Industry - General Discussion

[AntFTW]

I'm so disappointed in Rob. He leaves his bed with Venetia to have sex with Nicole. Rob knowing that Nicole is a predator is not enough to stop him... and then Nicole dies??? 😂

Yasmin got a lot of screen time in this episode. I hope that's not indicative of the rest of the season.

"Alvin America Tao"?

[aghst]

Rob is not cutthroat enough for this business, no matter how much Eric bucks him up — or bucks himself up for that matter.

In the recap — which didn’t really help me recall the previous seasons, other than Eric firing Harper — someone says your worth to this firm is your relationships to clients and how you monetize them.

Rob went for the most obvious route, once he found that Nicole wanted him.  But why does he want this career so badly enough to literally whore himself?  Well the emotional codependence is a part of it.  But they never showed him drawn by the trappings of wealth like Harper?

Yasmin, you wondered why she took so much abuse and scorn for this job given her wealth but now they’re saying she’s not rich because her father stole a bunch of money and has gone on the run.

Kenny became nice and took Eric in so of course he’s the one Eric has to fire — empathy is the worst thing Kenny can offer Eric.

Last but not least Harper is still around.  Eric can’t believe she got another job in the industry, even if she’s just an assistant, not in the middle of the action.

Yet.

[pasdetrois]

On 8/7/2022 at 9:04 PM, aghst said:

I get the sense that the character was created and the actress cast for the nude scenes.

Absolutely. I semi-binged the first season and the pornography overload was boring and irritating. Plus, I laughed at how every occurrence was like rabbits - zero to 60 sex, with the performative female characters thrashing and moaning and making O faces. Stupid.

I've most enjoyed the chatter that goes on in the background of the trading floor. We can always hear one of the traders yelling something crazy at a client or each other.

[pasdetrois]

On 8/16/2022 at 2:27 PM, xaxat said:

Glad to see that Gus might play a greater role. He seemed to be too smart, and interesting to be relegated to being the landlord of a Pierpoint flophouse.

I've only just started the 2nd season and I don't know if Gus' situation changes. But I think this character is one of the few intriguing ones and I'd like him featured more.

[MCMLXXVII]

On 8/12/2024 at 12:01 AM, aghst said:

Rob is not cutthroat enough for this business, no matter how much Eric bucks him up — or bucks himself up for that matter.

In the recap — which didn’t really help me recall the previous seasons, other than Eric firing Harper — someone says your worth to this firm is your relationships to clients and how you monetize them.

Rob went for the most obvious route, once he found that Nicole wanted him.  But why does he want this career so badly enough to literally whore himself?  Well the emotional codependence is a part of it.  But they never showed him drawn by the trappings of wealth like Harper?

I think Rob and Harper are maybe a British vs American take on “striving”.

Harper went to a state school, kind of Gatsbyed herself into this job and enjoys the comforts…but she’s brilliant and a hustler and can always reinvent herself.

Rob grew up in the British class system and is a working class kid who went to Oxford and very much wants to stay among the upper classes. Maybe he’s got a lack of confidence/imposter syndrome that makes him tolerate their bad treatment.

[Lone Wolf]

Came here to say that (after re-watching the first two seasons in preparation for this one) I can't get past how much Nicole looks like Caitlin Jenner.  Guess that's a moot observation at this point.

In other news, I knew immediately that Yasmin will be hooking up with the Lumi guy as soon as he was introduced via playing handball with no shirt on. 

A little creepy to see Eric getting blown on blow (see what I did that there?) and the circumstances leading up to same, but his general weirdness is one of the reasons that I'm hate watching this show.

Why did Anna need her car moved?  Was that just to underscore the menial position that "Harpsichord" has now?  I'm pretty sure that's going to change before very long, too. 

I liked Kenny better with the beard - sure an' he looked like a little leprechaun, he did.  That may or not be moot at this point, also, but I'm leaning toward not.

All these Mommy/Daddy issues, literally and figuratively...oy, gevalt!

 

[aghst]

Jon Snow gets pummeled by a plush-toy wielding Robert, who must weigh a buck forty-five.

Come on, one journalist tweet causes the market to dump on the stock?

