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Dex was never slut shamed. She was friend shamed. When Grey criticizes her sex life, it’s not she’s having sex, but who she has sex with and why. In this case, he assumed he had sex with his girlfriend to implode his relationship with Liz and her own with Miles because she can only function in chaos. He’s criticizing her self destructive tendencies and toxic behavior. The issue of cheating literally never came up for Grey. He was upset about Dex for “intentionally” ruining a good thing with his girlfriend (not cheating on Dex’s end) and trying to ruin her own relationship. He was then upset with Liz for lying to him and setting up Dex. Neither of these issues have anything to do with cheating, but very valid (at the time for dex) grievances with their actions. This isn’t exactly correct. Ansel was the one who led Grey to believe that they slept together and Liz stoked that fire. We know that Dex is into a lot of casual hook ups AND that she drinks a lot. Dex not remembering in this case doesn’t mean, “well, she should automatically have the benefit of the doubt” because, most likely, there is a lot of stuff dex doesn’t remember due to drinking (that she did). Dex was also very hostile to Liz leading up to the event as well. Grey has known her long enough where dex being falsely accused of something does sound true. Dex didn’t say, “that doesn’t sound like something I’d do” or “you know me, I wouldn’t do something like that.” she says she didn’t think she did it and went to check to tapes to see what happened because she honestly was unsure as well. so, if dex is unsure, how is it wrong for Grey to believe she did it? even then, he didn’t assume that because she slept around she had no emotional connections, he assumed that she slept with Liz to avoid stability and growing an even deeper emotional connection because it terrified her. Regardless, it’s not like Dex said anything to discount what Liz said. Liz was the only one who vaguely remembered anything, Dex didn’t know, and neither grey or dex thought what happened sounded out of character.

This was my favorite moment of the ep, BUT he pulled the defense out of his ass. Lol. Great thinking on your feet, Rome. It’s truly amazing that he came up with a compelling and solid reason that some took the heat off of Gerri. His reason for defending her is entirely centered around self interest, but personal and professional.

Honestly, I don’t think PT’s reads were unnecessarily harsh, I think he was just sick of Candy walking in inappropriate categories, and then getting offended when called out. We’ve seen candy be an habitual offender of the category. And when candy has the requirements for said category, PT compliments her. Candy wasn’t some newbie to the scene, she’d been participating at balls for years, and then became a mother. She should’ve known better and appropriately prepared for the right categories. imo, PT’s reads was about her habitually crossing the line and lacking any accountability as to why she was being called out and, at times, reacting violently.

There is a show where a heterosexual couple gets involved with a woman, o guess they were poly for a bit. She screwed them over, but later on, on rare occasions, the wife would have sex with the woman despite detesting her. Eventually, the woman realized that she wasn’t necessarily attracted to this other woman in some uncontrollable way, but rather, she liked being dominated, which the woman did. For Eve, I’m not sure she’s truly attracted to Villanelle, but rather, what she is and represents. Eve has psychopathic leanings, perhaps, without being one. She is probably projecting her desires onto Villanelle, but she doesn’t have the bloodlust or real need to kill. Because she isn’t being pulled between Nico and Villanelle, but her humanity and her psychopathic leanings. She needs serious psychiatric help. She wants Villanelles attention because she’s lives vicariously through her and she liked having a psychopath’s attention. Yet, in the many occasions we’ve seen where Eve has to choose between Villanelle and her humanity, she chooses her humanity. When she lies on the bed with Villanelle in season 1, Eve stabs her. She rejects Villanelle’s offer because of who she is and what’s she’s done. Despite giving into her desire to stab Villanelle, it also frightened and shocks her. When Villanelle is hiding from the police and Eve figures out where she is, Eve gives her up without hesitation. Eve struggles with killing Raymond and is shocked not exhilarated by it. Eve struggled with the idea of Villanelle being killed, but she has never struggled with turning her in or using violence against Villanelle herself when she felt warranted. Which is why when she realized she was manipulated/forced into killing Raymond, she can walk away from Villanelle. She isn’t attracted for Villanelle as a person, but what she does and how she does it. And that’s very hard to separate because then we have the ghost. But, I believe what drew Eve to Villanelle was also her theatrical nature. She wants the attention even as she evades capture. We see that we Nico takes “advice” from Villanelle and uses it, Eve is more engaged with her husband. She likes his aggression and assertiveness. She wants more out of their sex life. She loves Nico as a person, but he’s not dangerous, so she’s checking out, but doesn’t want to leave; she ls infatuated with Villanelle being a psychopath, but she doesn’t actually love Villanelle and would never be with her due to how unstable she is. Then there is also the fact that Carolyn/the MI6 have been exploiting Eve’s psychopathic leanings and manipulating her to their desired path. Eve had an attraction to Hugo, but she wasn’t attracted to Hugo. Think about it: there’s a since of danger being involved with him. But, her act of sleeping with him had nothing to do with him and the day after she’s totally indifferent. She gets off on her connection to a killer and the situations it puts her in. She sends mixed messages because she doesn’t understand her feelings for Villanelle or why she has them or the message she is sending.

