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I guess the reason I am most intrigued by my theory of Will pining for Jane/11 instead of being gay is because I like the viewing experience a lot more when the shows throw curveballs after constant hints about one thing, instead turning out to be something else; no matter the plot or storyline. Them veering off the path of their hints is not something I'm willing to bet on, but I prefer non-linear paths in things I watch/read. jmpov & ymmv Also, going off just memory, but I am remembering Will always referring to her as either 'El' or Jane so far this season - through ep.3 - but much more often than not, Mike calls her 'Eleven'. I feel like there's a big clue about things in the difference there, but I can't figure out exactly what. (like whether Mike actually is [still?] in love with her, or not, for instance)

{Disclaimer: Have only watched the season (& series) to this episode [so far!], so I have plenty of time to be proven very wrong....} I'm going mostly the other way with this, about the hints that Will is gay (for Mike, at the least). My current working theory is that the complete and total obviousness of the 'clues' that paint Will as a batter for the same team are way too blatant and thus are red herrings, and are possibly actually clues about something else. I think its possible that Will has fallen for Jane/Eleven but - in his mind - can't do anything about it because not only does the rest of his family consider her his sister now but she and his (former?) best friend are together (somewhat, from a long distance). If one were to see it a certain way, there's a clue right in the first episode, during that monologue of Jane/11 'reading' the letter she's written to Mike. She says something along the lines of "Will is acting weird, I think he likes a girl". Its probably a stupid theory and me reading into things that aren't there, but I just feel like the heavy-handedness of the "Will is gay!" hints are too obvious for it to be either just that or that at all. Seems way too easy, with hints that a blind & deaf person could read without any trouble. As for all the awkwardness that Will is displaying around Mike, I believe is more about the remnants of the argument they had during the middle of S3 and as Will stated, Mike hadn't called or wrote but a couple times then turned down a friendly hug attempt when arrived in Cali as well as pretty much ignored Will totally in favor of Jane/11 the whole time he's been there. Its only for about 20 hours, but I'm standing on this hill until I watch the rest of S4, V1.

That smoke seems to be gettin' thicker now ..... A Canceled Fan-Favorite CBS Show Is About To Be Rescued 'Magnum P.I.' Saved After CBS Cancellation by Fellow Network (the 2nd titled link is a bit misleading, as it reads as an absolute; but as of right now, its not)

I still refuse to get any hopes up, but there does seem to be some tiny wafts of smoke to all this 'efforts to save the show' "fire" we've heard news about, starting since shortly after the cancellation was announced.

Not getting any hopes up, even slightly, but at least they're (supposedly) trying to give the series a chance elsewhere. So have to give NBCU that, at least.

CBS (& NBCU) can go f*ck right off, and take their reality shit with them.

Being co-owned, there were two places to shift it, in terms of streaming, be it Paramount+ or Peacock. But instead, just outright cancelled it. A procedural like Criminal Minds survived well past its shelf life, imo, (15 seasons!) and is now being brought back - via streaming - 1.5 to 2 years after cancellation. But you're telling me that neither CBS or NBCU can't save a show - even if only via a streaming platform - that had the ratings and a fanbase worthy of saving?? The decisions made by these networks is nonsensically frustrating.

I understand what you're saying, and the numbers don't lie, re: the law enforcement and medical procedurals.... But they're just not my cup of tea. They're just so bland and formulaic, episode after episode. I might check out one here and there, just because of either things I've heard about it sound a bit intriguing, or because of actors I know & like being in them. But even then, I usually lose interest quick.

I don't know who's responsible for making these Orville trailers, but good lord, they are amazing. Movie trailers wish they were this good!

Nice. I meant to watch the first season when it was airing, but wasn't able to. Now I have, at least, 7 months to make time to watch it and be ready for s2.

Sure this is "Man Lands on Moon" territory, but this series was dropped after filming the pilot. Read that the show itself is being redeveloped, but it will likely be a whole new cast/story.

These kinds of situations always leave me wondering if there's something else BTS that we the general public don't know about. Coughing up a licensing fee seems so easy to do for these big networks, but that's the reason for cancellation of a show that wasn't struggling?? I think that either the reason given isn't the real one, or somebody (on either side) wanted to cancel it no matter what and any reason - no matter how insignificant or silly - would work to do it.

What's really gross about it is, it was co-owned, so they couldn't split the licensing fee bill?? This is part of the reason I wait and watch/binge shows 'after the fact'. Might end in a spot I don't like, but at least I know it is the end before going in and not getting disappointed by cancellation news at the time.

Considering how just about everything wrapped up so 'neatly' in that finale, I think the PTB either knew or had a very good indication that this could be it. I truly believe there would not have been a Miggy kiss at the end of the finale if they knew a S5 was on deck. The writers & producers loved dragging that whole WT/WT scenario out ad nauseam. I think there would have been dialogue that would have seen both providing hard-to-miss hints that they had feelings for the other, but not the outright sharing with each other about those feelings and the kiss we ended up with.

Slightest of slight chance (theoretically) that the problem is solved & decision is reversed and they shift it to Paramount+, or other streaming service, but won't be holding my breath for that outcome. Thing I liked most about Magnum - aside from the Hawaiian scenery - was despite it being a procedural show, it wasn't the least bit rigid about said procedure(s). Instead of needing to wait for a warrant, Magnum just lock-picked his way into locations, or they did things as needed without following orders & waiting for backup, etc, among many instances. About all there is for primetime programming on CBS or NBC now, procedurals with rigid procedures - be it cop shows, FBI shows, or medical shows - with an episodic overlay of "moral(s) of the day/week/month" messaging. Seen one, seen 'em all.

It could be the real reason, but I've also read that it had more to do with the series' ownership being split between CBS & NBC Universal, something along the lines of not agreeing about the payment(s) of licensing fees, etc.

