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I also loved that the police chief's reasoning was because she received an email with surveillance pictures of her dad, sister and niece. I know the implication was supposed to be that 3D knew who they were and would kill them if she didn't comply but I wish she'd just said that. Because the thought of her being worried that he has pictures of the 3 of them just being lazy asses at home makes me LOL.

Since SA seems pretty clear that Oliver isn't getting outed as GA, my best guess is that whatever it is that happens can technically be undone and is actually something that a superhero show has done before. Just going by Arrow logic.

Points if the audience gets amnesia and forgets all the awful crap they’ve thrown our way through the years.

Season 7 starts with Oliver running and occasionally losing his balance, then making jokes about how much room he has in his shoes.

No, I mean at 1:08-ish. She says a whole sentence, the crowd makes a noise, then the moderator says something about moving on to the next question.

They've put plot over characters for years, although so far I'd say this season is the worst case of it. If some writers really are leaving, I hope it's the ones who do that (and also hope not all of them do that).

What did Chyler say at the end there? The reaction makes me think that's pretty bad as well.

If this is in response to me, I didn't write that anything was better with context? I wrote that it was good to know the context - specifically about Caity and Maisie poking fun at stereotypes as opposed to how that particular part of the conversation was presented in the tweets that I read about it. I never wrote and do not think that Caity's word choice is in any way okay.

Good to know the context - I didn't see any videos when I went looking.

Yeah, everything else that I can imagine doesn't really need to be undone necessarily - especially with the comment that he'd end the season ~alone. If everyone leaves him, they can all come back. If he's locked up, he can always get out. If he goes on the run they can clear his name.

Yeah, it seems that way. I think that was probably a really bad venue to joke like that though, given other people might not have been as easygoing about the subject as Maisie may be.

I went investigating to see what happened with the Maisie comment. From what I can gather they were at a Shethority panel, and Maisie was asked what it was like as a lesbian playing a straight character - seems like Caity said then that Maisie was too girlie to play a gay character and that Caity would teach her to be gay enough? Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know what Maisie is and isn't okay with or even if she was personally offended - which she may not have been! But yikes, the words she used, the venue she chose to use them in. Awful.

What kills me about this is that they wrote an episode where Rene felt remorse for what he'd done and asked Curtis to fix it. And then continued being outraged over Oliver not trusting him when he'd admitted that he'd betrayed Oliver and done something untrustworthy! I have a big word document for brainstorming when I write, and I use the same document for jotting down different ideas and snippets of conversations that I think of for whatever story I happen to be thinking about at the moment. It seems like the writers' room does the same thing and just throws darts at the wall and whichever idea they hit is the one they write about for the next episode, whether it fits the rest of the story or not.

Awww, the first time Rene sold Oliver out.

Oh, I wasn't trying to question her intent - I don't think she meant any harm. I just hate the "strong woman" stuff (obviously, LOL) because I don't think it's at all helpful in terms of anyone advocating for more "strong women" getting what they're actually asking for. It's like wanting a banana split with chocolate ice cream, hot sauce, nuts and three cherries on top and asking for a "sundae."

On her way out of town she's going to give the DA some pointers on how he should handle Oliver's obstruction trial.

LOL. And she's a really bad person!

I would totally agree with you if anyone had any idea what "strong" means. Even people here who are familiar with Caity are only guessing about her intent here. There can't be any meaningful advancement between how women used to be referred to and portrayed and how they should be referred to and portrayed when "strong" is the most common term used to describe the ideal. That's great, but what does it even mean? Everyone has strengths and weaknesses, places where they excel and ones where they don't - that all combines to make a complex person, which is how men are generally portrayed. With women, the "strong" ones are actually generally complex and well-rounded characters regardless of their actual strengths and weaknesses, which is why I think the wording and the approach to the conversation should change. That's what I think people should be asking for and aiming to see - and as people who are pushing something like Shethority, I'd like to see Caity and Co. do that.

So many things in this show have been so tone deaf and awful that I do believe that he could be telling the truth and they just didn't think about how bad the storyline is. But at the same time how can he be telling the truth and no one thought of how bad the storyline is? LOL

I love that he's even wrong about what they miscalculated. LOL ETA: Well, partly wrong. I won't ever care as much about the newbies (at this point I don't care about them at all), but that's not this story's biggest problem by a long shot.

It would make me feel a little better to know if in the production process when these storylines were being dreamed up someone said, "You know, maybe we shouldn't build a whole half-season arc around the newbies getting mad about not being trusted when they're actually being untrustworthy?" and Marc just ignored the complaints or if there truly wasn't anyone in the whole lot of them who thought this was a nonsensical bad idea.

Yes, I know. Male characters - even those whose characteristics and writing were they a female would get them labeled "weak" - are usually judged by the content of their characters and how they're written - not generalized or categorized as a group like women are. But how do we ever get to the point of classifying all women as "strong" if we keep calling out certain characteristics in a general way as representing someone who's "strong" and others as belonging to someone who is "weak"? You're still referring to a subset of the population as "weak" or - like Caity did - "not that great."

That's my issue with it. It's such a useless statement, because it's all up to the reader/listener's interpretation and it narrows the options for a whole wide range of personality types and strengths/weaknesses to be divided into two categories: "strong" or "weak." Summarizing a woman into something to be admired or something to be looked down on. But doing things for other people, not being physically strong, or not having a high IQ doesn't make a person weak. If this is all that's shown of a character, that makes them one-dimensional and not fully realized or well-written, which is - IMO - the better way to phrase it if you're going to actually change the conversation regarding writing for and perception of men vs. women in the media. The complexity of roles written for women are never going to improve to that of those written for men if the people who have the audience to elevate the conversation keep using phrasing like Caity did.

That's fine, but like I wrote above, if she's going to be the mouthpiece for something like Shethority, she in particular needs to be a little more careful about how she frames the conversation. Regardless of what the rest of the answer contained, or what she meant by it, "I'm really lucky to play a strong female character, there are a lot of female characters who aren't so great" is not the best soundbite.

There are a lot of male characters who are written poorly as well, but no one's out there talking about "strong male characters." The characteristics that make a strong character are the same for a man and a woman - and saying that Sara is a strong character leaves people to guess which characteristics she's referring to that make Sara "strong," and also insinuates that other characters who don't share those are "weak." That's why the use of "strong female character" in general is bad, and why I think this is a bad quote regardless of how she intended it. She could've listed a few things she admired about Sara so we'd know what she thinks is "strong" and admirable instead of having to guess.