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Hard to believe that a cop would go undercover to get close to Jane. But if that were plausible, what is not plausible is to also get close to Ziggy, and spending all this time with him. I can't imagine that it would ever be condoned to use a child like that to get to the mother. Not to mention, what undercover cop goes in and out of work, not in disguise and therefore not actually undercover? I think it is a red herring. Loved the scene where Renata thinks she is going to set Mary Louise straight, and ML totally takes over the conversation and direction of it. As improbable as some of these storylines are, I am still enjoying every minute of this show due to the superb acting.

I agree with you regarding Abby. I think she is a user. Now she is 25, has been out of jail for 4 years, and is pregnant with a man that she is still with and met at work. Why are they moving in with her aunt? At this point she and her boyfriend should be taking care of themselves, not relying on yet another person to provide for her. She appears to have inherited more of her father's traits than her mother's.

I thought Gordon said to Renata not to mention the party just before the meeting with the judge. So however they are paying for it, the judge doesn't know about the party. I noticed that the judge commented that Renata needed to hand over the watch, and then commented on the ring in the next sentence. When Renata took off the ring and put it on the table the watch was already there. Editing gremlins at work. I also think Corey is related to Perry, and possibly his half brother. It is obvious he is much more interested in Ziggy than Jane. I am loving this season. I don't care that they are all miserable. The acting is so superb, that I am loving every scene. Celeste's slap of Mary Louise was fabulous.

Regarding the Catt Burglars (I know technically they were robbers and not burglars, but I couldn't resist) I honestly don't believe everything the kids said. When Abby entered to room to be interviewed, the same one where her father had written on the white board the banks that he had robbed in Oregon, she was not the least bit surprised. When the detective mentioned that she was looking at the board, she gave a drawn out "Yaaaaaaa". I think she was surprised that her father confessed to those robberies, but knew that he had committed them. Not to mention there were wrappings from the Oregon banks lying around the apartment. And of course thousands of dollars in cash that they obviously had spent, since they needed to rob more banks to replenish their stash. It isn't really surprising to me that the situation with the lady that took Abby in, didn't work out. By this time Abby was 21, and I think the lady, sweet as she was, was treating Abby like a teenager. And what is the point of making someone go to church if they obviously are not getting something out of it? Who knows if Abby had been in a different situation post release if she would have made better choices. But she certainly appeared to have broken every parole condition she likely had, so chances are she would not have. Interesting that Hayden has adjusted so well to prison. I think unless he does get into a situation involving a church, he will not adjust well to the outside. Wow their father was a piece of work. About the only positive thing I can say about him is that he didn't name his kids Tom and Kitty. That's all I got.

How strange. Without going back too far, the last two years of NY had 19 episodes before the reunion shows. And as you have said, BH is on episode 20, but the last two years had 18 episodes each before the reunion shows. How odd that the number of epis are inconsistent both within a franchise itself from year to year, and from franchise to franchise. I really hope they didn't make this season shorter just because Lu couldn't travel out of the country. Who cares? She wasn't at the reunion last year because she checked into rehab, so why would they cut the season short because she can't travel? I think Bravo is taking their viewers for granted.

So Dorinda thinks it is OK to call Tins a liar, and insist that she still must be seeing Scott because that is the only way she could have new dresses? This from the woman who has been saying for years that she is only with John because she gets the fabulous dresses that aren't claimed at his dry cleaning business. Shut up, Dorinda. Have these women never had a friendship with an ex after the romantic/sexual relationship ends? I have never not had a relationship with my exes. (Talking boyfriends here, as my present husband is also my first husband). My oldest friendship with an ex is now 40 years old. Let this be the end of us having to go to Lu's cabaret show over, and over, and over. It is becoming viewer abuse. And if Lu was really an attentive parent, she would have noticed that horrible facial hair on Noah and told him how terrible it looks on him. I thought the surprise Bethenny had for Sonja after Barbara ruined the first surprise party was very sweet. I can't believe the season is over. Doesn't filming usually go into the new year? It seems like the filming was over a period of fewer months this season.

