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I agree. I have hard time feeling sympathy for her, because she comes across as snotty and petulant. She doesn't strike me as a warm or likable person. I don't know what kind of recovery program she is working, but if it's the 12 steps, then she needs to go back to step 1.

I was shocked too. Get a grip, Andy.

Not for me either. People in recovery know their sobriety date, but they tend to track the time in months or years. At least that is how it is in the meetings I attend. So Kathry's saying 8 months didn't ring false to me as far as the lingo goes, but it definitely did in terms of her sobriety. I don't believe for a minute that's she sober. Landon didn't look very good and her hair looked terrible. What did she do to it? I don't think Craig and Naomi are going to make it. He didn't looked thrilled when she was describing how they are working on their relationship. I like Austen. Shep is a jerk, but what is interesting is how loved he was in season 1. If you go back and read these boards most posters really liked him. A lot changed in a few seasons. Craig talking about what a drunk Shep is amused me, since Craig can knock back quite a few himself.

ITA! I didn't see any humility or self-awareness from her, which are key components of a person actively working his or her recovery. She is still defensive and snotty, even using the same "goodbye" term again with Landon. She also looked out of it to me. There was one close-up in which her eyes looked heavy, as if she was struggling to hold up her head. I agree with another poster who thinks she is on opioids. She could be taking Xanax too, as she was oddly subdued while still acting nasty. I didn't like the hair color at all. I'm not a fan of the fake-looking red. The cut was cute though. Her dress was horrible! What on earth....? Speaking of recovery, Shep also sounds like a classic alcoholic in denial. He even described his powerlessness over alcohol, which is the first step in a 12-step program. Also Cam's comment that his personality completely changes is telling. He needs help but doesn't sound like he's ready to surrender.

Ben Z wasn't there either, but since he was ignored on the show I wasn't surprised.

One of the problems for me is there isn't an incentive for them, just the vague notion of walking off together for whatever. I never watched Bachelor Pad, but wasn't it a contest in the Survivor mode? This seems like a better concept to me, although I guess it wasn't since they revamped the show.

I think her primary motivation is to be on TV. Perhaps she thinks if she shows up enough, she'll be considered for The Bachelorette. Her baby voice drives me crazy. Do men really like that? Never mind... yes, I've heard they do. Whoops, mertensia you beat me to it. I hope Derek knows what he's doing. Taylor seems super high maintenance to me.

It could have worked if it were at least the right size... maybe. How did she not know it was too small? I couldn't breathe just looking at her. She was slimmer last year. I wonder what happened.

I thought he didn't look that into her in the last episode when they were Facetiming. Interesting how Angela was talking about how wounded she was as a child from not getting enough attention from her parents, and in an earlier scene her daughters were essentially telling her the same thing. Is she that clueless?

Not in my recovery program. Kathryn eemed like she had an alcohol problem too in the episodes I watched. She was drinking and doing drugs. Seems smart to avoid them both. HunterHunter, I understand your point. I'm just going by my experience. I also would not include anti-depressants when I'm talking about drugs. Some alcoholics have dual diagnosis, such alcoholism and depression --and are on anti-depressants. I was referring to other drugs such as hydrocodone, Oxy, Xanax, etc. (The treatment/therapy professionals and the 12-step programs also tend to disagree on some points such as this.) I don't know as much about drug addiction as my recovery is for alcohol.

Late to the game here because I just watched this, but he looked really drunk to me. Most of them did. The dinner was a trainwreck because they were drunk. That's the kind of thing people do when they are intoxicated--"Oh, let's discuss this now, we can work it out..." Judgment is obviously impaired. Well that's not the case with alcohol IMO. I'm in recovery and my program says we should to obstain from all mind-altering drugs, so if you're alcoholic you don't take drugs. It makes sense then that if you're a drug addict, you don't drink. The sober addicts I see in meetings don't drink alcohol. One addiction can easily substitute for another. I've heard many of them say that when they drink, it leads them back to taking drugs.

ITA! She made a bad situation worse. Instead of showing some grace she acted like a child. I cannot stand her exaggerated speech and mannerisms (and find her nose distracting). Brandi's impression of her cracked me up.

Agree! I have never seen a character around this long who was so minimized on the show. He was was barely on, hardly mentioned or shown. It makes me wonder if he's a dark horse to become the next Bachelor. It would certainly be a shock as they edited his role down to nothing. I think he is gorgeous and believe he has a lot more to talk about than his dog. We just didn't hear it for some reason. I wanted to scream, "He's just not that into you!" at Kristina. Loved when Wells asked her why she's fighting for that loser. Not buying Amanda's sudden interest in Robby. I think she just wants to be on tv.