Meanwhile they turn around the market with some paparazzi photos?

Meanwhile Petra -- I didn't recognize that it's Sally, the girlfriend from Barry -- is suppose to be some hotshot trader but she's taking advice from Harper, who was fired after a couple of years at Pierson, because Eric kept telling them not to hire her?

That must be Harper's special power, she gets Eric first to protect her for a couple of years and now she's going to latch onto Petra apparently.

Eric instead of being relieved that Lumi stock turned around tells Yasmin that her stunt is market manipulation, when that's exactly what they've been doing all day.  It's probably the best thing she's ever done for Pierpoint.

Yasmin lures Jon Snow into the posh woman's room and says look and me and look at you, this is not going to happen.  Well they didn't fuck right then and there but it seems inevitable that they will.

 

[Sweet-tea]

On 11/19/2020 at 12:32 PM, Bluesky said:

I find it harder to believe that their human resource department doesn’t verify through the university that the person actually went to the university and graduated.  It’s too easy to fake transcripts.  

Way late to the party as I just found this show but yes, this was the first thing I thought. I'm in HR. We use a service to verify education. We don't go by transcripts. Someone calls the school to verify. 

Agree with the inside baseball comment. I had no idea what they were talking about in describing Harper's transaction for her client. What the heck are "beeps"? But it didn't bother me. I would rather a show be authentic than pander to the audience. 

Having said that, I didn't understand what Hari did, what the deal was with the font, and what caused his extreme reaction and death. I rewound the scene of him with the document three times and still couldn't figure out what he was doing. 

I don't usually like subtitles, but with all the technical terms, the fast talking and accents, I don't understand everything they are saying. I'm leaving the captions on. 

The language took me aback. Maybe I'm old, but we don't talk like this at work. We don't use the f word, c word, etc., and all are rampant on this show. Actually they're rampant on many shows on streaming (not the c word as much). In the bathroom scene, what struck me is even 10 or 15 years ago, the woman would've said "I'm less "bitchy" not "c---y" (I won't write it as I detest the word.) Language has devolved.. at least on TV. 

Edited August 24 by Sweet-tea

[Sweet-tea]

On 11/28/2020 at 12:22 PM, hurrrz said:

I feel like the overuse of sex and drug scenes really cheapen the show. I think there's something there to be told about this industry and world, but I have my doubt that grads are going full on debauchery every day. It seems like they're doing coke and booze 10am for breakfast, and then have quickies at tea time.

Agree. Similar to the harsh language, I believe it was included to be "edgy" and "provocative" as opposed to actually advancing the plot. 

[Lone Wolf]

I've watched E2 twice and I still don't completely understand what's going on.

I guess the power outage was random and just a plot point to heighten the general tension surrounding an IPO.  The way the last ep ended, I thought it was some going to be some sort of sabotage.

"Any better and it'd be a sin" is right out of Wall Street, which was released almost 40 years ago.  I don't know how old Eric's supposed to be, but I raised an eyebrow when he said that; it isn't exactly the "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn" of famous movie quotes.

Also, I'm not sure that one Englishman would call another one "buddy", as Henry did Robert when they were arguing. "Mate" would be more in character, no?

And speaking of Henry and Robert - can a guy as apparently unstable as Henry realistically rise to the level of success that he has? And could Robert actually keep his job after literally beating up his client? 

Don't ask what I thought was going to happen between Nicole's daughter and Robert (or for that matter, between Yas and her father in the flashback).  I'll say it again - all these Mommy/Daddy issues! 

 

[lemoncake]

On 8/17/2024 at 2:22 PM, Lone Wolf said:

Came here to say that (after re-watching the first two seasons in preparation for this one) I can't get past how much Nicole looks like Caitlin Jenner.  Guess that's a moot observation at this point.

In other news, I knew immediately that Yasmin will be hooking up with the Lumi guy as soon as he was introduced via playing handball with no shirt on. 

A little creepy to see Eric getting blown on blow (see what I did that there?) and the circumstances leading up to same, but his general weirdness is one of the reasons that I'm hate watching this show.