Just looked for more info on Dateline's Facebook site, and as usual lots of info was left out of the episode. When Kirk and Pam separated, they were worth about $500,000. When Pam died, Kirk was worth about $109,000 (not the amount his lawyer claimed). He had been very bitter about how much he was paying, and his monthly expenses exceed his monthly income by $2800 per month. This from a forensic audit done and presented at the trial. Also apparently Pam never went after half of his pension in the divorce as she knew how angry it would make him. I wonder what the split was as far as the jury goes? In any case it appears that the $4000 was a lot for a man who's expenses totaled over $33,000 a year more than his income.

I agree that they probably edited out quite a bit, but the fact that Kyle and Teddi even brought it up again after the conversation the night before was annoying. And annoying to me as a viewer - I don't need the rest of the season to now revolve around Erika not being believed about how she felt about Rinna dressing as her at Farrahween. We have finally moved off of puppygate, please don't let this be what takes its place.

If I were on the jury, I would have had no problem in convicting the ex. He obviously was not happy about the $4,000 given that according to the letter written on Oct 22/14 (less that two weeks before his ex was murdered) she had been trying to get money from him for the expenses since July of 2013. This was her fourth attempt, so obviously he was not happy about paying his half, even if it was in the divorce agreement. It is a small amount considering three kids are involved, but he obviously had a problem with it since he hadn't paid and still wasn't. I also found his lawyers assertion that it was silly that he wanted to retire but couldn't, a stretch. I don't think $95,000 K is a huge salary (especially with three kids to pay for), and 240K or so in retirement funds is hardly enough for someone to retire on, even with a pension. Add in the gun power residue in the car, the fact that he would not let his home or car be searched without a warrant, the fact that he lied to police, wasn't at home when his girlfriend showed up for their date, didn't divulge that or the fact that he had a second girlfriend he saw later in the evening, his car GPS showed that he was at/near his ex's office, I think he is guilty. Not to mention the eye witness, who I felt sorry for because she had no idea when she saw him that the details of what she saw would be so important down the line. The kids are delusional, but that is not uncommon. I feel sorry for Pam's brother and sister, knowing her killer will never serve a day in jail. And not to speak ill of the dead, but I am always surprised when someone moves so quickly with a new boyfriend. Her kids met this guy for the 3rd time at their mother's engagement party? Yikes.

I liked this episode, as I have every episode that you-know-who has not been on. I run hot and cold with regards to Erika, but I did feel sorry for her when she opened up that she had never had a group of girl friends, and Kyle and Teddi immediately insisted once again that Erika was not being truthful about not being bothered by Rinna dressed/acting as Erika Jayne. There are few thing more annoying than someone insisting that you are not being truthful if you do not agree with how THEY perceive a situation. I did find it interesting that Teddi said that she did not feel secure growing up. I knew that her dad was not around a lot, but it seems that maybe her mother wasn't the best mother either. As someone who had the best parents and most secure childhood, I always feel bad for those who did not. And while Teddi may have been raised with money, money does not equal security, at least in a child's mind. I did love the imitations (and loved that Edwin guessed that Kyle was imitating Teddi's walk - lol). I also thought it was hilarious at the end when some of the howives were going around trying to get others to go to bed. The children's book "Go the F*** to Sleep" came to mind. Also, plether and satin are not your friends, Kyle.

I was hoping that after Ramona took Barbara shopping, she might have been inspired to do a complete makeover. Apparently not. In another RHoNY thread, someone referred to Barbara, in relation to Lu, as an older woman. In reality Luann is older than Barbara. I don't have a lot of sympathy for Luann when she blames the other howives' treatment of her as the reason she wants to drink again. She is the one who has kept re signing for the show, knowing that not only is conflict between the women a big part of it, but so is drinking at every turn. On top of that she continues her cabaret act, where she is obviously around booze constantly. In fact wasn't it after one of her shows that Lu admitted to drinking and violating her parole conditions? But then Lu is a narcissist, and nothing is ever a narcissist's fault. I wonder if Jovani will want to sue Lu for butchering its name?