I was underwhelmed by the makeovers but did like Savannah's new color. I was afraid they'd take her to a garish red and relieved when they didn't. (I guess I've watched too much ANTM.) But what happened to the one with the overly dark hair that Kelli and Judy kept saying needed a makeover? I agreed with them and really wanted to see what she'd look like with lighter hair, because she was very pretty. The almost black hair just aged her. Did she get cut? It bothers me when Kelli is talking to someone about her weight and doesn't even mention nutrition. These girls are working out like crazy. If one of them is struggling with her weight, then she needs to look at what she's eating. Exercise will only get you so far. They don't mention this though. They just talk about taking extra training sessions.

I noticed her lips looked different. It looks like she's had filler in addition to everything else she's had done. Overall, she looks good. I still don't believe her story that Botox alone is what makes her jaw look so much smaller. I think she had something else done. Carole's mouth looks unattractive to me. I enjoyed watching the ladies laugh while they viewed the recap. They really got a kick out of it. It was a nice, light moment instead of the usual drama. I don't think Ramona will change. As others have said, she apologizes and then repeats her behavior. Her narcissism makes her incapable of self-awareness and empathy. Even when she does apologize, I think it's just an act. She knows it is expected. Dorinda is a mean, sometimes deranged drunk. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near her when she's drinking. At least three of these women appear to have problems with alcohol IMO: Dorinda, Ramona and Sonja. Oh, I forgot Tinsley. Four. Speaking of Tinsley, she doesn't do much for me. She just strikes me as a bubble brain. Perhaps she will grow on me though.

Once again Ben Z is ignored. It's so weird. Why is he even on the show? It's frustrating watching Kristina put up with Dean's antics. The guy is a first rate jerk and she just keeps going back for more. I fast-forwarded through most of Corinne's interview but did hear her use the old "reaction to medication" excuse. Not very original given how much time she had to prepare for the interview. I believe it's more likely that she got wasted and had blackout sex.

I'm wondering the same thing. They act as if he's not even on the show.

I meant we're not being shown. My other post won't let me edit it.

I agree. I remember some of us speculating that he might be the next bachelor instead of the other Ben who was chosen. I think he's being edited to be dog-obsessed. I'll bet he's said a lot more and we're just now being shown. I don't understand it though, because I think he's a hunk.

Exactly. We don't have to see the tape, but Chris easily could have said something like the investigation found that Corinna and Demario engaged in consensual behavior. He wouldn't even have to say they had sex; we can figure it out. But instead he danced all around the subject, which was irritating. But I still wonder what the producer saw that made her think there was a problem. Did Corinne look like she completely out of it or passed out?

It's hard to understand why that particular term is even a part of Julia's vocabulary. It didn't just pop out of thin air; it's floating around in her brain somewhere. I know people misspeak sometimes; I have certainly said the wrong thing before, but nothing even in the realm of what Julia said. I just don't get it. Angela is insufferable. Even her husband didn't seem thrilled to be talking to her.

I'm exhausted just reading this thread. Wish we could just talk about what happened on the episode and not get into the weeds of politics. But having said that, I have to admit I fast-forwarded through the entire Carole/political segment. I have no interest in hearing any of these women discuss politics.

I heard her say that but am not sure I believe it.

I agree with Beth on this point. I think "the Penthouse" sounds pretentious. It seems "home" or "apartment" would be the more common expression, but perhaps that is the point. Lu will not be considered "common." I don't understand why some of these women shovel on the makeup for the reunion shows. Dorinda looked garish from head to toe. She has looked so much better on the regular show. But the prize for the worst has to go to Ramona. She looked so desperate--the extensions, giant breasts, fake lashes, flashy tight gold dress with the slit. The whole look screamed trying too hard. She just looked ridiculous. Sonja's makeup wasn't as overdone, but she should've picked another dress. Beth looked the best to me but I agree with those who said the dress overwhelmed her. The dress was wearing her, and she didn't look comfortable. Her face looked good though. I'm still mystified about how her once prominent jawline now looks in proportion to her face. I don't know what she did, but it looks good. Tinsley may be in denial about her drinking. Whenever I hear the term "housewife" I am reminded that none of these women are housewives or even married. One thing I like about the Auckland women is they are in line with the original concept. I don't care if some of the NY women are single, but it would be interesting to throw at least a few married women into the mix. I'm not counting Lu because she was married for five minutes.

I agree. Why don't they address what is actually on the tape? No one talks about it, but the producer must have seen something that made her think she needed to act. Who is the producer? Is she still employed by the show? I wonder if they were both so drunk they don't remember what happened, and the producer thought Corinne was too drunk to give consent. Whatever it is, enough already. Move on.