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Also, I believe Schwartz is AS BIG OF AN ASSHOLE as Sandoval, maybe even bigger. He’s a calculated, cunning, mind-fucker. I think it was during the preview for part 2… He said Katie has a long history of “diminishing his friendships”. I thought that was such a sucker punch, considering the fact that she was ALWAYS the last person he was ever concerned about - while they dated and while they were married. Did anyone catch that? Like I always throw out as a disclaimer, I can’t really stand Katie, but how she put up with his discounting of her feelings, her opinion, his total lack of consideration for her so long is just mind-boggling. I used to think of him as a douche, but he’s not enough a decent enough guy for that name. He’s just a dick. Both of those clowns named Tom cheated constantly, there is zero doubt in my mind. Why even be in relationships at all?

Those were the scenes that made my blood boil. She managed to have eye-rolling attitude every time I saw her react to Ariana talking about what she’s been through. Not only was she acting as if Ariana isn’t deserving of telling her side, but acting is if she wasn’t RESPONSIBLE for Ariana even having had that fucking experience! Who in their right mind believes they have a right to get pissed at that?! The way she would get all bashful and puppy-dog-eyed when the discussion came back to her and Tom’s hookup timeline and he’d go into specific dates and occasions, she couldn’t contain her glee. She acted flattered and as if she were basking in the glow of a lover’s walk down memory lane as she listened. She’s just completely oblivious to the fact that maybe acting like a lovesick pup while others are devastated by your actions is NOT something you want broadcast to the world. I’d call it sadistic, but I don’t think that’s accurate. It’s more like a combination of deep-seeded ignorance and absolute self-centeredness to the point that she has ZERO empathy or even basic consideration for others. Somehow she also feels entitled enough to be offended when they state facts that make her look like an asshole, as if THEY are doing her wrong. Everything is over her head, to say she’s tone-deaf is an understatement. Another part that pissed me off was when she got a little giggly satisfaction (aimed at Katie, I’m sure) when the discussion went to the kiss between her and Schwartz and he called it “liberating”. She looks at this crap as competition between she and the other women - and she still doesn’t get that she did not win. Is this level of emotional immaturity even fixable? I have to wonder. I don’t even know why I feel so compelled to try to understand it, it’s just so bizarre…🤷‍♀️

I often have amnesia when it comes to Andy and then am reminded of what a shit he is. 🤦‍♀️ Leave it to him… All the more reason for her to exit stage left and take herself out of the ring before the next round begins. Let the viewers see Ariana doing well, Tom continuing to be the dork he’s always been and Rachel can find herself without all of the noise of the show and the court of public opinion. It would probably make things a lot easier for filming, but Bravo’s goal is drama for the ratings, so I honestly doubt her well-being is even on their radar. Have we EVER seen them sincerely concerned about that after any of the scandals across all of the franchises? *Edited to add…I don’t believe for a second that Ariana’s mental health or general well-being is on the radar of Bravo either, I’m not saying Bravo is discriminating as far as who they choose to exploit. Hell, exploitation is their entire MO - that’s what Bravo does and why they exist! I wonder if that’s ever occurred to all of the cast mates of their shows. It’s really sad, when you think about it. 🤬 I’ll show myself out now…😬

I actually don’t disagree with you. I think at the core of all of it is she’s exceptionally emotionally immature - hard not to think it’s likely a result of being sheltered and growing up in that pageant world. I feel like there’s a VERY deep-seeded feeling of less-than that she contends with. I completely get that everything she did and said for most of her life was about pleasing/impressing other people with her squeaky clean reputation and not being able to be herself. She got a taste of some liquid courage, felt empowered and was taking a stab at living life for herself for the first time. Now that she broke free from that, began to feel liberated and got a taste of freedom to find out who she really is, things went a little sideways and she got carried away. I think it’s sad, though, because I think she wasn’t used to all of the positive attention and recognition and she truly didn’t know how to handle it - and IMO, alcohol is not doing her any favors. Some sensible inhibition would really be her friend at this stage in life, as she continues to figure out who she is and who she wants to be - and, more importantly, who she doesn’t. This is obviously a very painful lesson to learn - for several others and herself, but I hope she’ll allow it to be just that for her and it won’t end up definining her. Guilt and shame can wreak havoc on anyone, but she seems especially vulnerable to it if/when she fully grasps the gravity of her actions and their consequences. I don’t think she’s an evil person. I see her as immature, very naive, socially awkward and looking for some self esteem that she’s been lacking for a long time. I’m curious as to how differently she would come across on screen with no alcohol in her system. I’ve noticed every situation involving her devolves rapidly as she continues to drink, to a point that she makes decisions and says things she wouldn’t normally. (I don’t count an affair as one of those “decisions”, to be clear) I also think it’s got to be confusing that they’re all sort of playing a role, I think the line is definitely blurred between true “reality” and non-scripted TV - I think all of them are guilty of creating drama or milking certain situations for storylines and camera time, and we know it’s encouraged. I can see how it would be a huge shock to then realize the viewing audience believes that’s who you are, when the truth is you saw yourself as character in a plot. Short story WAY too long, you made valid points and I wish the same for her. I hope this all dies down after the reunion and she’s given the space to take care of herself. I also hope she’ll realize that she can be more than just a pretty face and be appreciated for who she is and not just how she looks - I’m sure her pageant history messed with her identity and self-worth and that can be a dead end trap.