Not really surprised by the cancellation news, seeing as its night-sharing sibling Blue Bloods was renewed a couple weeks back and news about Magnum was mum until now. Miggy shippers should feel a bit blessed, they got more than I wanted from the MacGyver reboot before its axe fell. They got an actual on-screen kiss - as bad as it was - and the 'likely' beginning of a romantic relationship. MacGyver was cancelled right before my OTP of that show (Mac/Riley) was going to happen in its would-have-been very next season.

.... so that explains the deafening 'SQUEE!!' sound I heard at about the time the episode was ending last night. It was all the shippers' dreams come true. Was that not the most weird awkward kiss you've ever seen, or what? It was like they - or at least one of them - was going for the whole 'tongue down throat' kinda liplock action, only no tongues actually involved at any time. Cringey. @Maverick, they better not do that - the immediate 'better off as friends' angst after getting together - or I might just quit watching, even with as much fun as it is to snark the hell out of this show. Because we all know that if they pull what you outlined above, its just gonna restart the whole WT/WT (again) rollercoaster ride. And once is enough, TYVM. Gordy will already be back on the job to start S5, or will spend the first few episodes as the 'third wheel' in the PI biz before being reinstated at HPD. There was no way they were gonna have Suzy either die or be in a coma, etc, with the big dual 'feelings reveal' to end the episode/season coming right afterwards, so that whole buildup was dumb and unnecessary. All it accomplished was to make sure all the supporting cast - aside from Cade (who's in TN) - got a little screen time to end the season. Lame-o. JH told us he hoped that Miggy wouldn't happen - at least not this season - even slightly implying it wouldn't happen. So much for that. I bring it up because JH has said in very recent interviews that he's confident that the series will be renewed, despite it being all quiet so far on that front from CBS (so far). Should one buy in to his confidence of a S5, or is he talking out his rear on that like he was about the Miggy stuff? ETA: The "Lia coming from the direction of the bedroom, but only because she was too drunk to drive home" stall to Higgy's confessing at the beginning of the episode. POINTLESS. We all knew the whole feelings confession wouldn't happen until right before 'fade to black' anyways, so why create fake drama just cuz?? Combine that with the start of the previous episode - "let's hang out (so I can tell you how I feel)" / "sorry, can't, gotta do a picnic date with what's-their-face"- and its crap like that, that sours me on the whole WT/WT merry-go-round we have to endure to reach a show's canon OTP. Tedious and pointless, all of it.

"Lots of emo and a couple of cliffhangers". Welp, we know what one - or knowing these writers and showrunners, both - of those cliffhangers will be. Anyone who expects to see the ultimate actualization of the most obvious aspect of the show currently, in this finale, is just trying to fool themselves. And now that we know the canonization of Miggy will be officially put off until next season - maybe, who knows with these ptb, could be delayed for another season(s) - I will be fairly surprised if the series is renewed. All this agonizingly blatant and boring setup for it, and the series will end up being cancelled before they actually start the relationship or even kiss.

That green screen shot is so crappy, I bet its a dream - or some other non-reality - sequence. The backdrop is that appallingly apparent, and bad.

Maybe I absolutely need to read the books first, but after watching the first 90 minutes (Aftermath, pilot episodes), I feel like I have whiplash - at least on the Banks/Cabbot front. I knew from a brief summary that Banks & Cabbot would be a thing, but not that fast! Maybe I am just too used to American TV series, and their insistent need to drag the WT/WT on and on and on and on between the lead characters, but this was crazy quick. All in the opening ~45 minutes, the two went from a seemingly difficult first meeting, unhappy working relationship at the beginning, then she almost runs him down in the parking garage, they go for drinks, end up at his house and would have banged if not for the phone & case news interrupting. Felt like I was watching abbreviated opening episode, the 'relationship' moved that fast. Seemed weird and disjointed, but maybe just me. *shrugs*

After watching 4.19, they better make Miggy canon at the end of the episode on Friday night. Renewed or not, you can't come this far and keep delaying it. I can just imagine the hardcore shippers' furious anguish if the finale ends on the cliffhanger such as one of the two admitting their feelings for the other and the recipient is in the process of answering as the screen goes black. ..... And then for what would be the ultimate kick in the nuts (for the shippers), a few days/weeks afterwards, we would learn of the news that the series got the axe from CBS.

In agreement above about Higgins' awesomeness. I am all about her being tough, skilled and resourceful. Wouldn't be of much help to the PI partnership if she were in constant need of protecting and/or rescuing, but they could have handled it better. You don't need to 'nerf' the main character to prop up the main supporting character, but that's what they did. Wondering how Magnum finished any cases or got any 'street cred' built up on his own, prior to the start of the series. Ever since it started, Higgins has done the vast majority of the heavy lifting when in it comes to getting anything done, especially technologically. And considering all the "you owe us (monetarily)" griping that the Ohana does about him, Magnum is always portrayed as a lazy selfish mooch. What a wonderful portrayal you provide of him, writers. [/sarcasm]

I hear you, but when they genderbent OG Higgins and made her a very close to the same age (as Magnum) version, my immediate thought was that 'Miggy' would eventually end up canon - it was practically a given in how things work in TV scripting for the past 3 decades (at least) - just maybe not right away. Why else would they both start out unattached as well as still dealing with semi-recent heartache-y pasts? The setup was there right from the very beginning. Don't have to like it, but its not at all a surprise that its happening. (imo)

That's the thing, there is no drama to be had - aside from the created WT/WT crap that writers throw in the characters' paths. Everyone and their dogs & cats know that Miggy is gonna happen, its just a matter of when. TPTB dragging it out is not doing the characters & show any real favors. There's nothing to wonder about, aside from when the 'OTP' will finally become canon officially.