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Yeah, she just has zero sex appeal. Even in a sexy, beachy place like Bali she looked more like a first lady on vacation than a hot young thing. That's utterly her right, of course, and a woman can look and dress however she wants. It's just interesting to me that she has no sensual vibe at all on a show that's supposed to be all about romance.

Word to your whole post, archer1267. I think a good rule of thumb (yes I'm aware of the origins of that phrase) for women is to read The Rules and then do the exact opposite of all the advice found therein. And I agree about Kaitlyn, but maybe because as a (mostly) straight woman I vastly prefer her and find her much more compelling, interesting and attractive.

I actually wondered if perhaps she falls somewhere on the asexual scale. It could explain why she's never fallen in love and doesn't seem too worried about when she'll get married/have sex. On a completely shallow note, I loved that pink top (or was it a dress?) that Becca was wearing. So pretty. Want.

Ha! True that. Talk about a logical fallacy. FWIW, I don't actually think Carly is evil. She just got kinda mean, most likely due to insecurity and the completely inorganic nature of the Bachelor experience. I started out really liking her and thinking she was adorable, but the jerky comments started piling up as the season went on and they turned me off to her personality after awhile vis-a-vis the show. I'm sure she's a totally decent person in real life.

Oh hells no it's not. It's an unfortunate HUMAN tendency, but folks who are mature and evolved and have some experience under their belts know that you do not bring up past issues in a current argument. I think the issue here is that these woman are young and tend toward famewhoredom, which isn't exactly conducive to healthy attitudes toward life and relationships.

KnoxForPres, thank you! Reading the comments here, I seriously thought it was just me. Free association-type incoherence can be damn funny when it's scripted, but in her case she's just winging it and I don't find her clever enough to be interesting. Whenever she's on screen I waffle between bored and mildly anxious. If she seriously agrees to be on BiP, I can only hope that she'll be so wrapped up in her onion garden that she'll forget to board the flight. Such a good point. Sadly, that's the society we're (still) living in. It's okay for guys to be "wild mustangs" (and by the way, raise your hand if you thought "ew!" when Jade's own brother called her that), but women can metaphorically either by virgins or whores - not both. Chris had categorized Jade as a "good girl" in his mind and couldn't reconcile that image with her Playboy past, so he cut and run.

Totally agree. Basically I think she's disliked because she comes across as pretentious and unself-aware. Admittedly that's very off-putting and I try to avoid such folk in my everyday life, but it doesn't mean she's evil. Just annoying as hell. As for Britt, I tend to take tears at face value so I bought that her reaction was genuine. I'm just kind of over her and her too-long hugs. I absolutely loathed Ashley I. on the WTA. What a rude, childish, petty idiot. What was with all the smirking and the faces? Ugh. She has zero class. Carly's mean so she can suck it. I don't like mean. I started out being ambivalent about Kaitlyn but now I'm firmly Team K. I said in a previous thread that I don't think she'll be The Bachelorette because she's considered crass and this is a sexist show that wants its women to be excessively lady like, but I hope I'm proven wrong. I agree with my girl Sharleen that she'd be a breath of fresh air.

I find Chris's interest in Becca utterly baffling. Aside from being boring and inarticulate, she's not even that pretty to me (although I appear to be in the minority on that one). My best guess is that she's sort of a Hitchcock-type of woman in his eyes, i.e., perhaps he thinks all that quietness and reserve must be hiding deep passion just beneath the surface. At one point in last night's ep he even called her "passionate." Huh? She's just so bland. But then again he is too, so maybe they're made for each other. I don't find Whitney attractive either but at least she's got a personality and some life to her. As for Kaitlyn, she was my favorite and I felt really, really bad for her. She did seem to be pretty devastated, even if it was only due to still being in the clutches of The Bachelor's unique brand of Stockholm Syndrome. I know it's my choice to watch this show every season, but it really is just so ridiculous. No wonder the relationships rarely work out - this is not a healthy way to find a mate! Chris even said in his blog on people.com that in the real world he and Kaitlyn would probably still be dating. It just makes no sense. You can't put such a drastic time restriction on getting to know someone who may be your life partner. Or as it was said on "South Park" many moons ago, "You don't pick who you want to be with by making it into a game!" And yet I continue to watch....

Kaitlyn will not be the Bachelorette. She's already proven herself to be kind of foulmouthed, which I think it awesome, but TPTB will think she's not demure enough for this misogynistic show.

Here's an opinion that's both unpopular and shallow: I do not find Jamie/Sam Heughan attractive. It's nothing against Heughan, who I think is doing a fine job. He's just too big and beefy for my taste. The overdeveloped pecs turn me off big time. In fact, I don't find any of the men attractive on this show, which boggles my mind because I love Scottish men! I mean, David Tennant, James McAvoy, Ewan McGregor, Kevin McKidd - yowza! Regardless, I love the show. I've been super impressed so far.

As someone who'd heard of the books but never read them, I'm so glad I gave this show a try. It's really fabulous. I had high hopes knowing it's the brainchild of Ronald D. Moore, but so far it's exceeded my expectations. Regarding BJR's facial tics, I really love what Kelly Faircloth over at Jezebel had to say in her review of this ep: Ha! This episode was very, very hard to watch, but Tobias Menzies and Caitriona Balfe really sold it. The flogging scene just went on and on and on. Between this and the "Blood Eagle" scene from Vikings, I think Game of Thrones can no longer claim to be the bloodiest show on television. I'll go you one better. I must be a total weirder because Sam Heughan doesn't do it for me. Of course I see that he's traditionally attractive, but he has one of those big, overdeveloped gym bodies and I can't get past the pecs. I like him as an actor, though, and I buy this character. Pestilentia, never ever come watch TV at my house. It takes my husband and I two hours to watch a one-hour show most nights!