Why did Anna need her car moved?  Was that just to underscore the menial position that "Harpsichord" has now?  I'm pretty sure that's going to change before very long, too. 

I liked Kenny better with the beard - sure an' he looked like a little leprechaun, he did.  That may or not be moot at this point, also, but I'm leaning toward not.

All these Mommy/Daddy issues, literally and figuratively...oy, gevalt!

 

 

6 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

I've watched E2 twice and I still don't completely understand what's going on.

I guess the power outage was random and just a plot point to heighten the general tension surrounding an IPO.  The way the last ep ended, I thought it was some going to be some sort of sabotage.

"Any better and it'd be a sin" is right out of Wall Street, which was released almost 40 years ago.  I don't know how old Eric's supposed to be, but I raised an eyebrow when he said that; it isn't exactly the "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn" of famous movie quotes.

Also, I'm not sure that one Englishman would call another one "buddy", as Henry did Robert when they were arguing. "Mate" would be more in character, no?

And speaking of Henry and Robert - can a guy as apparently unstable as Henry realistically rise to the level of success that he has? And could Robert actually keep his job after literally beating up his client? 

Don't ask what I thought was going to happen between Nicole's daughter and Robert (or for that matter, between Yas and her father in the flashback).  I'll say it again - all these Mommy/Daddy issues! 

 

Henry is a nepo baby, like Yasmin. He inherited a title and the family business, which is obviously publishing. You don't have to be smart to benefit from generational wealth and privilege. 

[AntFTW]

The ending of episode 3 was hilarious!

[aghst]

Looks like Robert took another one for the team in that sauna room with the gay guy from Loot and then couldn't even sleep in the room because Eric brought the hooker back to their room, telling her Robert's name.

In the previous seasons, Eric was the ultimate alpha dog, making things happen and unleashing a shit storm if he didn't get his way.

This season, he's kind of getting played both by his bosses and now the young associates and even Harper.  He fired Kenny because Kenny saw him in a vulnerable position but now he's coming across looking even more weak, which can't be good for his career.

He looks stupid on the panel and in the morning breakfast with Petra and Harper, then in the back of the jet.

He keeps asking women if he fucks like a young guy.  If you have to ask ...  The actor didn't even bother to lose the belly for the scenes in the underwear.

Guessing he'll make a come back by the end of the season because he's one of the best characters on the show.

So previous episode, Jasmine tells Henry that she and him won't happen.  Now she's fucking him on the private jet?

I get that a lot of investment firms are greenwashing with ESG but the whole Petra and Harper putting down ESG is more reminiscent of the false attacks by conservative politicians who blocked state pension funds from investing with firms who operate under ESG principals.

Otto was it, who said he didn't GAF if Venice is under water by 2075.  Probably an accurate depiction of the attitudes of the elites, in this case European old money?

Edited August 26 by aghst

[AntFTW]

So we're back to seeing Yasmin fuck and/or snort coke in every episode again, huh?

Harper blows shit up everywhere she goes. I think she's in for a massive downfall later in the season. Harper is usually at a really high point or really low point, and not much in-between. She's at the high point by the end of this episode, and she'll crash and burn by the end of the season.

23 hours ago, aghst said:

I get that a lot of investment firms are greenwashing with ESG but the whole Petra and Harper putting down ESG is more reminiscent of the false attacks by conservative politicians who blocked state pension funds from investing with firms who operate under ESG principals.

I think the season thus far is being satirical with all perspectives of it. Petra not wanting to be completely in line with Anna's ESG principles in their investment strategy saying they're missing out on more profitable investments; the higher-ups at Pierpoint expressing doubts about the firm leaning into ESG principles and calling it a "fad"; and rich people attending an ESG-focused conference paying lip service to it while not actually giving a fuck.

[Lone Wolf]

On 8/25/2024 at 10:34 PM, aghst said:

So previous episode, Jasmine tells Henry that she and him won't happen. Now she's fucking him on the private jet?

In semi-plain view of everyone, no less.  

We knew that he was going to be her flavor-of-the season from the moment his  shirtless, sweaty self was introduced to her though.  She probably knew it too and has been deluding herself (as usual).

