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Arrow “Second Chances” (S5:E11): Hello Dinah Posted on February 2, 2017 by Kelly Konda https://weminoredinfilm.com/2017/02/02/arrow-second-chances-s5e11-hello-dinah/

So through "5 years in hell" that traversed the globe, Oliver managed to hang onto Laurel's pic, Yao Fei/Shado's hood and Yao Fei's old bow.

Agents of GEEK Podcast Episode 59 Craig Wack & Tatiana Torres 02/02/2017 http://agentsofgeekpodcast.com/wordpress/ -- Craig wasn't sure if he liked 511 or not. Tatiana also had mixed feelings about this episode. She felt that a lot of times lately she's wondering why the Arrow writers are doing what they're doing. She liked the Felicity story, although she thought the hacktivist part was "a bit contrived" but it was good "to see her get a win in." She liked seeing Oliver, Rene and Curtis in their scenes (Tatiana mistakenly thought they were in Central City), but felt it was "convoluted how they got their information" about Tina, with Captain Singh taking a call from the Green Arrow. Craig noted that there were inconsistencies there that they "sort of fudged on because they wanted the 'Martha' reveal at the end of the episode." They wondered why they didn't just have Grant Gustin show up for a shot, since the shows film right next to each other. -- Tatiana thought the Talia flashback was a ret-con which contradicted what we saw on the show before. She noted that Oliver learned how to shoot an arrow and decided to wear the Hood because of Shado. So she thought the show was ret-conning Oliver's origin story. -- Craig thought the set-up for them finding a new Black Canary "was kinda lame," with the team going through various paper resumes of candidates and determining whether or not they were "worthy." He said that it "really rang false, considering, like, everyone who's on the team now, they had to drag on." Craig noted that, before, Oliver had to be forced into adding onto the team, but now he's all "gung-ho" about adding someone to the team. -- Craig also noted that "there's not a peep out of Prometheus" while Oliver adds a new member to his team and also Diggle gets released from jail. So Prometheus is on vacation while Team Arrow adds two members. -- Craig thought that this episode needed Evelyn Sharp because "there was no pressure for them to do anything." She could've talked with Rory since they both suffered losses and could've bonded over that. The episode could've "sacrificed one scene of Rene eating cheeseburgers" in order to include a Rory/Evelyn scene. -- Craig noted that, once again, all Rory did was "spout Yiddish words and look baffled." Tatiana thought that Rory was useless: "He does not fight crime except once in a blue moon... He does not hack, he does not invent." Craig: "His costume's too expensive. I think that's what it boils down to." -- Tatiana thought that this episode seemed "like filler because there was no Big Bad, there was no, like, real character movement - I mean, there was a little bit with Felicity, but it wasn't like, you know, anybody took a huge leap." She said that they just had a filler episode. -- Craig did like the back story of the new Black Canary, having gone through her own "island" and feeling "hollow in the same ways" as Oliver did. -- Tatiana thought that the team is "huge" now and that they need to get rid of someone. She also reminded Craig that there's still Thea and Quentin, and wondered what they were doing. We haven't seen Thea "in forever." -- They both thought that Prometheus needed to kill someone on the team. Craig speculated that Curtis might be killed off, but Tatiana disagreed. They noted that Curtis is now on the right track to being a superhero using tech. -- Craig had mixed feelings about this episode because "there was stuff that was worthwhile in it, ultimately, but the journey was just, like, - it was just terrible... I mean, it felt full of plot holes and inconsistencies and things that were, you know, done or not done specifically for plot reasons." He again mentioned that Prometheus conveniently took a break (just like Damian Darhk did last year). -- Craig speculated that Prometheus is Talia al Ghul. He thought that we'll see a very old Talia in present day "because who f**ked up the Lazarus Pit? Oliver Queen."

I'm still confused. Did Oliver get the hood directly from Talia or from Shado?

Arrow 5x11 Review: "Second Chances" (Will the Real Black Canary Please Stand Up?) Just About Write Feb. 2, 2017 http://www.itsjustaboutwrite.com/2017/02/arrow-5x11-review-second-chances-will.html

Olicity Queen stopped posting vids after 505. I've been finding episode clips posted by Heroes Club and Arrow... Arrow - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtiCOweGmyKAO2odjX0qiDg Heroes Club - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl2vAna7TGmH2iCIxeV_z1g

Is 513 the first time that they've centered an episode around a character (complete with flashbacks) who's a recurring character (Wild Dog), and not a series regular?