Tbh, I don’t think most fans though Jane and Michael we’re getting back together and that he was brought to lose as an obstacle. Of course people will root for their ship, but going by tumblr, Twitter, Reddit, etc doesn’t mean that most people actually thought they were legitimately getting back together.

I don’t need Dany to be good, I need Sansa to be held to the same impossible standards that Dany is. Everything Dany says is construed as a threat, despite her not harming anyone she works with on a whim and repeatedly giving people chances. Sansa deliberately sows seeds of chaos and a thousand excuses are made for her. She knows EXACTLY what happens when information travels and does it anyway for her own benefit. We May say it’s to protect the north, but why is the north more important than any other kingdom? Sansa’s laser focus on just one kingdom to the detriment of others makes her selfish and morally grey at best. There is no way to argue that she didn’t know this wouldn’t to resort to violence because it always does. She’s sewn that first hand. What are you arguing by bringing up race? The racism of the writer’s???

I haven’t read all of the pages but I’ll say this: Varys’ death was deserved. He committed treason by trying to get Jon to replace Dany on the throne. He blabbed the secret to other people and he was trying to poison her. He deserved to die. Dany warned him before that if he betrayed her trust again, she’d burn her. And that is consistent for rulers in that time: killing traitors. Although it was Jon’s secret to tel; he betrayed Dany as well. He knew that Sansa didn’t like Dany and Dany flat out said do not two Sansa and what did he do? Tell Sansa. Sansa spread that secret so it could go as wide and far as possible, this undermining his queen. Dany not reacting to Viserys getting his golden crown doesn’t prove she had hints of insanity. Viserys abused Dany her entire life, told her that he’d let a thousand men and horse rape her for the throne, and threatened to cut her unborn child out of her stomach. Him being her brother is irrelevant if he’s caused nothing, but pain and turmoil. Dropping hints that she COULD BE mad and foreshadowing the possibility isn’t the same as building a character arc that proves it. We’ve seen more instances of Dany being far and just and going out of her way not to cause any innocents harm. They did not earn Dany’s heel turn because we, the viewers, hadn’t reached a point where we thought “Dany might go mad.” A handful of people did, but most people did not and it isn’t due to lack of paying attention. Even those who suspected that this was a possibility have said this wasn’t earned. Dany’s heel turn is the most egregious and the biggest example of bad writing, but Varys is as well. He spent how many decades spying only to commit treason in broad daylight??? Arys shouldn’t had been in KL to begin with. I can’t imagine Cersei running away with her tail between her legs or globe get out like that. And Jaime doesn’t make any sense either even if you don’t include how he died. Why did Euron want to be known as the one who killed Jaime? Who would verify this??? Also, the other reason this makes no sense is that, even if I am to believe that Dany went full blown mad and indiscriminately BBQ’d KL, why didn’t she care at all about going after Cersei? The woman who sent Euron to take down her second child/dragon. The woman who ordered Missandei to die in front of her? Dany didn’t say she was going to take KL out root and stem, she said Cersei. Even with Dany saying she’d rain down “fire and blood” on cities, it’s almost always been solely for her enemies. That’s it. Dany has shown restraint when innocents could be hurt. Even then, it’s both literal and hyperbolic. Dany wants to rain down fire and blood on her enemies not people who have nothing to do with her issue. Regardless, Jon, sansa, Tyrion, and Varys ALSO hold responsibility for what happened. Especially those who thought she was going crazy, but then conspired behind her back and even tried to have her killed. Dany wasn’t paranoid, she was right. Everything she said would happen, happened and not bedside or anything she did.

Dany and Jon were waiting for the NK, but Dany broke the plan to help out the soldiers.

Arya was just a flat out a bad ass. I was ready for her to fight and when she did it was everything. That double headed spear gave me life. Then she was shook for a moment, which mad sense, but she was bad ass during her stealth scene. When she spoke to Mel and disappeared, I kept asking where she was. But, when appeared out of the air and did the knife trick, I was cheering. I thought the NK almost had her and felt bad about doubting her. When she delivered that blow, I was like, “it just makes sense.”

I don’t think Michael is the best part, but I believe his characterization highlights a larger problem with the writing for some. Michael adds a balance to the narrative that gets bogged down by other thing and I believe that would be true regardless of his race. Jennie can end it her way all she wants, but being too married to an idea is actually what has hurt the series several times.