[AntFTW]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

In semi-plain view of everyone, no less.  

We knew that he was going to be her flavor-of-the season from the moment his  shirtless, sweaty self was introduced to her though.  She probably knew it too and has been deluding herself (as usual).

I wonder if he turns out to be her savior with her financial troubles.

[Irlandesa]

So I've been reading about how good this show is (or has gotten) and I finally decided to binge it.  I don't understand much of the finance interaction but I found this surprisingly easy to binge. 

I liked Season 1.  I liked some parts of Season 2 but it felt more like it was throwing everything at the wall and I failed to see the narrative point of so much of it.  This is mostly specific to the hookups. 

But Season 3 seems to make more sense to me so far.  Each episode has been terrific on its own and I'm curious to see where it all goes.

On 8/24/2024 at 6:02 PM, Sweet-tea said:

The language took me aback. Maybe I'm old, but we don't talk like this at work. We don't use the f word, c word, etc., and all are rampant on this show. Actually they're rampant on many shows on streaming (not the c word as much). In the bathroom scene, what struck me is even 10 or 15 years ago, the woman would've said "I'm less "bitchy" not "c---y" (I won't write it as I detest the word.) Language has devolved.. at least on TV. 

I don't work in finance and we don't use that language at work either but I can imagine there are work places that do use it.  Given the high pressure environment of finance, I could see them using salty language.

As for the "c word," that word is a big taboo in the US but, from what I understand, is pretty common in the UK where this show takes place.

On 8/26/2024 at 12:34 AM, aghst said:

Looks like Robert took another one for the team in that sauna room with the gay guy from Loot and then couldn't even sleep in the room because Eric brought the hooker back to their room, telling her Robert's name.

Industry shows us so much sex but they decide to go all vague for the sauna scene?  I call shenanigans. I did like seeing Joel Kim Booster, though.

On 8/26/2024 at 12:34 AM, aghst said:

So previous episode, Jasmine tells Henry that she and him won't happen.  Now she's fucking him on the private jet?

Yasmin telling Henry that she and him weren't going to happen was Yasmin already in (Season 1-esque) seduction mode.  There's a reason she did it all in the bathrooms. First, there were mirrors that called back to Yasmin and Rob's mirror scene in S1. 

And then after she told him this, she went into the stall and peed loudly knowing he was into piss play.  She knows this because Sweetpea, the day trader/influencer, already told Yasmin that Henry had asked her friend to pee on him.

On 8/25/2024 at 12:13 PM, Lone Wolf said:

I don't know how old Eric's supposed to be, but I raised an eyebrow when he said that; it isn't exactly the "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn" of famous movie quotes.

Ken Leung, who has been so so good this season, is 54.  I imagine Eric is probably of a similar age. And I bet a lot of the finance dudes can quote Wall Street.

Edited September 1 by Irlandesa

[AntFTW]

6 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

Yasmin telling Henry that she and him weren't going to happen was Yasmin already in (Season 1-esque) seduction mode. 

I didn't even think about that but you're right. It's the same thing she did to Rob in season 1.

8 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

Ken Leung, who has been so so good this season, is 54.  I imagine Eric is probably of a similar age. And I bet a lot of the finance dudes can quote Wall Street.

By the time I came along into finance, it was Wolf of Wall Street quotes. 😂

[aghst]

I don't remember the Yaz and Rob and mirrors.

I do recall Yaz and Harper in the women's room, sizing each other up by looking at each other in the bathroom mirror.

[AntFTW]

8 minutes ago, aghst said:

I don't remember the Yaz and Rob and mirrors.

I do recall Yaz and Harper in the women's room, sizing each other up by looking at each other in the bathroom mirror.

If I recall correctly, she seduced Rob in the bathroom and she either gave him a handjob or made him do it himself. There could be another moment but my memory of S1 seems like a blurry distant past.

It's not exclusive to the mirrors, but she has this method of seduction of teasing and denial. In season 1, she was seducing Rob but then tell him "you can't have me." Then, she does it with Henry.

Edited September 1 by AntFTW

[Irlandesa]

1 hour ago, aghst said:

I don't remember the Yaz and Rob and mirrors.

