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Arrow "Legends of Yesterday" Review: Such an Easy (and Fun) Game to Play By Noel Kirkpatrick 14 hours ago http://www.tv.com/shows/arrow/community/post/arrow-season-4-episode-8-legends-of-yesterday-review-144873472971/

MTV lists its 9 best moments from 408 (even Kayti has trouble putting a good spin on Oliver's decision)... Barry Travels Through Time, But Can’t Fix Oliver’s Love Life In ‘Arrow’ by kayti burt 13h ago http://www.mtv.com/news/2619105/arrow-the-flash-crossover-review-legends-of-yesterday/

408 reviews by jbuffyangel and JustAboutWrite (they are not happy)... SWEETHEART, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO US: LEGENDS OF YESTERDAY 4X08 REVIEW DECEMBER 03, 2015 @ 02:38 http://jbuffyangel.tumblr.com/post/134453217538/sweetheart-what-have-you-done-to-us-legends-of Arrow 4x08 "Legends of Yesterday" (Time Travel is Really Hard to Write About) 7:01 PM http://www.itsjustaboutwrite.com/2015/12/arrow-4x08-legends-of-yesterday-time.html

The reincarnated Hawks and immortal villain aren’t even the craziest thing on this Arrow/Flash team-up By Alasdair Wilkins Dec 2, 2015 8:00 PM http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/reincarnated-hawks-and-immortal-villain-arent-even-229221

Washington Post review of 408... ‘The Arrow’ TV recap: Against the evil darkness, it’s time to amass Justice League Light By David Betancourt December 3 at 9:00 AM https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp/2015/12/03/the-arrow-tv-recap-against-the-evil-darkness-its-time-to-amass-justice-league-light/

Review of 408 by Erik Kain, Forbes Contributor (remember, he's not an Olicity fan) ... 'Arrow' Season 4, Episode 8 Review: 'Legends Of Yesterday Erik Kain DEC 3, 2015 @ 10:18 AM http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2015/12/03/arrow-season-4-episode-8-review-legends-of-yesterday/

Remember when SA said this during his GA panel at the Heroes & Villains FanFest on Nov. 21 when he was talking about the advantages of having a long-running show (versus a movie)? SA: "You have the ability to get real-time audience feedback... As an example, we started shooting our first season, and we shot nine episodes by the time the first episode airs. But then you get to gage the reaction of what the audience thinks and you get to cater your stories to what they either enjoy, or what really really pisses them off... Both of which are the same emotion, by the way. The only thing we don't want is indifference." I think that he and the EPs will learn that fan enjoyment and fan anger are not the same emotion - and that indifference is sometimes better than anger.

Yahoo review of 408 (yes, reviewer mistakenly calls Samantha "Sandra")... 'Arrow' Recap: The Flash Arrives, and Everybody Dies Robert Chan December 2, 2015 https://www.yahoo.com/tv/arrow-recap-flash-crossover-legends-of-yesterday-015935233.html

From Robert Dougherty's review (see TheMovieNetwork link above)... ITA

Diana Gabaldon, author of Outlander, managed to keep Jamie & Clare a couple through multiple adventures. Why can't the Arrow EPs manage to do the same? (throw hands up in frustration)

Erik Kain, Forbes Contributor, loved Flash 208... 'The Flash' Season 2, Episode 8 Review: 'Legends Of Today' DEC 2, 2015 @ 01:30 PM http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2015/12/02/the-flash-season-2-episode-8-review-legends-of-today/

Laura Hurley has been busy writing about 408 (she is spot on as usual).. 'Arrow' S04E08: Baby mama drama sets everything back in 'Legends of Yesterday' http://www.examiner.com/article/arrow-s04e08-baby-mama-drama-sets-everything-back-legends-of-yesterday Arrow: 3 Big Ways Oliver's Kid Could Have Major Consequences http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Arrow-3-Big-Ways-Oliver-Kid-Could-Have-Major-Consequences-102977.html 5 Things The Flash And Arrow Crossover Revealed About Legends Of Tomorrow http://www.cinemablend.com/television/5-Things-Flash-Arrow-Crossover-Revealed-About-Legends-Tomorrow-103037.html How Arrow Introduced Vandal Savage http://www.cinemablend.com/television/How-Arrow-Introduced-Vandal-Savage-102937.html

Captain America: Civil War: Chris Evans on Cap's fight for Winter Soldier BY ANTHONY BREZNICAN December 2 2015 — 4:58 PM EST http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/02/captain-america-civil-war-splash-page

Worst episode of the season. Poorly conceived (ridiculous storylines). Poorly written (some lines made no sense whatsoever). Poorly executed (despite the expensive special effects). LoT portions were poorly acted (toss-up between FH, CR, CV and CC for worst actor). Flashbacks were laughably bad. Oliver was an idiot (again). P.S. When Oliver agreed to Samantha's terms (the second time around), I was desperately hoping that he was wearing a comm so that Felicity could overhear their entire conversation. Therefore, he wouldn't be technically telling anyone. P.P.S. If this was the EPs testing out Samantha as a potential future love interest for Oliver, this episode is not going to make her popular with fans.

