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Good to see MJ make a mature decision regarding the embryos with Lee. Old MJ would have kept them and figure out a way to get implanted. Love Kara, but I'm also tired of this Latina huevos mami. Original recipe Kara didn't speak Spanish. She struggled balancing her Latina and more general ". " cultures. It was a perspective I had not seen on tv before and found interesting.

Hey hey now. The Rock is perfect as he is. Spencer in his plaid suit, leaning against the wall watching the 2 brothers argue was the definition of FINE. Plus as much female nudity and women walking around in lingerie (Does Charles's wife own clothes?) packed into every episode, we deserve some male eye candy as well.

Justin's classmate, I think they called her Chatty Kathy, outed her. I agree that Paul Jr. is probably Superfly's son. They made too big a point of repeatedly saying all of this went down 44 years ago. MJ is over 40, so Paul Jr. is the right age for a WTD storyline.

Still catching up with this half of the season. I've always enjoyed Kara as a character, but I'm not feeling how they've changed her back story. I remember in one of the early seasons she was dating a Latino community leader, and she was embarrassed because she didn't speak Spanish. I got the impression she didn't date many Latino men, and wasn't heavily involved in the Latino community. Now it's Papi this and Papi that, yelling about her Mafongo, and fussing at Orlando in Spanish on the phone.

We can all agree that DeMario is a jerk. And just like Rachel, most of us have experienced a DeMario at least once or twice. That being said, I'm not really feeling sorry for Lexi. I don't know if her story is 100% true, 100% false, or somewhere in between, but she went on the show to disparage his character and seek her 15 minutes of fame. She wouldn't need to worry about preconceived ideas about her, if she hadn't gone on the show to confront a man who obviously didn't give two licks about her. That was Lexi's bad choice.

This.... As soon as he said it I knew all of Lee's contrition was an act. A lot of people want to label Lee is ignorant. He even tried to blame his actions on ignorance. But what we saw on the show, was someone who was very calculated. A master of manipulation and passive aggressive tactics. He knew what he was doing, when he kept pushing the Kenny is violent narrative. He knew what he was doing pushing Eric's buttons and labeling him violent. And I'm pretty sure he knew what he was doing when he commented on Anthony being well-spoken. Those were not the actions of a culturally ignorant person. Will (I think it was him) even tried during the show to explain to him the racial implications of labeling a black man violent. He didn't seem to be all that receptive to learning cultural sensitivity then. Instead he accused Kenny of playing the race card. But now, we're supposed to believe the poor little ignorant Lee story.... NOPE!

This show is in need of a serious reboot if it's going to continue. The Stevie/Mimi/Joseline story has hopefully fully played itself out. Mona needs to add another big name hip hop cast member vs these social media "celebs" and assorted hoochies she keeps adding. Waka doesn't appear to be that interested in the show, and he and Tami aren't interesting enough to carry a major storyline. Seems like they are pushing the Kurt/Rashida paternity drama into next season. Scrappy's gone to Miami. Karli and Joc are good pot stirrers and comic relief, but I hope we never get a full fledged love triangle story with them. Bring back K Michelle. Heck even the girl from Dirty Money and her husband were even more interesting than this current bunch.

Billy Ocean? Morris Day? Inquiring minds want to know!

I heard her say something along the lines of some men in their family had certain (criminal/relationship) issues because of how their mothers raised them. There are mothers, sometimes single mothers, who raise their sons to be substitute husbands almost. Meaning they overly dote on them and do not teach them accountabilty, responsibility and consequences, etc. Sounds like that was what Eric's mom thought she was trying not to do. But the end result was still "some seriously fucked up bullshit" Dean and his dad - I want Iyanla to come Fix Their Lives...LOL. Both unable to see past their own pain, to be able to relate to the other.

Being uncomfortable, should make a person more aware. So when they see the behavior in their regular life, they recognize it, rather than act like it doesn't exist.

Oh how I wish that was true...LOL..... If Kenny had included a line in his rap about Rachel being from the hood it would be equally head scratching. But he didn't.... I think this season has been plenty fun so far. It is considered a reality show.... And in reality people of color encounter many of things featured on this show on a regular basis. Yes, some of it is producer driven. But not all of it. It's a good thing that it makes people uncomfortable.

That's exactly how I took her breakdown. I assumed it was filmed after production told her she had to keep Lee. Rachel is not dumb. She noticed exactly who Lee was having issues with. She knows exactly what it means when a white man describes a black man as aggressive (especially when no one else does). Last week the show portrayed Lee as a general A-hole. This week they let us know that aspects of his A-holery are racially motivated. So the only satisfying conclusion for this story line next week, is for Lee to be gone. Hopefully with a smack down from Rachel even more epic than the one she gave Demario when he tried to come back. I don't think Rachel is concerned about America's perception of the race of the man she chooses. If she was, she wouldn't have done the show. She knew the show would feature her making out and being romantic with men of a variety of races. And since the majority of the cast are not men of color, chances are pretty decent that the man she chooses won't be either. Rooting for Kenny. Don't think she'll pick him. But I hope she at least gives him some serious consideration. Eric reminds me of a good friend of mine, so I have a soft spot for him. But he has absolutely no physical chemistry with Rachel. Shocked tickle monster is still there. LOL. I wasn't terribly offended by Peter's use of the word "hood". It wasn't a good choice of words But it kinda fit in with his corny rapping skills.