Ya know, I have to correct myself, here - I was wrong about some of that story I remembered. Jenna Bush Hager from the Today show was the one I saw telling the story about a guy breaking up with her after seeing her with her clothes off. My mistake! 🤦‍♀️ However, I DO remember Ariana talking about a past boyfriend being very critical of her body. You were right, hoodooznoodooz!

I DO remember that - it sounded really traumatic, like he was very into her until he saw her without her clothes on and either broke up with her or refused to have sex with her. The way it came across was as if the incident sent the message to her that she “repulsed” him. That is so heartbreaking.

With every week’s worth of new footage, my suspicion that Rachel may not be back is reinforced. The more I’ve thought about it, though, the more I believe that for the sake of her current and future mental health, she probably shouldn’t be. I wonder how in the hell Bravo is thinking that will go if she IS back? They were already limited enough with the Schwartz and Katie weirdness, now there is a whole new level of weirdness involving 5 people instead of just 2. It’s like one big awkward pretzel. I imagine there will be plenty of refusals to film with other cast members - and understandably so. Has anyone heard any good spitballin theories on how that might play out?

Whoops, not sure what happened there. Nothin to see here…🥴

I didn’t see that one?! But ICCCCCKKKKK!!!

He should also take hints from them on how to sing. Ba dum bum!

I’m wondering if there’s a term in the field of psychology that differentiates between a garden variety sociopath and a sort of “accidental” sociopath resulting from utter ignorance and downright stupidity. “Sociopathy secondary to total oblivion”? I see no empathy from Rachel at all. None. Zero. There have been more than a few scenes that have left me wondering if she’s a sadist, as well. Her little smirks and giggles while (SHE would say) she’s “putting people in their place” are more than just an expression of her feeling vindicated, because in many of those cases nothing’s been done to her to require vindication. She’s taking pleasure in how she’s making people feel and in the belief that she’s coming out on top. (Pun accidental, but kept on purpose) It’s like a form of twisted pride, and a little bit of a superiority complex, maybe? As much as I can’t stand Katie, Rachel was absolutely delighting in discussing the subject of her and Schwartz making out. I have to give Katie credit for not knocking her out. She kept her cool way more than I would have - especially after all of the ridiculously insincere apologies that repeatedly wind up being all about RACHEL. She’s NOT sorry, and she’s all too happy to spend even MORE camera time talking about HER and her flirty fun exploration with Katie’s STILL HUSBAND, and her new “close” friend group who wouldn’t give a rat’s ass about her if they weren’t on a reality TV show together. Then, for her to have the nerve to render judgment on how Katie texts or talks to her STILL-HUSBAND about their dogs was pure psycho. I would have physically sat her down. Hard. On the floor. (I’ll be real, I’d be in jail. 🤷‍♀️) Rolling her eyes at my mom and talking to her the way she did to Katie’s would have gotten me dragged out of there, I think - and she’d be missing some hair. I’m not proud of any of that, but that’s the honest truth. I’ve never been a violent person, either. Katie showed some serious restraint, probably only because she loathes Tom. Regardless, it’s still painful. Divorce is awful. I feel for Ariana, but knowing how much better off she is without that narcissistic douche (and believing that SHE finally knows it, too) gives me lots of hope that she’ll have good relationships in the future. I just hope she’ll be able to trust women and it won’t take a toll on her ability to be the amazing friend she is to others. The girl is true blue, in my eyes. She deserves friends who are as good to her as she is to them. Scheana has quite a few things to learn… The Toms are both such complete losers. I cannot believe how much I detest Schwartz now that I see who he really is and has been. He’s a total dick, and I now get the rage-texting. I’ve always thought Sandoval was a thirsty fool, but I thought maybe he had a kind heart. Maybe he did at one time, but his ego messed that up. He’s always known Ariana is a better person than him and it bugged him, or at least that’s my hunch. Their next business venture should be called Chucklefuck’s.

