Frannie as the only vulnerable Soka member.    

Danny was never actually spoiled to be in 5th

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28 minutes ago, anthonyd46 said:

Danny was never actually spoiled to be in 5th

I thought he was spoiled by the 4242?  Him making it to 5th never made a lot of sense to me, so if that proved wrong I wouldn't be surprised.  So is the only thing that's really set in stone is that Carson, Carolyn, and Yam Yam all make the final 4, Carson goes out in fire, and Yam Yam wins?  

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1 hour ago, LadyChatts said:

I thought he was spoiled by the 4242?  Him making it to 5th never made a lot of sense to me, so if that proved wrong I wouldn't be surprised.  So is the only thing that's really set in stone is that Carson, Carolyn, and Yam Yam all make the final 4, Carson goes out in fire, and Yam Yam wins?  

Yea before 4242 gave the order or YY heidi Carolyn Carson someone posted heidi 5th Danny 2nd and Carolyn 4th and he replied "no very wrong order only YY is right"

So some assumed cause he said "wrong order" that the people were correct but he never said all 5 people are correct.

Considering 5th lately is like the fallen warrior someone like Frannie would fit more if she went on an immunity run plus her alliance is really the only other main storyline of the season that is not tika.

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17 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

It's also unclear whether Danny has immunity, too, or if this is one of those challenges where they run in teams and then the final part of the challenge whatever team is left standing they compete individually.

It's likely they're repeating the thirty minute three part immunity challenge from last season (imo one of the worst episodes of the new era) so I think it'll be one person winning.

Though maybe Jeff really wants multiple immunity wins this season so Danny could win too. 

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20 hours ago, anthonyd46 said:

Yea before 4242 gave the order or YY heidi Carolyn Carson someone posted heidi 5th Danny 2nd and Carolyn 4th and he replied "no very wrong order only YY is right"

So some assumed cause he said "wrong order" that the people were correct but he never said all 5 people are correct.

Considering 5th lately is like the fallen warrior someone like Frannie would fit more if she went on an immunity run plus her alliance is really the only other main storyline of the season that is not tika.

Okay, good to know.  As I said, Danny going in 5th place never made sense to me, especially recently with him being targeted for a blindside, and after his bro-down with Brandon in front of Carolyn.  I figured he'd have to go on an immunity run and play his idol to make it that far.  I know Claire said in one of her exit interviews that Heidi was tied to Danny and would do what he wanted (in reference to her vote off) so I thought maybe that was a reason, too, if Heidi made it to the final 3.

I actually wonder if Kane could get the fallen warrior exit in 5th.  I guess we'll see after this week and how the vote goes down.  If they aren't immune, I really think it could be Brandon or Danny that leave.

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Yeah, so last night's episode was really the proof on why Carolyn loses in the end. They really added a lot of evidence on why she can't win.

Nobody takes her seriously, people consider Yam Yam the mastermind, she's left out on vital game conversations and is only brought in when Yam Yam or Carson are around, etc. 

And her edit has gotten quieter the last couple of episodes while Yam Yam's has risen. His edit is now similar to Maryanne's, where he gets plenty to say, whether it's game talk or not.

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2 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

Yeah, so last night's episode was really the proof on why Carolyn loses in the end. They really added a lot of evidence on why she can't win.

Nobody takes her seriously, people consider Yam Yam the mastermind, she's left out on vital game conversations and is only brought in when Yam Yam or Carson are around, etc. 

And her edit has gotten quieter the last couple of episodes while Yam Yam's has risen. His edit is now similar to Maryanne's, where he gets plenty to say, whether it's game talk or not.