I thought it was ironic that Lu referred to Dorinda's 80s aerobic class as passe. This from the woman who is in a cabaret show. Does anyone else think that the only reason that Lu returned to the table at the dinner was because the guy she was trying to hook up with didn't take her call? My heart broke for Tins, and I don't think she was recreating her feelings of losing Bambi. Whenever I have lost a beloved kitty, I have had meltdowns for several days if not weeks afterwards. Sonja and Ramona were horrible friends in comforting her, and these are two fellow dog owners. Sonja used her dog's death as a story line, not to actually grieve the passing of her dog. And Ramona doesn't think she will react the way Tins has, when Coco dies? Poor Coco.

Am I the only one who dislikes that you cannot delete a post that was made in error? Lol.

Not to mention during the first go around, Lu asked Dennis for money (not sure if she asked Beth too?). Beth arranged for Lu to get into rehab, and paid for it. Obviously Lu didn't turn that down since she went. Apparently Beth also paid for a lawyer for Lu. Did Lu say "No thanks, I don't need one"? Or that she would get and pay for her own? Apparently not. Lu is a taker and a user.

We live in a resort town, so are used to people and kids at beaches. We also have lots of neighbours who have pools, and they and their kids are able to enjoy their pools without being obnoxiously loud and disturbing the neighbourhood. However we used to have people who weren't even neighbours, but rather lived in a house that is down a hill, across a road and in a different area of homes entirely. They had a pool, and their kids would screech at the top of their lungs for hours. They might as well have been right in our backyard and those of our actual neighbours. Our neighbours with kids that age also commented on it. Mind you it had nothing to do with the pool, they also played in the street using the same decibel of screeching. Apparently Sunny made a comment during one of her times telling this story that she was only renting her beach house for a week, whereas Bethenny was renting for the whole summer. Apparently that entitled her kids to act however they wanted since they could only afford to be there for a short time. Sunny appears to be quite envious of Beth's success.

Are you saying Bryn is special to you too? How sweet. One other thing with regards to Sunny Hustin. I didn't watch the exchange (haven't watched the View in years) but apparently Meghan McCain said that Bethenny sent her a nice note after the death of her father. Hustin replied "I didn't get a nice note". How rude to compare her kid being a brat, to Meghan losing her father, who many considered to be a hero. What a delusional bitch.

Personally I think that if someone screamed, it was because the kids were so loud it was the only way to be heard. What is the difference between yelling and screaming? If the kids are being so loud that they cannot hear you when you "ask", then you would have to yell. No one (including Sunny) said Beth got in her kid's face. Sunny was abhorrent in how she went after Beth on Twitter for her relief efforts, She is a petty woman who just shows how little she is when she opens her mouth (or types on Twitter, as the case might be). In my experience, if you feel the need to talk to a kid and the parent is right there, it is because the parent is completely oblivious, and/or thinks her special snowflake can do no wrong. I certainly had adults have their say when I was a kid, and didn't think they should go running to my parents or my friends parents if they had something to say. But then I wasn't brought up as a snowflake, either.

Sunny didn't say that Bethenny screamed at her kid the way she screamed at Lu, she said that Beth yelled at her kid. Maybe she had to yell to be heard over Sunny's kid who, if he had to be told to pipe down, was likely screaming with his friends.

Can't get rid of this......

Sunny also criticized Bethenny last year for her relief efforts. That woman is a piece of work. I have watched her on political news channels before, and found that she often plays loose and fast with the truth. I will no longer watch any show that she is on. Assuming that this may have happened with her other kid, maybe the kid needed to be told to pipe down. It ticks me off when people think that their children should be allowed to scream and yell, no matter where they are. I don't care if your kid is at a pool, a beach, or playing in the street. There are other people living there, and your kid (and his friends) are not the only people there, And I don't even have a sleeping child. Special snowflakes are only special to the people that spawned them.

Those sites professing to know how much howives are worth are hilarious. Carole R. has said many times that she does not have anywhere near the $50 million that is constantly attributed to her. They claim that Denise Richards gets over $50,000 a month from Charlie Sheen, where in reality she gets $20,000. Lu's is hilarious though as the one site claims that part of Lu's $50 mill comes from acting (do they mean what she is doing now on RH?), modelling and her time as a nurse. I had no idea being a LPN paid such good wages. I would guess that Lu is likely the least wealthy of the NY wives, except for maybe Sonja. The apartment she rented last year was a hovel. And a few years before she was homeless in NY, living with Sonja. That is why she latched onto Tom so quickly, and put up with being humiliated time after time - because she thought he had money. I am beginning to think that Lu's cabaret act is a way to keep her apple on the show as it is the only story line she has. And I would think the show pays better than the bottom line of her act. It is amazing to me though that she really thinks people are coming to hear her talk her way through a song or two. Talk about delusional.

