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Hahaha! This cracked me up. You’re all, “I know hillbillies, and you, sir, are NOT a hillbilly!” Just when I almost like JJ he reminds me he’s not anywhere near as smart as he thinks he is. Yes, you’re smarter than Megan, but so are Ashley’s animal friends. And you meant “recuse” not “recluse” when you said Joe should “recluse himself” from the show. I kinda love you now, Ashley S. I’m obsessed with animals, too. Just please stop using “literally” wrong constantly. It’s figuratively making me sick. Re the dead horse that is Joe and Samantha: I hated that so much. It was like, “ I’ve had a boyfriend for five minutes so now I can’t even hear out my supposed good friend because I LOOOVE him.” Way to abandon loyalty for some douchebag you just met. The whole Joe/Samantha thing is weird. It’s like he’s so obsessed with her it’s making him, allegedly, act like a different person, but it’s kind of working out for him because she’s into him too. Folie a deux I guess. I think Juelia and Ashley S. should run away together. Their friendship seems sweet.

Why couldn't we have that show? ;) Judy Obscure, we finally agree on something. :)

Getting a little off-topic here, but the writer Lindy West, who's been horribly cyberbullied because of her feminist views and weight, has written about that a lot. She's decided to go after the trolls, with mixed results. But she did have one incident where a guy who said horrible things to her apologized once he realized how hurtful it was to her and her family. So maybe if just one person changes it's worth it. I think that's why Kaitlyn and Harrison (as cynical as it may be on Harrison's part) spoke out about it. People do need to know how harmful it is because clearly there's a lot of ignorance surrounding this issue.

I'm so with you. Why should we just accept that cyberbullying happens? It's something that's lead people to commit suicide, for heaven's sake. I knew that after the show a lot of folks on social media would say that Kaitlyn just needs to get over the cyberbulling, but it still upset me to see so many. Even if you hate the girl, no one deserves that. But I agree that it's hypocritical for the show to not own its part in creating the despised personas. Ian surprised me - of all things I expected from him, a big, ass-kissy apology to the Bachelor Gods was not one of them. I don't know how sincere it was (probably not much), but it was the right move. Agreed that the Bachelor family will let him attend their boozy hookup events. I still like Kaitlyn. I think she tried. I like that she owned that she made mistakes, and it was hard. Why not just admit that if it's the truth? I just don't get what sort of standard we're supposed to hold this girl to. Unfortunately I agree with those who think Kaitlyn inadvertently spoiled her final choice, which kinda sucks. I was looking forward to being unspoiled.

Oh, I think Sharleen is well aware of this POV. She just wants to add one insider's perspective to the cacophony of fan comments and articles in the media that we see each season. She knows from experience that there's a crazy set of circumstances we never see that lead contestants to act out and do all kinds of crazy shit. There's a reason this formula is used over and over again. Put a bunch of attention-seeking people into a competition, keep them isolated from the outside world, add alcohol, and voila! Magic happens! During production, the contestants ARE animals in a zoo. They are literally mammals in confined spaces. That's why we watch.

I think the issue with this theory is that Nick is really detested by the majority of "Bachelor Nation." The producers would practically have to be magicians to make the public accept him as Bachelor, methinks.

I know I'm in the minority here, but I don't find him gross at all, especially after his supportive comments on Twitter after the episode aired. As for someone's judgment on the show, all this and more is addressed in this wonderful, insightful post by Sharleen Joynt on the episode. Love this woman. http://www.flare.com/celebrity/sharleen-joynt-on-the-bachelorette-episode-seven/

Aw, Ali is pretty cool: http://www.aliluvs.com/blog/2015/6/22/shaun-really-hates-nick-show

Thank you for this, Alison! I also really dig this one: http://www.bustle.com/articles/92209-nick-viall-supports-bachelorette-kaitlyn-on-twitter-its-the-right-thing-to-do

Because it's not okay. In my book it's not okay to criticize a woman for whom she choose to sleep with and when she chooses to do it, as long as she's not deceiving someone she's committed herself to exclusively. If Kaitlyn is truly trying to find a husband or parter, I say more power to her. Hell, even if she's not, more power to her. She's not exclusive yet with any of these men.

How do people like this even get made? He's like the male version of Amazing Amy from "Gone Girl." I still like Nick. Sorry everybody. I thought it was funny after Nick and Kaityn passed the pigeons, she said "I actully did really well." And he was like, "That was really well?" I like a little flirtatious teasing to cut through all the fake sentimentality we always see on this show. I also still like Kaityln. She's certainly not the brightest gal ever but she strikes me as sincere, plus I'm partial to people who laugh a lot. Oh my god the fucking Cranberries. And they're Kaitlyn's favorite band? Oh girl no. I guess they're a pretty big get for this show, though. ETA: Maybe I've been watching too much UnReal, but during the balcony scene, it seemed to me almost as if Kaitlyn originally felt okay about hooking up with Nick, but the producer kind of talked her into feeling bad.

Me too, but good god, there's one's usual type, and then there's THAT guy. No one should be allowed to be that pretty. His personality actually annoyed me, but I'll keep an open mind. Israeli men just do tend to have swagger. That comment really pissed me off. Even if he was just referring to ballroom dancing, it sounded creepy and sexist. We're in a very hot period of gender politics right now culturally. You need to be sensitive, especially on the public stage. I also wondered why the show didn't edit those comments out. Trying to stir up controversy?