Yam Yam got several remarks last night about being a mastermind and Carolyn just being his #2 (that really annoys me she's so easily dismissed) so yeah, I can see where his winners arc is being built.  I figured it would happen after the merge if it was going to happen.  Plus, Tika is being underestimated, yet they are still seen as valuable between the two competing alliances of Soka and Ratu.  The exit interviews are telling in that people didn't realize how well Carolyn was playing the game, and some have said no one knew how to take her out there.  While I can see why production might love this season (especially after last season), I'm not super crazy about it yet.  And a Yam Yam win isn't exactly making me excited, either.  I don't dislike him, but don't really care for him, either.  I am glad that Carolyn has gotten a good edit and has been shown that she's playing the game as more than Yam Yam's little sidekick, even if no one sees it out there. 

Kane's comment last night about Ratu screwing it up if one of them doesn't win I think is foreshadowing that they are all out before the final 3.  I think it's possible that he or Lauren are next.  I know in the previews that Carolyn wants Danny gone, but I'm going to guess that's misdirect and Yam Yam gets his way of going after someone who wrote his name down.  Kane had written his name down in the TC where Josh went, but I think Lauren is still seen as a threat, so I could see her going.

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So tonight seems to further solidify a Yam Yam win.  I also think there's foreshadowing to Frannie's argument about Tika going to the end by playing the middle (and Danny may regret not thinking they are a threat).  If final 4 plays out like it should (3 Tika and Heidi) then I wonder if Heidi jumps ship on her former Soka members and aligns with Tika.  In the preview for next week, she said she's close with Danny but that she's there to play the game.  I thought it was Frannie who said the era of alliances is over in the preview, but someone else thinks it was Jamie that said that (which might actually make more sense) so maybe Jamie also jumps ship from Lauren and tries to wedge in with Tika and Soka.  I also feel like Heidi, along with others, is getting an edit that know what's going on and calling the shots, but really aren't as clued in or in control as they believe.  Carolyn is looking even more like Yam Yam's side kick, especially because he got his way with the Kane vote.  She also said tonight that she wants people to know how not to take her and think she is just having fun, so I think this is going to hurt her in any jury argument.  Carson could very well go to bat for Yam Yam in the jury if he's out in fire at 4th like the rumor says.  

Truthfully, I don't see Yam Yam as being a very appealing winner.  He does seem well liked on Twitter and I don't know overall how fans feel, but for me anyway, I think Carolyn would get a better reception if she won.  I am glad that both her and Frannie are getting the edits of being more clued in and aware than their tribemates are giving them credit for.  In addition, Lauren talked about wanting to split the previous vote and everyone was onboard but Brandon, which is probably going to end up costing Ratu.  But I'm glad that the women are doing well from a strategic stand point and getting the edit for it, even if the men think they know best.  I really hope Danny goes out in a big old blindside.

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I think, overall, fans LOVE Yam Yam so they'll love the endgame but yeah, Yam Yam feels a little bit like another Gabler win, except better explained. To the edit's credit, they ARE doing a much better job at showing how Yam Yam wins so I can't be angry at that (and it's why 44 will be higher than 43 for me), but Yam Yam winning isn't as exciting as I thought it would be early on. 

I think my annoyance is due to how Carolyn can't seem to get people to take her seriously. I admit a lot of that IS on her and she needs to not be laying low and fighting for what she wants, but it also sucks because you can see that her initial personality pushes people away and that people will always initially see her as a joke, which adds a bias in perception. Carolyn isn't be thought of as a target because I truly believe everyone sees her as a goat to take to the end. I get, in my brain, that logically it makes sense as to why she loses. In my heart, however, it's tough to watch each exit interview basically say how they didn't think Carolyn was really playing the game. 

It sucks more and more to know Carolyn gets no votes at the end to win. The show has edited her to be a favourite and they're gonna get people pissed off, even if they love the Yam Yam win. 

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I was wondering if the part about her getting no votes was true but I guess I can see it.  Seeing her bond with Frannie last night gave me a little hope that maybe that would be a vote for Carolyn.  But if Heidi’s in the F3 then I think she might get some, if not all, of the Soka jurors.  Something else I thought of was last night, before the vote, someone told Kane that Carolyn was solid and he didn’t need to worry.  It was interesting that they showed that because I think this will further be a reason as to why Carolyn loses.  I will say that I’m glad, in some post-show interviews, some contestants are giving her credit for her game after seeing it.  But they also have said they didn’t know how to take her out there.  I guess that plan of her plan worked.  
 