 

1 hour ago, AntFTW said:

If I recall correctly, she seduced Rob in the bathroom and she either gave him a handjob or made him do it himself. There could be another moment but my memory of S1 seems like a blurry distant past.

That's the one I was talking about.  They're in a bathroom or locker room in front of big mirrors.  As they're both looking at their reflection, Yaz has Robert jerk off.  His ejaculate lands on the mirror and she tells him to eat it. Then she worries she has gone too far but he does.

Edited September 1 by Irlandesa

[AntFTW]

Daria's at Goldman now. They are really passing her around.

Rishi makes money; then he parties; then he gambles; and then does drugs in between all of that. Also, he's willing to pay women who gets naked for him and probably is willing to pay for sex. I used to think those were stereotypes until I learned they're not.

Venetia posted to the blog about Rishi, and then she quit. Rishi gives plenty of material that she didn't have to fabricate. When she quits, my first thought was that Venetia was going to work with Harper.

[aghst]

Robert is lucky Venetia didn't dish about him instead of Rishi.

Wow, he's out of control.  You think he might have turned the corner at the end -- "fate is shaving her c***, just for me" -- but of course, he's going to bet 50k with the guy who was going to break some bones if he didn't pay up.

So I would expect that Rishi's antics on the trading floor will continue.  But it's amazing, they turned a side character known mostly for toxic language into an expansive personal story.

These banks are suppose to have very demanding standards for the people they hire, like coming from the right schools and so on but obviously the most important requirement is that they make money and whatever they do in their private lives, whether they're degenerate gamblers, OnlyFans strippers, partner going through midlife crisis by doing coke with his directs, doesn't matter.

So Eric will wave away security right as Rishi's trades turn positive, when they had come to literally drag him off the floor.

 

 

[MCMLXXVII]

On 8/31/2024 at 11:12 PM, Irlandesa said:

I don't work in finance and we don't use that language at work either but I can imagine there are work places that do use it.  Given the high pressure environment of finance, I could see them using salty language.

As for the "c word," that word is a big taboo in the US but, from what I understand, is pretty common in the UK where this show takes place.

The C-Word has had a positive revival in the past three years in the U.S. due to the drag community. You can look up “c*nty” on Urban Dictionary and it means fierce or “bad-bitch” esque.

A few of my favorite podcasters use it, but it’s not for use in everyday corporate settings, and I wouldn’t take it as a positive used by straight people. 

Edited September 2 by MCMLXXVII

[EtheltoTillie]

I was just lost during last night's episode.  Eventually I just tuned out.  Admittedly, I have skipped a lot of previous seasons, but I just can't follow the financial action.

ETA:  I'm a little clearer after reading the Vulture recap. 

Edited September 3 by EtheltoTillie

[Lassus]

Everyone was talking about how awesome this episode was, but it was simply Rishi being an overwhelming selfish asshole and having no consequences at all.

I miss Gus, I admit.

 

 

[AntFTW]

On 9/2/2024 at 11:20 AM, aghst said:

Robert is lucky Venetia didn't dish about him instead of Rishi.

Are Venetia and Rob still a thing... or did they break up? Did I miss that? 🤔

[aghst]

9 hours ago, AntFTW said:

Are Venetia and Rob still a thing... or did they break up? Did I miss that? 🤔

Seems like she's over it.  Pierson and Robert.

[Lone Wolf]

Wasn't sure that I was ready for a RIshi-centric episode, but it was actually a refreshing change of pace to go from Euphoria to Wolf of Wall Street.

That said, Rishi is pretty good at beating up his pub and being a shit husband/father (how creepy is looking at porn while you're holding your infant?) but (as he acknowledged) he got lucky.  This time.

I doubt anyone could pull off what he did IRL but by the same token, no one's ever going to accuse this show of being realistic. 

[AntFTW]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

That said, Rishi is pretty good at beating up his pub and being a shit husband/father (how creepy is looking at porn while you're holding your infant?) but (as he acknowledged) he got lucky.

While pissing...

That's a different take on multitasking.

[aghst]

Yaz knew it was coming but Henry "I am not a pervert" Muck asked her to piss on him.