I'm not a fan of Maxine's character, and I've now realized it's because she doesn't fit in with the rest of the family. I too wonder why she would date Jerrod. Both Jerrod and his brother get the side eye for commenting so negatively on Maxine's coworkers appearance. Neither of them will ever end up People magazine's Sexiest Man Alive issue.....LOL

And how was Michaela's tactics any different than Ozzy's, Zeke's or Debbie's, etc?. They all had questions/comments that were very targeted in their purpose to support their pick. Her point, was regarding the topic that was being discussed, Brad's (lack of) social game. Had Brad answered her question better, instead of fumbling/bumbling the facts from her bio, he may not have gotten her vote, but he may have gotten someone else's vote who went into final council on the fence. Let's say if he had answered the question by talking about things he had observed of Michaela and kept it semi positive. He could have said she's funny, competitive, a bit of a hot head, tell it like it is type, etc, but he kept his distance from her for XYZ game reasons. That way he could have separated his game relationship with her from his personal feelings about her. Instead he came off as dismissive and a jerk, confirming other jury members thoughts.

It's not that she views the world through a racial lens, it's the racial lens in which the world views her. She is very cognizant of that, as are most African Americans. I view her comments about Cirie and Sandra, no different from the guy (can't remember his name) who came out to to Zeke. He said they bonded because they were both gay . It's also no different from all the various cliques that form on this show. There's usual a dude-bro group, a pretty people group, a misfit group, etc. People are naturally drawn to other people like themselves, especially in Survivor. You kinda proved her point regarding Tony. Both are loud and aggressive but Tony got a different type of criticism than Michaela. Is aggressiveness and loudness was generally viewed as entertaining and positive. I'll give you Cirie and Valencia, for not being labeled the angry black woman. But the good number of the other black females on this show have been labeled just that and tended to be early boots. I think in the parade interview she did a great job of taking responsibility for her mistakes in the game. I did not get any racial overtones regarding her comments regarding the compass challenge. She said she didn't know what a rose compass was because she doesn't hike or boat. Whereas someone like Brad (who lives near water, and is older and richer) might be exposed to it. Nothing racial there (but there goes that racial lens by which the world views.....)

Sandra egged it on because she knew JT didn't like Michaela. And at that point we'd already seen him make negative remarks about her. Sandra also confirmed during the tribal council that Michaela did a lot of work around camp. Re: the #gofish scene, We only saw 30 seconds of what was definitely a much longer conversation. What was left on the cutting room floor is most likely the conversation that Michaela and culpepper were referring to in the later scenes. I don't think either were liars.

Pretty much everything we saw of JT's and Michaela's interactions was him being awful and negative towards her. We've seen lots of footage of JT, Culpepper, Troyzan, and Aubry calling Michaela lazy and making other negative statements about her character. But Michaela's criticisms of others tended to be game related. Her frustrations and "attitude" that we saw tended to be game related and during challenges. Similar behaviors that Ozzy or other male contestants have exhibited.

Ummm...no. Nor does being biracial make someone conservative. Nor is there anything wrong with being conservative or biracial or black. It appears you're trying to make a larger point, but I'm not sure what that is. My original point was about the natural curly/kinky hair worn by the former and current Miss USA, and how positive it was to see in a beauty pageant.

I thought she appeared biracial. I believe they mentioned that she was born in Europe (can't remember the country) and her mother was from that country. That plus the hair and features, and seemingly conservative political views made me think biracial. By kinky glory I meant, that it appeared to be her natural hair. No weave, no bone straight hair. Hair texture like mine. Hair not often viewed as appealing, appropriate or beautiful. Not "pageant" hair. There were several women of color in the top 10. Nice to see such diversity of skin tone and hair.

Yeah her... When I heard her say something along the lines that she wasn't a feminist because she didn't hate men, I thought she'd lost. Was very surprised that she won. Was not impressed with her answers at all. But I can't say that any of the contestants rocked the interview questions. Does Trump still own Miss USA/Miss Universe, that might explain it... LOL

I've noticed that in that thread as well. A lot of commenters were saying that Ashley was too pretty for her husband. But when I look in her face, I thought she was pretty plain/average and that she and her husband were a decent match looks wise. People are easily distracted by long blond hair. Sheila is very pretty, her husband is just a'ight...LOL Caught the tail end of the Miss USA pageant last night, and was impressed that the the winner, who appeared to be bi-racial sported her natural curly hair. But I LOVED when the reigning Miss USA walked out rocking her kinky curly natural do in all it's glory. She was stunning.

For the same reason that women call themselves/each other THOTs or Bitches, or a gay person may use the F word. It's a complicated issue, and there's not just one answer. Because they think it makes them sound cool/hip, because of some level of self-hate, because they don't know how to articulate themselves without cursing, or just because. But context is important. And there are very few scenarios where a white person can use the word in a context that is appropriate. As for the DWP example, singing along to a song lyric is not an appropriate context IMO.

I'm sure Simone has hammed it up with karaoke before. I don't think she suffers from lack of fun in her life. I just don't think she knows be anything other than technically perfect in a competitive setting. You have to remember that many in the gymnastics world believe that Simone Biles is the best that's ever done it. She is known for rarely making mistakes. That comes from a very intense work ethic. She does not know how to turn that off. When she said she's been competing for 9 years and hasn't experienced a lot of emotions, I felt kinda bad for her. CAI also looked a little sad when she said that. She's not ready for an emotional break through via dance, and I wish the judges would quit pushing for it so hard.

Michaela is playing a pretty bad social game, but still love her. I do think that if she was a man, her actions would be viewed differently. She is a very competitive girl, and when she doesn't get a chance to compete, she lets you know she doesn't like it. Imagine if that scenario had happened to Ozzy. He probably would have huffed and puffed too, rather than sit there quietly and cheer everyone else on. I will admit to getting verklempt watching Cirie finish the challenge. But I'm a sucker for an underdog story. I also took Michaela's reaction to that scene as her feeling emotional for Cirie, and not wanting to show it.

Yeah, but Kenya always messes up those mea culpas by throwing in some additional shade. It's like she can't help herself...lol.