Curious who might be the next to go.  I’m kind of nervous for Frannie.  Since Jamie’s idol didn’t come out like they were hoping they might assume she still has it so she could be a target.  I could also make an argument for Danny or Lauren but I kind of think it might be too soon for Danny.  

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On 4/27/2023 at 11:05 AM, LadyChatts said:

Curious who might be the next to go.  I’m kind of nervous for Frannie. 

I think it's probably Frannie too, unfortunately.  She's a surprise challenge beast, which is enough reason for the others to take her out first chance they get.

Love to be wrong, though.

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5 minutes ago, phlebas said:

I think it's probably Frannie too, unfortunately.  She's a surprise challenge beast, which is enough reason for the others to take her out first chance they get.

Love to be wrong, though.

I think it's Jaime she appears to go on the reward with Carolyn and Carson? and I think that's where all the chaos starts.

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I wonder if it's a split vote this week because people think Jamie might still have her idol (and don't they think Danny might have one, too?)  I can't remember, who else knows that Jamie gave Kane her idol?  And for all we know, people may assume he gave it back to her.  I do think Lauren could maybe be a target, too.  If it was Jamie who said in the preview "era of alliances are done" and Lauren's bit to Danny about "I'm down", she might be getting set up.  Being the last two Ratu members, Jamie may feel she has no choice but to try and get in with Tika/Soka.  I think it'll be between Lauren and Frannie, maybe Jamie.  

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11 minutes ago, LadyChatts said:

I can't remember, who else knows that Jamie gave Kane her idol? 

I think Lauren was there. Or maybe it just seemed like it since they showed Jamie giving Kane the idol right after they showed Lauren telling Jamie she was giving her the extra vote.

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Rumor had it production loved this season, but I wonder if they just liked it because S43 was a let down or if they genuinely enjoyed it.  There have been worse seasons but this one will probably be forgettable to me once it ends, especially knowing the outcome. 
 

After tonight, I’m seeing why Carolyn both loses and probably gets no votes in the final 3.  She was out of the loop with her own allies, plus she didn’t believe Heidi when she told her about Danny’s comment and tried to orchestrate votes against her.  Sadly, Carolyn needs Yam Yam and Carson at this point.  No one else wants to work with her and any good will she might have had with Heidi might be gone after this vote.  And Carson will probably advocate for Yam Yam in the jury by saying he was calling the shots and Carolyn did what he told her to.

I have to say the edit feels lopsided, but I’m glad the ladies are being seen as strong gamers that don’t really need the men.  Danny thinks he’s controlling Heidi and she needs him more than he needs her, but he clearly doesn’t have a clue what’s going on.  Carolyn is more aware of what’s going on than people realize and both those women have idols that (as far as we know) aren’t known to anyone else.  Carson’s edit hasn’t been as strategic as he’s making himself sound.  And I can’t figure Yam Yam out.  

In the preview for next week, we have a clip of Jamie saying that her and Lauren have the power (I’m guessing they think they are in between Tika and Soka) but we know those comments usually don’t end well for people who think that.  Danny wants to target Carson or Yam Yam and I feel like it’s coming to a head with him either being blindsided or realizing he’s not as in control as he thinks.  I am wondering if the original final 5 rumor was true and Danny goes 5th after all and Lauren and Jamie are the next two out.  

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25 minutes ago, LadyChatts said:

Rumor had it production loved this season, but I wonder if they just liked it because S43 was a let down or if they genuinely enjoyed it.  There have been worse seasons but this one will probably be forgettable to me once it ends, especially knowing the outcome. 
 