Michelle and Sarah's dick talk actually inspired a piece in Salon! http://www.salon.com/2014/09/10/the_real_story_of_how_women_evaluate_mens_junk/

I kinda can't believe I'm defending Michelle to this degree, but the thing with single mothers and daughters is that oftentimes they kind of raise each other. My mom stills says that about us to this day. I don't know Michelle so I don't know what kind of mom she is, but there really is a special friendship-like bond between a single mom and her girl. If things work out with Michelle and Cody, I hope he genuinely is a good guy and will treat Brielle well.

Yeah, I'm not going to shame her for that. I was raised by a single mom and we talked about who she dated. I even saw her ugly cry over several guys. You just kinda realize that your parent is a real person and accept it.

I can't believe I missed the bloopers. I cut and run after that nauseating marriage proposal and apparently missed the best part! Guess I'll have to find it On Demand tonight. I am so confused by Jeansgate. The only conclusion I can come to is that Robert just didn't want to admit to Sarah (or possibly himself) - either alone or in front of the cameras - that he just wasn't that into her. But if he was looking for an excuse to get out of that relationship, why didn't he just take it when he had the chance? Why go as far as the fantasy suite and then put your entire self on lockdown? And then he acts all sad and tearful when she ends it? I'm not a Sarah fan, but I felt truly bad for her.

This poor dead horse is really getting a beating, but I guess the issue for me is that I've known a lot of guys who aren't stereotypically masculine, but who are straight, but get all kinds of judgments placed on them because no one believes them. I think that just sucks for them. At some point, if someone tells you they're not closeted you just have to take their word for it. Now if they get caught having same sex relations in a public bathroom or something, then fair enough. Sexuality is just far more complicated then I think people realize. There are, for example, men who identify as straight, and are happily married, but occasionally have anonymous sex with men. Leaving aside the cheating aspect (which is obviously not cool), what category do these men fall into? I'd like to see more people like Brooks on this stupid franchise just to show the diversity of self-identified straight men out there. They're not all Jesses and Zachs (thank god).

Preach. The comments bother me too, for the exact reasons you state above. Fortunately, I think as a culture we're slowly beginning to understand sexualtiy a bit better and the fact that many people do in fact exist on a spectrum (Kinsey Scale ftw). But the minute Brooks walked up from the beach I thought, Oh god, here come all the "Brooks is gay!" comments again.

The women berating Jesse went on way too long but he deserved it. I mean, he referred to Tasos as "Taco".....because he's brown? What a complete ass. I love Brooks. He's utterly adorable. I was surprised he drank the Jackie Koolaid, though. She seems very bland to me, but maybe she has a magic vagina or something. I would TOTALLY swim in a bat cave. Sign me up!

I actually like Lucy. I don't think her attempts to sabotage the Bachelor franchise work too well, but I've followed her on Twitter ever since I saw her song about Juan Pablo and she's pretty adorable. Interestingly, she hasn't tweeted a thing about BiP and she tweets a lot. I don't know if she's embarrassed or she just doesn't care. For the past few days all she's tweeted about is Burning Man. Ha.

Bingo! And the other women are just as bad. I don't know where they find these people for the Bachelor franchise but they are almost unilaterally not very socially progressive. It's a gender stereotyping, slut shaming, body shaming, misogynistic free for all! And yet I watch. All in all, I don't think this show is working. It started out fun, but all the constant contestant swapping makes you not really get attached to anyone. In a previous thread I think someone suggested that established couples shouldn't get to say. If you decide to commit, your new relationship should be your new "paradise" and you should leave to let other contestants come in and try their hand at "love."

Both Jackie and Marcus are like limp robots. Are there limp robots? They are so flat and boring. I'd rather have a conversation with spackle than either one of them. Also, I think Marcus will fall in love with anyone who will have him. He'd fall for Twin Peaks's Log Lady if she were into him. I find Cody super gross to look at but at least he brought a little energy into the equation. Although I found it hilarious that he claimed he wouldn't give up on Claire and would be "nipping at her heels" for the rest of the trip, but several hours later he was all in with Michelle. I guess that's just the silly nature of this silly show. I can't even with Kalon or AshLee. Clare for the win! Except...there are no winners in this "paradise." Only sweaty, delusional losers.

Right? But I guess there is only one cool girl and she's already taken. My husband thinks I'm pretty cool but what does he know? /snark

Was anyone surprised to learn this? That guy is basically what's wrong with America. Or humanity. Totally agree with Kelly that there's something wrong with him. Chantelle is beautiful, vertiligo or no. Romeo seems like a dilletante who's more interested in getting attention than the things he claims to be or be into. Sorry if I'm wrong about you, Romeo.

Except that that's all surfacey stuff, and speaks not one iota to a true core of confidence or self-esteem. AshLee (I can barely type her name it's so dumb) seems deeply insecure to me and utterly lacking in confidence. One reason I liked Andi initially is she did appear to be genuinely confident and accomplished, at least when compared to most of these Bachelor gals. Too bad she turned out to be sort of a dick.

This is my impression of Marquel as well, and why I no longer like him. Ever since he trotted out his "faith" on The Men Tell All as some sort of indication that he's an upstanding citizen I've been wary. Go away, Judgey McJudgment Pants. While I absolutely agree that clinginess and desperation are very repellent qualities in either gender, I'm not sure why she should be confident just because she's pretty. Also, are "quiet" and "demure" what modern men are looking for these days? If so, I'm so very glad I'm off the market.