Arrow Finally Brings Out the True Black Canary James Whitbrook Feb. 2, 2017 http://io9.gizmodo.com/arrow-finally-brings-out-the-true-black-canary-1791917626#_ga=1.190059363.933706618.1486123709

To “Second Chances”: Arrow Finds A Possible New Black Canary In Dinah Drake Verena Cote Feb. 2, 2017 http://www.4ye.co.uk/2017/02/to-second-chances-arrow-finds-a-possible-new-black-canary-in-dinah-drake/

Videos of 511 scenes with Felicity - sometimes includes other scenes as well in same video (courtesy of Heroes Club)... Arrow 5x11 Oliver & Team Arrow - Part #2 Arrow 5x11 Oliver & Team Arrow meets Tina Boland - Part #4 Arrow 5x11 Green Arrow, Wild Dog & Tina Boland - Part #6 Arrow 5x11 Felicity & Rory - Part #9 Arrow 5x11 Felicity & her fan - Part #10 Arrow 5x11 Oliver becomes Arrow - Part #12

This was retweeted by @SmoaknArrow...

Talia al Ghul, a surprise cameo and a new Canary in the latest Arrow Trent Moore Feb 02, 2017 11:00am http://www.blastr.com/2017-2-2/talia-al-ghul-surprise-cameo-and-new-canary-latest-arrow

One of the media reviewers commented that this episode ret-conned Oliver's Hood origin story - that what we saw in previous seasons was that Oliver inherited the hood suit from Shado,* who was the one who taught him how to shoot an arrow, and that he inherited his S1 bow from Yao Fei. I don't recall any more. Is this true? (* Suits on this show magically adapt to the person wearing them. Just like Roy's Arsenal suit shrunk to fit Thea's Speedy. Just like Laurel's BC suit will probably adapt to fit Tina/Dinah - maybe.) Well, I guess we know now why Evelyn Sharp had to be the traitor and removed from the team. Otherwise, Team Arrow would have two members with the canary cry - Evelyn with her sonic cry device and Tina/Dinah with her metahuman cry. If Evelyn returns in a future episode, I wonder if she'll use her sonic device - and it'll be canary cry versus canary cry.

I was looking at this SpoilerTV readers' poll and, currently, only 39% thought this episode was "Awesome" while 31% thought it was "Awful" (iirc, the "Awesome" vote is usually much higher for an Arrow episode)... POLL : What did you think of Arrow - Second Chances? http://www.spoilertv.com/2017/02/poll-what-did-you-think-of-arrow-second.html

I love the reviewer's comment that it's Sara's shoes, not Laurel's, that were impossible to fill... Arrow 5×11 Review: ‘Second Chances’ ALYSSA BARBIERI Feb. 2, 2017 http://fangirlish.com/arrow-5x11-review-second-chances/

No, I don't believe so. 511 dialogue only mentioned her police background. Even when Curtis pulled up her police bio on his computer, we couldn't get a good look at it to see her pre-cop history.

This season is half over. Are they spreading that word-of-mouth by carrier pigeon? With social media and texting, word-of-mouth shouldn't be a problem. Yet wait... this summer, we'll still read complaints that Olicity killed Arrow, ignoring the fact that the show will probably have spent an entire season in the No Olicity Romance Zone. As for the Arrow EPs, I think they're just writing the stories that they want to see and they're all big comics fans. Being on The CW, they probably don't care about ratings... unless they really nose-dive. But the show is already renewed for S6. If you read the 2012 interviews back when Arrow first debuted, the EPs de-emphasized the comics/superhero elements and stressed the drama, characters and relationships. With the success of The Flash, Supergirl, etc. and their expanded Arrowverse, it's like they now feel free to go all out comics-wise.

I completely agree. I just realized that, per show canon so far, there's no mention of a military background for Tina/Dinah. (I had forgotten that the former marine description was from those fake casting sides.) So we're really talking about someone like Kate Beckett with a metahuman power, unless there's more we don't know. It's been only three years since Tina/Dinah got her canary cry. Diggle should be a better fighter than a police detective. And Sara had said that she "was trained by the people that make the Special Forces look like a kindergarten class."

Someone asked Kacey Rohl on twitter if she was going to appear in future episodes, and she replied that "you'll have to wait & see!" However, she also has a recurring role on Syfy's The Magicians this season. So I imagine if she does return to Arrow this year, it'll only be for one or two episodes at most. There's also this spec, which sounds like wishful thinking...

Video of big Dinah Drake reveal scene (courtesy of The Flash)...

T3 Athletics posted more vids of SA and JS working out...

511 comments by Laura Hurley (now Deputy TV Editor of CinemaBlend, as of yesterday)...

With the way things are going, the EPs will probably send SA and JH from Arrow (and maybe DR).

I usually don't post reviews from this site because the male reviewer, Chris Haley, hates Felicity but previously admitted that he had trouble articulating why he hates her. However, I'm posting this review because even he doesn't like the new BC story (although it sounds like he hates Arrow in general and is only watching because he gets paid to review it).. 'Arrow’ Post-Show Analysis: Season 5 Episode 11: ‘Second Chances’ by CA Post-Show Team February 2, 2017 9:00 AM http://comicsalliance.com/arrow-season-5-episode-11-second-chances/