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It is also very difficult for a 3 year old to eat any food that is not prepared for them.

Again, that is not accurate. When Bryn was 15 months, Bethenny explained that she had Bryn on a vegetarian diet and that she was raising her as a vegetarian with the allowance that Bryn might change her mind when she's older. Bethenny did not stop feeding Bryn meat, she did not feed her meat. This was explained in a blog post that Bethenny wrote that has since been removed, but here is an article about the blog post: http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-moms/news/bethenny-frankels-daughter-bryn-15-months-is-a-vegetarian-201129

The issue, IMO, is knowing that what you are feeding the child is going to piss off the other parent, and especially changing an agreed up diet without consulting the other parent.

Well, not to nitpick, but since the testimony was May 2014, the behavior would have been prior to that in the time between the separation and the court date, so she would have been 3 when he was feeding her meat. Unless Bethenny was testifying that he started feeding her meat in the past 2 weeks since she turned 4. I think the issue is that Bethenny, Bryn's mother, had an issue with her 3 year old being given a hot dog once in a while, even if she liked them. Jason knew that, and did it anyway of course.

According to Carole, "post Dr. Doug Ross, pre Danny Ocean". So that's after he was on ER but the before the Ocean's 11 movies. So that's like....1999-2000? Prime hot years!

Sonja was the one that chose to grab the guy and force the kiss on him, there was nothing in the dare that required forcing yourself on anyone. Sonja could have walked in the kitchen and asked for volunteers. That's what I expected.

It would have happened between the divorce filing and custody settlement, which (according to Wikipedia) was January 2013-June 2014. Bryn was born in mid 2010, so that would make her 3 years old.

That is not accurate, Bryn was not eating meat, she was eating some animal products such as cheese, but she was eating a vegetarian diet up until the divorce, when Jason then decided to start feeding Bryn meat without discussing it with Bethenny. To spite her, of course.

LOL! It was Truth or Dare. That's kind of how the game is played, that's the Dare part. There was nothing that Bethenny said that was about forcing yourself on anyone.

No, I don't think Bethenny was feeding Bryn hotdogs and suddenly decided to change to a vegetarian diet at 15 months and Jason had no clue of her decision. From what I read, Jason and Bethenny while they were married and parenting Bryn, were feeding Bryn a vegetarian, mainly organic diet for the first two years of her life. When Jason and Bethenny split, Jason decided to start feeding Bryn things that he knew Bethenny didn't want and wouldn't like (and without discussing any change with Bethenny), because he's a passive aggressive (and now it seems, aggressive aggressive) asshole who likes to push Bethenny's buttons. Absolutely. 100%. I don't think he forced them down her throat, but I don't think little Bryn decided to wake up and grill herself a hot dog and make herself some bacon.

Bethenny did not direct Sonja to force her mouth on anyone, Sonja chose to go that route, I was expecting Sonja to go and "flirt" and mention it to the guy first, or you know, get consent.

I guarantee that is exactly why he gave them to her, because he knew Bethenny didn't want it and wouldn't like it.

Or, it's about Jason trying to stick it to Bethenny through his kid.

Exactly. Those hot dogs were out of spite, Bernadette. Let me tell you about it in 50 emails I will send you in the next 24 hours so you never forget.

Bethenny also said on the show that she and her father were able to get some resolution. Which can also be true, even if she was upset that he stated he had a full life. Both can be true.

Actually, she did, I remember her saying on the show that she and father were able to get to a good place before he died, as good as could be expected, however, yes she was disappointed that he didn't express regret for their relationship having been so estranged. It is possible for both of these things to be true as well. At the end of the day, every single story cannot tell every single fact, every single time....especially when you have editors and writers who are the ones who control what is ultimately presented. That's not lying, that's making mountains out of hole mills IMO. TM Ramona.