After tonight, I’m seeing why Carolyn both loses and probably gets no votes in the final 3.  She was out of the loop with her own allies, plus she didn’t believe Heidi when she told her about Danny’s comment and tried to orchestrate votes against her.  Sadly, Carolyn needs Yam Yam and Carson at this point.  No one else wants to work with her and any good will she might have had with Heidi might be gone after this vote.  And Carson will probably advocate for Yam Yam in the jury by saying he was calling the shots and Carolyn did what he told her to.

I have to say the edit feels lopsided, but I’m glad the ladies are being seen as strong gamers that don’t really need the men.  Danny thinks he’s controlling Heidi and she needs him more than he needs her, but he clearly doesn’t have a clue what’s going on.  Carolyn is more aware of what’s going on than people realize and both those women have idols that (as far as we know) aren’t known to anyone else.  Carson’s edit hasn’t been as strategic as he’s making himself sound.  And I can’t figure Yam Yam out.  

In the preview for next week, we have a clip of Jamie saying that her and Lauren have the power (I’m guessing they think they are in between Tika and Soka) but we know those comments usually don’t end well for people who think that.  Danny wants to target Carson or Yam Yam and I feel like it’s coming to a head with him either being blindsided or realizing he’s not as in control as he thinks.  I am wondering if the original final 5 rumor was true and Danny goes 5th after all and Lauren and Jamie are the next two out.  

I'm wondering if Jaime and Lauren find the betting advantage Cody did at f7

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6 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

Rumor had it production loved this season, but I wonder if they just liked it because S43 was a let down or if they genuinely enjoyed it.  There have been worse seasons but this one will probably be forgettable to me once it ends, especially knowing the outcome. 

I do think it is better than 43 (better edited by miles) and it has some ok moments, but yeah, I think production may just genuinely like this season. I don't think I personally agree, but I do think that it's because the edit favoured Carolyn so heavily but is now going to show her losing in FTC. They got me to love her, and now they're going to take that away. 

I should really stop getting attached to players like this, but Carolyn's the only one I've been rooting for this season. I started rooting for Frannie only after Matt was voted out, and everyone else I haven't connected with or got annoyed by.

It's great to see some of the women getting stronger edits, but they still lose in the end, so clearly their games weren't respected. And Jaime/Lauren haven't gotten strong edits to start with.

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I was initially supportive of Carolyn, but they have just featured her way too much (especially all of the screaming during challenges), so I'm more 'whatever' about her.  Same thing with Yam Yam and Danny.  They need to feature more than just their favorites to make the seasons more interesting.

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On 5/4/2023 at 1:50 PM, seacliffsal said:

I was initially supportive of Carolyn, but they have just featured her way too much (especially all of the screaming during challenges), so I'm more 'whatever' about her.  Same thing with Yam Yam and Danny.  They need to feature more than just their favorites to make the seasons more interesting.

Unfortunately, Survivor has always been this way. They will always be biased toward their favourites, which means there are so many who get shoved to the side in the edit. It's been a thing for years (and I think most reality shows suffer from this). It's not a new thing, so I just never expect an edit to be evenly balanced. 

Still a better edited season than last season, but I have noticed WAY more flaws as the season has gone on.

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With the finale next week, I am really curious to see how the editing of Yam Yam, Carolyn, and Heidi goes.  Heidi said in tonight's ep that she'd be fine with a final 3 of her and Carolyn/Yam Yam, which pretty much gives away what is spoiled to happen.  Lauren would have to go next in what is probably a sentimental boot (maybe she'll get the Sia money).  I can see where Carolyn loses, because even though it seems like people are recognizing she's more of a threat and has been playing this game more than they realize, Lauren tonight said she still didn't understand her that much.  I am curious if the rumor is true that she is a zero vote getter, because that has me a little stumped.  I can also see where Yam Yam wins, although I don't see what about his game has been so spectacular.  Unless Carson really did go into the jury and campaign for him hard (I swear if it's because Yam Yam beat Carson is fire and everyone uses that as an excuse...).  I'm guessing Carolyn can't keep it together at the FTC, and Yam Yam probably puts together a better argument and brings up how he controlled Carolyn's fate in this game.  I'll also assume Heidi doesn't have enough of a resume to win?  I don't care so much about the final 3, but dang, I wish we'd end up getting surprised and have the winner be someone else.  At least I would.  Yam Yam doesn't do it for me.  Figures that out of the final 5, the one I want to win least does.

