ChelleGame

Love that.

I missed the Helena death. DVR didn't record those days. Were there witnesses? Did she really die or is it some bullshit? Are they playing that Little Boy Jake was attached to her and is actually mourning Helena? (As much as that little fella can show emotion). Sorry for all the questions, just catching up. Still standing by my theory that NuJason won't give a shit that Liz knew. He will blow off Sam and he and Liz will be the end game/root for couple. I've had this feeling ever since Billy and Kelly hooked up real life. Backstage romance/hi-jinx/feuds, etc prolly skews more story than we'll ever realize. All of this is based on nothing but my gut so I can't defend it in court. Sam will need a love interest with NuJason occupied and Patrick gone. Any ideas who it might be?

What was she talking about with that crazy grout rule? Since when is it a rule? Was she a contractor? I missed the beginning.

I have the distinct feeling the audience will not get the big payoff of the Liz Knew Moment. My guess is that it will play flat. NuJason will not care and he will stay with her. I think TPTB are trying so hard not to have traditional soap moments that they are killing the story. The balloon analogy upthread is spot on. My prediction is that Jason will shrug, stay with Liz, and Sam will be the third wheel. Sam and Carly may get mad and rage at her but Jason will stay by her side and we won't get the big, dramatic pay off the story deserves.

I agree. It was all so odd. None of the actors felt like they were present in the scene.

Just watched. Underwhelmed. They had all the wicks lit for major fireworks and then it just fizzled. Why not a big dramatic moment in the church? Why such a limp end to a year's worth of story? Makes zero sense. These people aren't writing like they're trying to keep the genre alive and the execs are not overseeing story like they want to keep their jobs. They need fire and the big soapy moments that only daytime can do. I wanted tears and anger and accusations and confusion and happiness and name calling and finger pointing and interrupting wedding vows and I-told-you-sos and maybe a bride on the ground in her wedding dress and someone being slapped with a bouquet and a few people being exposed and even more feeling superior. Vindication, Robin showing up in the middle of it for a complete soup of crazy, and everyone's agendas and teams exposed. Maybe all of that, maybe none of that but at least something that had a pulse. This was a corpse. Bloodless. No passion. I wonder what Ron's version of this was because I just don't understand how this reveal is better. Disappointing. All the way around. I did like Sam flipping her hair and taking off into the night while Liz looked out the window but that was 20 seconds in an hour long show. if Varni was driving the direction of this because he's a frustrated writer than his punk-ass needs to go kick rocks. Fizzle.

This right here. Excellent.

Co-sign. Casserole lie is pretty damn funny.

Oh, man, this just had me laughing. Thank you. That scene was straight-up crazy. I almost blacked out watching him surgery-scrub his hands in the kitchen sink. Why wasn't he in the bathroom or out in the yard with soap and bleach?! These people. Somewhere his mistress is drinking and laughing and laughing and laughing. Good lord.

I wish ROME had gone more than two seasons. I loved that show. Also thought THE TUDORS could've kept going with Edward, Mary and then Elizabeth as rulers. I love historical royal dramas (and I'm very forgiving of "dramatic license") but I couldn't get into REIGN or THE BORGIAS. Enjoyed THE WHITE QUEEN but Starz is super vague on whether or not it's coming back. So, I guess that could go here too. Actually, is there a thread for royal dramas?

Truer words have never been spoken. Cosign on this.

Ditto. Australia, Central/South America and Caribbean are usually the ones I skip. I did love the recent Amsterdam episode and wish we could see a little more of the Netherlands and Scandinavia.

I thought she was a doll. Agreed with the realtor when she said she wouldn't have trouble attracting friends. She just had such a bright, open spirit. I wish her well. Loved the apartment she picked. I kept that episode on my DVR.

Good lord. That was so uncomfortable. Her body language at the end was intense. I left that episode feeling like she hated him. He was not going to please her no matter what he did. She made a ton of cutting remarks to him, he was walking on eggshells with her and she really seemed to love any aspect of the houses in which he could physically be somewhere else and she didn't have to see him. I wonder if their friends/family at home watched that and cringed because they know the details that we don't. These people aren't actors so they don't know how to hide/mask how they really feel. I found myself talking to the TV like it was a horror movie. Yikes. And eye-talian is all kinds of awful. Hopefully, someone pulled her coat and told her not to say that out loud ever again.

It was Tramble. Rewatched past seasons to prepare for the finale. One of the writers in season four had that last name. Funny detail. Gonna miss this show something fierce. "We dug coal together" had me crying like a baby.

Ditto on that. Terrible kids.

I think one of the things that's bothering me most about this show is the age of the women blowing up their lives. Are these ladies supposed to play as mid-40s? If so, they are just too old - especially in the L.A. job market - to blow their lives up to this extent. Bouncing back as you get older is harder and harder and if you have kids/responsibilities it seems childish and hard to relate to. Maybe if it was just one character but they're all doing it. The lawyer, who until know has come across as savvy and smart, sleeping with a client. Abby, melting down at her book signing, and then giving that weird pitch to a room full of extremely unattractive agents (what is with the casting on this show?). Phoebe not being able to answer a press question at her own launch and then chucking the whole business and Janine's character just imploding her whole life. It just doesn't jibe with their ages for me. Just my opinion but it feels like twentysomething behavior. Could be that I am missing the point and the show is about arrested adolescent amongst privileged women? Also, back to Abby's brother. He whines more than his nephew who is in elementary school. I cannot stand this character. He started off bad. Very ill conceived character from jump (i.e, obsessed with little league coaching) which made him uninteresting. Coupled with the whining, pouting, the lack of chemistry with his partner he just comes across as an all-day drag. Show is just filled with odd, disconnected choices in writing, casting, acting and storytelling.

Ditto on all this. The brother and husband seem like they're in two different scenes which makes it hard to but they're in the same relationship. No chemistry. No rapport. They both seem so uncomfortable with each other. Neither is interesting together or apart. Also, this show is lousy with unattractive men. I've never seen anything like it. Needs to be addressed immediately. I wonder if the writers on this show have a writers room or if they all write freelance or on spec. There's a lack of cohesiveness here. The stories don't track and neither does character motivation.

Just adore this show.

Love Chris Moore. Can't wait to hear how he puts Shane in his place.

I was reading this forum and watching SEQUESTERED. I had no idea Heather was in it. My head was down but I heard that voice. That voice. Just started. I will give it a few episodes. Did she ever talk about this role on the show? I don't remember hearing about it at all.