But they are both TRUE. Bethenny was initially denied a deathbed visit, then days (I think) later she was summoned and did get a visit where they had a bit of closure. We actually saw this play out on the show. Pretty sure the fact that Bethenny was at the funeral was covered because she left LA to join Scary Island, I believe she said something about she just buried her father.

LOL, yes, there are even "contradictions" like Bethenny said seven years ago she wasn't going to have her mother involved with Bryn. She's such a LIAR!!!!

Actually, they can both be true. There was an initial reach out where Bobby refused to see Bethenny (the "denied deathbed visit"), then days later I believe, he reached out to her and they reconnected right before he died. I think this is the issue when each statement or event is picked apart into tiny microscopic pieces and analyzed for any and every "inconsistency" when the truth is that shit is just complicated. That's all.

This all seems to be predicated on the idea that Bethenny said that her father walked out and abandoned her "without a backwards glance"...but is that really what she said? Just because maybe you might not have heard about Bethenny living with her dad for a year after he left her mother, it doesn't mean that Bethenny withheld this info. In fact, here is an article in People Magazine from seven years ago that tells that exact story. “I never had a true childhood,” Frankel says, sitting barefoot on the sofa in her roomy downtown apartment after nursing Bryn and settling her down for a nap. “There was a lot of destruction: alcohol abuse, eating disorders and violent fights,” she says. The only child of legendary horse trainer Bobby Frankel and his first wife, Bernadette, Frankel was 4 years old when her father walked out, leaving her with a mother who was “extremely volatile. She was never a mother to me.” She temporarily moved with her father to Los Angeles, but Bobby Frankel “lived a very hotshot life-drugs, young girls,” she recalls. “It wasn’t a life for a little girl. I never watched cartoons. I was always at restaurants or the racetrack.” After her mother married another horse trainer, John Parisella, Frankel returned to New York at age 5 and moved at least seven times over the next 10 years. Though she occasionally visited her father, he cut her off when her mother accused him of withholding money. “He said, ‘I’m washing my hands of the whole situation,'” Frankel recalls bitterly." http://people.com/archive/cover-story-bethenny-frankel-love-saved-my-life-vol-73-no-28/ Could it be that Bethenny told the story, but not everyone heard it??

Yeah, I'm not understanding this idea that Carole was offended, it was more of a reaction to the force in which Tinsley was speaking. Where did Carole say she was offended by the suggestion that she didn't want a child?

I think it's more that some of the HW's and fans can't handle the fact that Adam might actually love Carole, and vice versa, and they are upset they are still together and they haven't gotten their humiliation and I told you so's. Adam wasn't supposed to stay with Carole this long, he was supposed to dump her and have babies with some hot young thing and leave her in the dust. He hasn't, they are still together and obviously care about each other, and clearly that wasn't supposed to happen.

If it was a one time attack (whatever it was...if he hit her, or slapped her, knocked her to the ground, whatever), I don't believe that would be the same as the years of multiple abusive episodes between her mother and step-father. I think Bethenny has issue with her mother because it was repeated over years, in front of her child, and that her mother never left. I don't believe that it's odd to have resentment over that, and as far as forgiving her step father and allowing him to meet Bryn, I believe she stated that he is a different person now. I don't think it's odd for Bethenny to forgive him, either.

I believe Bethenny did claim to have been attacked by her step father when she was 19, so I wouldn't say it's a fact that Bethenny doesn't know what it's like for someone to lay their hands on you in a violent way. Aren't these two things contradictory? Carole is only in a relationship with Adam to spite LuAnn and Carole is pushing Adam away because it's too painful to know that their relationship has an expiration date. I don't see how these can both be true. IMO, it's because neither are true.

I found it quite refreshing! I think as women, we are conditioned to put ourselves down....'ugh, I'm so fat', 'I hate my (fill in the blank)'. Add that to all the negative commentary from other people (how many times has Carole been put down with regard to her looks??). I find the fact that she thinks she's beautiful and being willing to say it loud and proud to be inspiring! You go, girl! ...and those paintings of her were stunning!