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At least I can see why Yam Yam wins, unlike last season. As already said, the order should now be Lauren next, Carson loses at final 4 fire, and then Carolyn 3rd place, Heidi 2nd place, and Yam Yam wins the whole thing. I don't mind Yam Yam winning too much. He's not my first pick to win with who's left, but he wouldn't be a bad winner either. 

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Yeah, they did a much better job explaining why Yam Yam wins (I assume they actually learned something from the criticisms of last season). I think, regardless of what he's done, or not done, in the game, he can sell his FTC better than Carolyn and possibly even Heidi can. Even though we know he hasn't done THAT much and most of his moves were based off of other's, he can sell that they have been his moves. He's charming enough and it sounds like everyone in the game is working with Yam Yam (the one thing they haven't edited that well, but they've shown sprinkles of people wanting to talk to Yam Yam about game). 

I also fully see how Carolyn can get 0 votes. I think, even though people see her as a threat now, it's too little too late. That, and I'm not sure she'll have a good FTC to explain her game. 

I'd be surprised if Heidi gets more votes than I think she's gonna get (I was thinking just one vote for her) because she hasn't made any moves thus far in the game, and we're already at 5, but I guess Carolyn does that poorly, or Heidi gets friendship votes from Danny and someone like Jaime or something. 

My guess is actually that Yam Yam wins final immunity, takes Carolyn and forces Carson/Heidi to make fire. Heidi and Carson have both had the foreshadowing with fire (Carson with the fire images, and Heidi actually made fire for her tribe in episode 1, one of the only big moments she had in an episode). Heidi winning fire would likely get her a couple of extra votes, at the very least.

Overall, I'm prepping myself for next week's finale because, yeah, I see how Yam Yam wins and overall, he's not the worst winner we'll have, not even in the new era, but....I just feel meh about it. 

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3 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

Overall, I'm prepping myself for next week's finale because, yeah, I see how Yam Yam wins and overall, he's not the worst winner we'll have, not even in the new era, but....I just feel meh about it. 

To me, it just means an extended period of time with my tv on mute.

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On 3/1/2023 at 3:52 PM, LadyChatts said:

I can't find the original article, but I've seen it mentioned elsewhere that tonight's TC is supposed to be wild and crazy (just like Probst likes them).  The belief is that Maddy is the first boot, though we'll see.  If she is the first boot, I feel like it's par for the course that another female goes first, so I wonder if something changes or shifts (maybe someone plays their SITD successfully?) or if there's just a lot of chaos and drama, but Maddy was the predictable boot and still goes home.

SITD? Not sure what that refers to?

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I think Yam Yam gets Carson and all the Ratu, Heidi gets at least the Soka members (not sure if she'll get all 3).  I've seen theories elsewhere that the jury may think Yam Yam and Carolyn played the same game, and since they can't vote for both they have to pick who they think was the bigger mastermind.  Yam Yam just comes across a little too entitled and petty, which is why I'm not 100% onboard.  Again, not the worst winner in the world and I'm glad he isn't invisible ala some of the more recent winners.  I think Heidi mentioning that Lauren and Jaime burned bridges with her for voting for her, on top of her useless idol play, and some of her misreads in the game are probably going to stack up against her.  She was described as being erratic, and no one believed her when she said Danny dismissed as being a number he didn't need.  It's funny, because based on the preview at the end of S43 and pre-show interviews, I really expected to love Yam Yam and want Carolyn gone, but it's been the opposite.  Given her edit, I'm guessing production must have loved what she brought to the season.

On 5/18/2023 at 1:32 PM, DH1233 said:

SITD? Not sure what that refers to?

Shot In The Dark.

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