Not only did Luann not deny it, but she said she was in a bad place at that time. Also her answer to why she wasn't there for Beth after Dennis died was that she didn't see her during that time. Duh, wasn't that the point? But Lu says it like it is a reason, too narcissistic to realize that she is making Beth's point. Un-freaking-believable. I don't blame Beth for losing her shit at the point where Lu made fun of Tins for slurring - I am pretty sure that Beth (and likely many of the rest) knew at this point that Luann was not sober. At all. Does anyone else think that Lu stayed at the beach because she wanted to drink? I also loved the scene in the car after the AA meeting where Sonja was talking about the guy who kept moving from town to town. Lu was looking out the window, and I thought "Yep, that is exactly why Lu has moved to the round house in the middle of nowhere. So she can drink without being seen". The scene at the end was one of the most raw ones I have ever seen on this show, and it was evident that the rest of the ladies were upset - both for Bethenny, and because they agreed with everything she was saying about Lu. The (much needed) comic relief for me was when Ramona was patting herself on the back for staying back to wait for Lu, and as soon as she heard that Tins had gone on a date, dropped the f word and declared that she would rather have gone on a date that hang out with them. Never change, Ro.

So glad to hear that you escaped mostly unscathed. We have been lucky, with two evacuation alerts but no actual evacuations. However others in our city of now 120,000 haven't been so lucky. Our first big fire when our population was around 100,000 saw 30,000 people evacuated and 239 homes burn. My nieces live in a town of 80,000 where the entire town was evacuated, and 3244 structures burned which included 2400 homes. Devastating. Our big fire was caused by lightning, but so many that have occurred in the areas in our province since have been human caused, which I think is also the case in your state. That in itself is both horrifying and mind boggling. I am glad though that despite the fact that poor Camille (and Denise) could not go, that the ladies carried on to France as planned. After all, that is their job, and I for one was quite entertained by both them, and the fabulous scenery. It is one of the best trips I can remember from the 3 franchises I watch (NY and OC being the other two). It is one of the reasons I watch these shows, and great travel porn happens far too little for my taste.

I can't remember the exact words, but they were talking about the fires and Rinna told him that Camille lost her house. He said that other of their friends could be losing their houses, and that mansion after mansion were being lost. I didn't think it was insensitive (or elitist) at all, just stating fact.

I loved this episode! The chateau was gorgeous, and I love that the ladies were gracious enough to oh and ah over their beautiful rooms, rather than act like half of the NY cast where choosing a room becomes a blood sport. I also noticed that the ladies got along just fine and were having fun until the last 10 minutes of the episode. I think, as I have in other epis, that the conflict was producer driven, because heaven forbid we go a whole episode without some manufactured/old drama. That said, at least LVP was only brought up once or twice briefly, which was one or twice too much for me but bearable. I love that no one traveled with a glam squad, even Ericka. Even at the end, when she looked soo tired (and so tired of saying that she had no problem with Rinna being Erika Jayne) she looked 100 % better than she does with the squad. Same goes with Dorito. I don't have a problem with Rinna's kid thinking she can help other kids that may be suffering from an eating disorder. It seems more productive to me than what Olivia Jade does (or did) as an "influencer", or what any Kardasian does. More power to her. Finally, as someone who lives in an area where wildfires have become a yearly occurrence (and volunteers with a group that goes into the fire zones to rescue animals, or feed ones that cannot be moved) I don't have a problem with how the ladies handled their calls to Denise and Camille. I don't have a problem either with what Harry said, as he referenced their friends, most of who I would imagine do live in mansions. But life goes on. Two of my nieces live in a town that was totally evacuated three years ago, and they were out of their home for 2 months. One niece still has nightmares about leaving surrounded by flames. It doesn't matter how much money you have, fear is fear. And loss is loss.