If he got off on it, it was quick and short.  But he was ready to marry her and then the sexual harassment story comes out and Yaz is over it.

Robert's been with Pierpoint for a couple of years but he was blubbering at the public hearings like a rookie.  Or Tom Wambsgans.

He's shown himself to be transactional and now is suddenly worried about getting fired?

Clement left him half a million quid and he blew it on a house which is falling apart.

OK, Sweet Pea is promiscuous when it comes to exchanging confidential information.  Eric didn't know himself, had to ask Adler to let the Chinese wall down to give him the truth about Pierpoint's balance sheet.

Meanwhile the best source of information is the women's restroom for female staff.  Did Harper go there expecting to get some juicy dish or did she just get lucky again?

Henry and Robert luck out when the minister who was in previous seasons takes the fall for the Lumi bailout.  Gus had been working for her but no sign of Gus this season.  Still the Old Money insiders who are Henry's relatives and the ones who bankrolled Petra and Harper are cozy with the minister and they're having a laugh about the hearings.

Apparently an ayahuasca trip brings out all these complicated feelings in Rob having to do with his mother.  I don't think they had previously highlighted him having mommy issues, have they?  Or maybe that's why he was sleeping with Nicole who was gushing in Rob's trip.  Wait I thought that was Jon Snow's fantasy.

 

 

[EtheltoTillie]

Why was Eric dressed as Henry VIII? 

[aghst]

4 minutes ago, EtheltoTillie said:

Why was Eric dressed as Henry VIII? 

Some kind of charity for children event.

Rishi was dressed like Ali G, Yaz was dressed like Princess Di.

Sweet Pea was dressed like one of the Spice Girls though with her OnlyFans activities, you never know for sure.

[EtheltoTillie]

1 minute ago, aghst said:

Some kind of charity for children event.

Rishi was dressed like Ali G, Yaz was dressed like Princess Di.

Sweet Pea was dressed like one of the Spice Girls though with her OnlyFans activities, you never know for sure.

I completely missed this.  I watch this show with only half my attention.  Thank you. 

Now I can see why Sweet Pea was wearing that multicolor wig. 

Edited September 9 by EtheltoTillie

[AntFTW]

3 hours ago, aghst said:

Meanwhile the best source of information is the women's restroom for female staff.  Did Harper go there expecting to get some juicy dish or did she just get lucky again?

I thought she was sneaking to go talk with someone before the meeting. I think she got lucky.

[blixie]

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Henry and Robert luck out when the minister who was in previous seasons takes the fall for the Lumi bailout.

They didn't luck out Henry at least knew she was in their pocket to take the fall.

 

This show can never make me believe in Rob and Yas are anything other than friends, and she's a shitty friend at that.

I hope Rob no longer cares about any of this bullshit and that frees him up to be better at it, such a perfect commentary to have Rob kept on even though he's not cut out for it, when Gus wanted it so much and was cut. Maybe Gus can come back next season if Aurore continues to have a plot.

Edited September 11 by blixie

[pasdetrois]

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Why was Eric dressed as Henry VIII? 

I thought "why is Eric wearing a church hat and mink stole?"

[qtpye]

This show does a good job of deglamorizing finance but still understanding why it would still be desirable for the characters in the show.

For most, it is the only way to get close to masters of the universe money/power.

 

Edited September 11 by qtpye

[AntFTW]

I wish I could unsee everything that happened up to Eric masturbating in the restaurant restroom. After that, everything was cool.

Episode 6 was cringy. This season seems to have a weird thinking of constantly showing Charles Hanani’s penis.

I liked the storylines outside of Yasmin’s creepy relationship with her father and Eric’s weirdness.

Sweetpea and Anraj’s seems like it was never properly introduced but it seems kinda sweet. There is no way in hell Sweetpea got a call for a job interview and she used her office line! 😑

All the Pierpoint rejects end up at Goldman. Daria, Kenny, and Jackie are all now at Goldman.