Samantha is a POS - not a good person at all.

Alan Sepinwall's short review of 408... Review: 'Arrow' - 'Legends of Yesterday': Hawkman, Hawkgirl, and baby mama drama By Alan Sepinwall | Wednesday, Dec 2, 2015 9:03 PM http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-arrow-legends-of-yesterday-hawkman-hawkgirl-and-baby-mama-drama

Samantha's request was selfish and shortsighted - she was willing to let her son grow up without knowing the identity of his father or thinking that his father didn't care. She was willing to destroy Oliver's relationship with his girlfriend. Oliver should've just refused her request and taken her to court to get legal visitation rights.

I don't think it's William or Samantha in the grave. However, after last night's episode, I fear that Olicity are headed toward a breakup near the end of the season - which would explain why Oliver is standing alone at the gravesite in the flashforward. If so, then my hope is that Oliver asks Felicity to give him another chance in the season finale - and they spend the summer hiatus rebuilding their relationship.

According to TV Guide, the Flash/Arrow crossover episodes will re-air on Monday, December 7, at 8 - 10 pm EST (Flash at 8, Arrow at 9).

Vulture (Jenny Raftery) review of 408... Arrow Recap: Staff Infection By Jenny Raftery December 2, 2015 9:05 p.m. http://www.vulture.com/2015/12/arrow-recap-season-4-episode-8.html?mid=twitter-share-vulture https://twitter.com/rafteryish/status/672245533923278848

Thanks! For future reference purposes, I'm breaking out the various article links on that SpoilerTV page here (nothing much spoilery that you couldn't guess from watching last night's episode)... 'Arrow' Bosses Talk Oliver's Secret Son, Brutal Ramifications for Olicity: There Will Be 'Serious Consequences' by Philiana Ng 6:00 PM PST, December 02, 2015 http://www.etonline.com/tv/177260_arrow_bosses_on_oliver_son_william_and_olicity_future/ Arrow Bosses on How Oliver's Secret Will Raise the 'Olicity' Stakes — Plus: The Cost of Barry's Big Move By Vlada Gelman / December 2 2015, 6:01 PM PST http://tvline.com/2015/12/02/arrow-oliver-lies-about-his-son-to-felicity-season-4-spoilers/ AFTER THE CROSSOVER, WHAT'S NEXT FOR ARROW, THE FLASH AND LEGENDS OF TOMORROW BY ERIC GOLDMAN / 2 DEC 2015 http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/12/03/after-the-crossover-whats-next-for-arrow-the-flash-and-legends-of-tomorrow ‘Arrow’-‘Flash’ Crossover: Producers Discuss Oliver’s Secret, ‘Serious Consequences’ Ahead DECEMBER 2, 2015 | 06:00PM PT Laura Prudom http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/arrow-flash-crossover-oliver-son-william-connor-hawke-felicity-secret-1201652241/ 'The Flash,' 'Arrow' EPs Talk Shocking Crossover Conclusion, Future 'Olicity' Fallout DECEMBER 02, 2015 6:00pm PT by Sydney Bucksbaum http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/flash-arrow-eps-shocking-crossover-845103?utm_source=twitter Arrow-Flash bosses on Olicity twist, Vandal's future and more BY NATALIE ABRAMS December 2 2015 — 9:00 PM EST http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/02/arrow-flash-crossover-legends-spoilers-oliver-kid

'The Flash' Recap: 'The Rules Keep Changing' in an 'Arrow' Crossover Robert Chan December 1, 2015 https://www.yahoo.com/tv/the-flash-recap-arrow-crossover-legends-of-today-015723255.html

Short review of Flash 208 by a reviewer who's a Flash fan... The Flash Portion Of The Crossover Event Is So Part 1 It Hurts BY NICK VENABLE 14 HOURS AGO http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Flash-Portion-Crossover-Event-So-Part-1-It-Hurts-102837.html

'The Flash,’ ‘Arrow’ Crossover Charts Course Toward ‘Tomorrow’ Land (SPOILERS) DECEMBER 1, 2015 | 06:30PM PT Brian Lowry http://variety.com/2015/tv/columns/the-flash-arrow-crossover-review-dcs-legends-of-tomorrow-1201651107/

Proof that I've been spending too much time in this forum... Whenever someone said "Velocity 6" during the Flash episode last night, I thought of Velocity23.