Lmfao. I think it was just the dragon being weird, but I find it hilarious how creepy people find bran (within reason tho).

There are many Arya and Gendry fans who ship them based off of the books.

I never read the books either. 😏

I think Wildling culture is vastly different. I think a Wildling woman would be impressed with him because of that story. I think he's also trying so hard to impress Brienne that he doesn't realize non Wildling women don't find that impressive.

How?

Exactly. She flat out told Sansa that she loved Jon and was fighting this battle FOR HIM. Dany isn't Cersei and has never shown herself to betray the people she loves for her own goals. Even finding out this news, she tried to process it and doesn't go "mad." I'm confused. Should his feelings about incest be on her radar? It's normal to her. Even then, the Stark side has practiced incest, but not to the same extent as the Targaryens. Jon has made peace with the fact that he boned his aunt because the WW has always been his number one priority since he found out about them. Personal story: when my father died, my sister found out that she wasn't his first daughter. Her claim to fame in our family (lol) on my mom's side was her being the first girl--first daughter of my parents and first granddaughter/niece in the family. Our family had like 6 boys in the span of 18 years before she was born. For a few months, she was bitter that our other older sister take that title from her regarding our father. She's over it now. Dany has spent literal years thinking she was the last living Targaryen--she needs a moment to process the information, especially from her the man she's falling madly in love with. Aimingforyoko, I didn't really see Arya and Gendry as fan service because we don't know how the rest of the plot is supposed to play out. We don't know their story--it could be, but we won't know until the end. --- Tormund is SO head over heels in love with Brienne. That Wildling culture has him at a disadvantage when it comes to Brienne. Poor guy. Then he indirectly gave Jamie the idea to knight her and was so proud when it happened. Why can't they be poly? lol. It's definitely unusual to Brienne to have someone so direct about their attraction to her, esp because, when it was, it was played as a joke in the past. Tormund instantly wanted to see her after he greeted Jon. Poor schmuck. lol Arya and Gendry didn't squick me out, but I knew others would feel that way. I thought the scene would be heavily implied tho. I also don't think Arya used Gendry for the wrong reason, she used him for complicated reasons. As I said in the previous episode, Arya has always been attracted to Gendry sexually and emotionally. She's not the sentimental type, so she isn't going to talk about being together, especially when no one is sure anyone will survive. But, she trusted him enough to have her first sexual experience with him because it wasn't just about knowing what it was like. But, MAN, these two fools are really digging each other. Arya was eyeing him during the forage scene and Gendry was turned on when she threw them knives! I was dying! Anyone else would be terrified of Arya when she threw the knives, like she guy the threw it near, but Gendry instantly perked up as if she was explicitly flirting with him (which she was!).

She was straight to the point about why she did it. Arya didn't mention anything about romance.

I saw it as he’d rather her not cut off her nose to spite her face.

Not exactly. Sansa and Dany’s motivations were pretty similar. As many have said, the issue the North takes is because of how the mad king went insane. That’s why the north is so wary. Whether or not they seem themselves as hostages, has nothing to do with Dany having similar motivations for wanting the iron throne back just like Sansa wanted winterfell back.

So, it’s wrong for Dany to try and claim the Iron Throne due to her blood claim and that her family used to rule westeroes for hundreds of years? But, it’s okay for the starks to claim the north because of their blood claim and their family ruled the north for hundreds of years? To which both have waged battles/war for this land and claim as well. Am I missing something here?

Huh?

Back to Arya, she is young when she developed a crush on Gendry. She doesn't know how to feel about those feelings and, to her, liking a boy is considered girly (like Sansa), so she isn't really obvious about her crush. But, she clearly has a crush on Gendry that she's trying to hide in the scene where Gendry is shirtless. She didn't have those same moments with Hot Pie nor did she flirt or do a little twirl for him. Gendry has never been played or presented as a brother like figure for Arya. He was a friend who she developed a crush on, but one that she didn't actively entertain nor could she.

So, Arya's feelings for Gendry is akin to how Cersei used to feel about Jamie???

You can be the judge of how you interpret that.

Yea, it doesn't make it true, but most of us know it isn't, which is why the scene is infuriating. That is not why he bent the knee. Others are only doubting it because he hesitated not because there was ever any ambiguity of why he bent the knee. Honestly, what's the point? All we have to do is rewatch the season and see the motive behind his decision, but since Sansa accused him in certain things, we doubt Jon, despite Sansa not being there and us knowing better. I don't understand debating the merits of Sansa's accusation. At this point, Sansa could say, "You only went to Dragonstone to get a queen" and we'd been debating the merits of that even tho we know better. After rewatching the episode, Jon explains his motivation quite well and always has. If the North gets slaughter, at this point, it's what they deserve.