It makes total sense now that “the Yankees” from last season that Eric, Rishi, Harper and DVD met with was Goldman. They said earlier that Daria went to Goldman, and I thought that was separate from “the Yankees” firm that we saw her in last season, but that was Goldman. Harper’s big fish, Jesse Bloom, from last season said Goldman was covering him, and now it makes total sense that Daria was able to make the connection with Jesse Bloom because she works at Goldman. Why am I just now making that connection?

Edited September 16 by AntFTW

[NeenerNeener]

On 8/24/2024 at 7:02 PM, Sweet-tea said:

Having said that, I didn't understand what Hari did, what the deal was with the font, and what caused his extreme reaction and death. I rewound the scene of him with the document three times and still couldn't figure out what he was doing. 

He was told that everything in the presentation had to be in a certain font (and/or not be in another certain font) so the guy who was going to use the presentation wouldn't go ballistic. Hari screwed up and selected the wrong font for one page, and didn't notice it until all the copies had been printed and it was too late to fix it. It's probably not something a viewer would catch unless you've done a few Word docs for corporate meetings.

Yasmin is NOT talentless; she's just in the wrong job. She speaks 7 languages; she should be in the foreign service or MI6 or some department at Pierpoint where her language skills would be valued.

 

[aghst]

2 hours ago, NeenerNeener said:

 

Yasmin is NOT talentless; she's just in the wrong job. She speaks 7 languages; she should be in the foreign service or MI6 or some department at Pierpoint where her language skills would be valued.

 

Well Petra was pretty contemptuous of Yasmin's abilities in banking.

And of course we heard Harper's toxic assessment -- talentless, useless whore -- at the end of the episode.

Yas was right to call out Eric at the restaurant, he was angling to get sex from her?  

Or maybe being called out and humiliated was what made him go to the bathroom right afterwards.

I was thinking the poor restaurant, Yas left without paying her portion of the bill -- as much as she enjoyed the steak -- and it looked like Eric was also leaving without settling the bill.

He better leave a big tip after what he did in the bathroom.

 

Yeah I don't get how Petra and Harper gets banks to give up all this proprietary information.  The Asset Manager was skeptical of them too but he gives them the list.  Pretty obvious they weren't going to buy the distressed assets, just use the info. to short.

However, the Pierson Pariahs asked a lot of questions but they should be wary about getting into business with Harper.

In fact, didn't Daria end up leaving Pierson in season 1 because she had a big problem with Harper and Eric protected her at that time?

I forget why the other woman left Pierson.

I don't recall if she or Kenny had any run-ins with Harper but they know that Harper was fired.

Fight at the end, it was eventually going to get physical.  Harper is probably not even 100 pounds.  But they both wailed on each other verbally.  Yikes a toxic narcissist vs. a useless whore who only has sex going for her, according to what they said about each other.

But they flash back to the yacht, they were so happy to be able to go to Nikki Beach despite  Yas' father's death.

Again, you would think people in banking would be motivated by privilege so that's not surprising, going to some exclusive beach club.  Still it's odd, after losing her father Yas would be thinking about going to a private beach club famous for having celebrities?

The diagnosis of Harper is spot on.  Eric confronts her at LeviathanAlpha and goes off on her but she insults him right back, saying she's just doing the same thing he does. 

Then after Yas tells her how she uses people, hurts them, Harper comes right back, because the narcissist is easily triggered or baited to attack back.

We certainly know of this kind of behavior in real life with people suspected of having NPD.

[AntFTW]

1 hour ago, aghst said:

I forget why the other woman left Pierson.

I think it was because Eric and Harper pitched a hybrid desk while Harper was covering Jesse Bloom because they were going to shut down the London office. They were pitching a “leaner, meaner elite strike force team” or something like that and Adler approved the idea of this hybrid team. I think she was let go as a result of that.

1 hour ago, aghst said:

The diagnosis of Harper is spot on.  Eric confronts her at LeviathanAlpha and goes off on her but she insults him right back, saying she's just doing the same thing he does. 

Then after Yas tells her how she uses people, hurts them, Harper comes right back, because the narcissist is easily triggered or baited to attack back.

But Eric liked that about Harper when it worked for him so he’s not any worse than Harper IMO. They are all toxic in their own ways, and they compound the worst qualities in each other.