I cannot stand Lindsay, really never could. I have disliked her more as time has gone on, too. That said, Danielle is the most selfish, entitled, obnoxious little brat I’ve ever seen on TV. I can’t believe she doesn’t have the sense to be mortified by her behavior. The fact that Robert thought he had a right to say ANYTHING to a grown man about how he handled his own marriage proposal was beyond ridiculous. He didn’t seem like he could even tolerate Danielle at that point, so I’m not sure where that even came from. He was probably sick of her shit and hoping she’d calm the hell down if Carl kissed her fit-throwing ass. He’s lucky Carl was sober when that went down. I don’t think his lip would have been intact, had Carl been throwing em back.

She knew.

Holy crap, I didn’t even realize that was Kristen at the end until I watched it twice. Why in the hell was Rachel laughing while she said something like “it turned out so horribly wrong”? Good God, she has no self-awareness whatsoever. She is either exceptionally emotionally immature - as in, an INFANT - or she’s a damn sociopath. (Yep, I’m circling back to that again 😂) Am I the only one who believes LVP fancies herself a better actress than she really is? I wish I believed her tears. I don’t doubt she cares very much for Ariana, but I still don’t buy ‘em. Seeing those clips just made me feel that much more sure Rachel and Tom will not last long at all. He’s going to get bored of her immaturity and lack of intelligence. The fact that she thinks he’s the shit will only get them so far. I think Scheana’s referring to Rachel as Ariana’s best friend was just another way to make the love triangle even more dramatic. I don’t believe for a minute that they were closer than Ariana and Scheana.

So lame. I’m betting that will be a reason many WON’T tune in. That ship sailed long ago. 🙄

Maybe it’s just because I am more repulsed by him every time I see him on my TV, but I think Tom looks gross and desperate for attention (as always). I’m sure he’s leaned out during the stress of the fallout of the affair and breakup, as has Ariana. The good ol’ Breakup Diet… I do hope they’re all truly getting help for the toll this surely takes on one’s mental health, especially while so public. It’s defintely gonna leave a mark that will be there for some time.

I do wonder if LVP ever regrets being involved with The Toms in the businesses other than the show. I am really curious about what the split might be betwen headaches vs benefits.

I’ve been thinking James may have been on either coke or a lot of Adderall. I wouldn’t be surprised if he requires prescription Adderall, honestly. On the other hand, if he’s truly on the sober train (as far as abstaining from alcohol, I mean), he’s not benefiting from the anxiety reducing, depressive effects of booze and it’s common to be much more reactive to nerves and adrenaline when newly sober. He may have just been naturally amped up and for the first time in a while, we see him without something in his system to dampen it?

Sandoval is repulsive in general, but saying that he was there for his “jizz results” to the female employee who led them to the dr’s office within the fertility clinic was beyond classless and rude. I would have been annoyed as hell if he had said that while I was about to guide him to the seat where he was about to plant his dumb ass. I can’t imagine anything less attractive than his oily face, obnoxious porn stache, and that greasy Flock of Seagulls asymmetrical mop atop his head. (No offense to Flock of Seagulls or their fans, believe me - I had a similarly hideous hairdo decades ago - while in 7th grade) I’m glad his sleazy sperm never got to go anywhere NEAR Ariana’s eggs. He never deserved her to begin with.

BARF.

Good God, Danielle needs to get a fucking life. What a jealous, shitty friend. How does she not know that she’s behaving like a bratty little 7th grader? Also, Lindsay’s a bitch. (Those two truths can obviously co-exist) Carl deserves much better, if you ask me. Her drinking will be a problem for them in the future, I’m convinced. She is selfish and volatile, and has a very unrealistic ideal of how relationships should be.

Holy crap, did he have me fooled! Who in the hell is this narcissistic sociopath? I guess I haven’t been paying enough attention - and maybe he IS a good actor?! He and Sandoval are far more alike than I previously thought. What a selfish dickhead loser. Katie was wise to cut her losses and divorce his ass. Hell, both she and Ariana are so much better off now that they are Tomless. Good riddance!

Thank you for a much-needed belly laugh! Oh, man - that hit my funny bone. 🤣

He should save his money - they literally look like mine did when I was in 4th grade and we’d “paint them” with White-Out during class. Then we promptly scraped it off, of course. It was a glorious, stinky mess.

Holy crap, apparently I need to re-watch!