[NeenerNeener]

5 hours ago, aghst said:

Well Petra was pretty contemptuous of Yasmin's abilities in banking.

And of course we heard Harper's toxic assessment -- talentless, useless whore -- at the end of the episode.

I never said she was good at banking; I said she was in the wrong job. Her skill set is languages, and nobody who can speak 7 different languages is actually "talentless".  

[AntFTW]

49 minutes ago, NeenerNeener said:

I never said she was good at banking; I said she was in the wrong job. Her skill set is languages, and nobody who can speak 7 different languages is actually "talentless".  

I agree with that. Her family owned a publishing empire and Yasmin works at an investment bank. All of the "talents" that these people can think of is at the highest levels of business. That may not be her talent.

Developing relationships may be more of her speed. Knowing 7 languages allows her to connect with potential clients in a way that her English-only speaking colleagues cannot. The PWM job may have been more in her lane.

Edited September 16 by AntFTW

[aghst]

48 minutes ago, NeenerNeener said:

I never said she was good at banking; I said she was in the wrong job. Her skill set is languages, and nobody who can speak 7 different languages is actually "talentless".  

We don't know what her schooling was.

Did she major in finance or did she graduate from a prestigious institution like Rob did from Oxford?

Supposedly the bar is high to get into banks like Pierson or at least it was represented as such.

So despite her schooling, some of these other characters have little regard for her banking.

 

I agree she's not talentless but that was Harper's dig at her after Yas called her ruthless and using people, because Harper is always going to attack in return due to her narcissism.

[AntFTW]

1 hour ago, aghst said:

I agree she's not talentless but that was Harper's dig at her after Yas called her ruthless and using people, because Harper is always going to attack in return due to her narcissism.

But... so would Yasmin, although Yasmin is not the best example. Specifically, in regard Harper's need to fire back, I don't think particular thing is due to narcissism. I think most people would verbally attack back if they feel they were verbally attacked, not necessarily due to narcissism. To me, that is a natural thing for people to do, respond in kind and use the lowest hanging fruit. Harper probably knows that Yasmin's father called Yasmin talentless and Yasmin feels some guilt about her father, and Harper knows about Eric's family drama, and those are the easiest things to fire back with.

Harper not pressing harder to stop Petra from using Yasmin in the first place knowing there could be consequences for Yas, I think, can be attributed to her narcissism. Taking an interview with Sweetpea to extract inside information (information that Sweetpea is not supposed to have) and/or just to toy with her to see if she would even give the information can be attributed to her narcissism. These things I separate from her need to fire back at Yas.

[Lassus]

I still love the show, but it is very very very hard to watch as there is absolutely no one to root for.  Rob, kinda, I guess, who had one line in this entire episode.

 

It’s pretty clear that literally everyone on the show hates themselves, which why they treat everybody in their orbit so poorly.  Which is fine, but after awhile begins to lack enough complexity and nuance to elevate the show to some I-know-it-when-I-see-it next level.  
 

I love the show, but I love it enough that I want it to be better.

[aghst]

Narcissists feeling compelled to attack back is more related to being easily-triggered.

A certain public figure got easily and repeatedly baited into emotional responses and some observers attributed that to NPD.

[Lassus]

I will be very very disappointed if one of either Yas or Harper end up using their knowledge of the events on the boat as leverage or a threat against the other.  That would be basic.

[aghst]

1 minute ago, Lassus said:

I still love the show, but it is very very very hard to watch as there is absolutely no one to root for.  Rob, kinda, I guess, who had one line in this entire episode.

 

It’s pretty clear that literally everyone on the show hates themselves, which why they treat everybody in their orbit so poorly.  Which is fine, but after awhile begins to lack enough complexity and nuance to elevate the show to some I-know-it-when-I-see-it next level.  
 

I love the show, but I love it enough that I want it to be better.

That was the problem with Succession, nobody that you felt a lot of sympathy for or identified with, much less rooted for.

So they solved that problem by still making the characters interesting or entertaining at least, if unlikeable.

There have been many sympathetic and likable characters in TV shows and movies over the years but they were kind of boring too.