I don't think that's obvious at all. I find her spunky and fun. Because this: Yes, the Bachelorettes who were considered "good" were basically Disney princess types (the originals, not the sassy newer ones). Both Emily and Des were so boring to me. Different strokes!

As a Nick fan, I found this episode very satisfying! I love how Josh kept digging himself deeper and depper into a pit while Nick just calmly and intelligently addressed his questions. Josh just felt threatened and was lashing out, and it made him look stupid and insecure. Nick already "had his season"? Whuh? How in any way does that have to do with being interested in the girl on this current season? I didn't think I could dislike any guy more than Tony this season, but Ian, congrats - you're even worse! What an absolute asshat. Point taken about the show franken-byting his comments, but some of that awful stuff he just flat out said. I mean look, if you're not into the Bachelorette and want to peace out, do it gracefully. Don't go on the attack. I got the feeling after his tirade to Kaitlyn that he has emotionally abusive tendencies. Yuck and good riddance.

Ha, you just made my day!

Yay, Nick! I'm a fan - hope he stays until the end. After he was treated so shittily by Andi, I love that he figured out how to work the system and get as much air time as possible with this franchise. Plus he looks like a great kisser with some serious mojo. Sometimes you don't have to be the hottest person in the room to attract attention; you just need to be the one with the most game. None of the other dudes do a thing for me. I find JJ and Jared particularly homely (although Jared seems like a nice guy). I was kinda down with Shawn until he shared his taste in music. Ugh, just no.

Well, Jeff Conway was in Grease and he abused his body with drugs and alcohol until he died, so some of them have sunk much, much lower. I don't have kids but here's what I was thinking about the child actors: I think I'd be okay with that segment if the children had received proper, age-appropriate sex education beforehand, and were basically told that a bunch of dumb guys were going to tell them stupid, probably erroneous stuff about sex, and that they should just do their best to ask questions that would embarrass the guys. I've heard from my parent friends that children are pretty good at self-censoring, so that leads me to believe they'd just mentally reject the sillier stuff that was said if they'd been prepped. But if that DIDN'T happen, and they were just kind of thrown to the wolves, then I think I'd have to conclude that the segment was pretty ishy and inappropriate.

IMO it's just garden variety sexism and gender stereotyping. Even though lots of folks hated Andi, I don't recall anyone complaining about her "acting like a man" or not being "ladylike." Sigh. That said, I was a little disappointed in her reaction to the escape room date. I guess it's kinda shitty of me to harsh on someone for a legitimate phobia, but all the screaming was a little much. And I agree with those who wonder why she has bird tattoos if she's so afraid of birds. The hell? I would have enjoyed the escape room date but I like horror. So glad Tony is gone. What a boring, insufferable, prosaic phony. I can't even with the Clint/JJ stuff. Yawn. They deserve each other. Bring on Nick!

A friend of mine has talked about the horror of discovering a smile spreading across her face during some of the sweeter moments. She says once she realizes it she practically wants to slap herself.

Ha! I think the world would be a better place if we all took advice from Amy Schumer. I see your point, and I really think it just speaks to the ridiculous premise of this show and how inorganic it is in terms of the "normal" process of meeting and falling in love with someone. Most people I know, when getting involved with someone, will eventually want to have sex, especially if you're looking for a long-term or even lifetime commitment. But this show is really just designed to throw people into these horribly awkward situations (which admittedly they volunteer for) where OF COURSE jealousy and resentment are going to find a very fertile breeding ground (no pun intended). It really is no small wonder that it usually doesn't work out for most contestants.

My overwhelming thought at the beginning of the episode: Yay, it's Kaitlyn! Fakey Fakerson has left the building! My overwhelming thought at the end of the episode: Oh great, she's totally going to slut-shame herself. I know I'm an idiot for hoping that anyone who signs up to participate in this franchise is even remotely progressive or feminist, but I actually like Kaitlyn and don't want to watch her spend half of the season beating herself up over sleeping with a guy. C'mon, Kaityn, own your baddassery and sense of fun (even if it ultimately comes from a place of insecurity). Don't be a boring, predictable milksop like Desiree. Also: I like Nick Viall. He brings drama and looks like he's a good kisser.

Man, I really don't like Britt. Everyone's already said it, but she comes off as such a phoney baloney. I guess the compassionate way to look at it is to assume that she's bought into the b.s. idea that you have to fawn all over a guy and pretend to be into whatever he's into in order to get men to like you. Super lame and sad. Team Kaitlyn! I'll take awkward and ambivalent over fakey fakerson any day.

As a girl who always has another drink, this storyline kinda bummed me out! Ha. In all seriousness, I'm of two minds about it. On the one hand, it seems a little facile to suddenly make the one fun-loving, carefree gal an alcoholic. On the other hand, the carefree attitude is probably a bit of a facade given her difficult past. I am enjoying seeing the darker side of Trixie, though, since Helen George seems more than up to the task of going there. Those last shots of her with no makeup and such a sad face were so powerful. I hardly recognized her as Trixie.

It's a Pax vaporizer.

As a general rule I loathe self-help and dating advice books because I think they're mostly money-making ventures that try to put human behavior into neat, unnuanced little boxes, but even I have to admit that in my experience there's some truth to this. It's almost like men have some sixth sense where they can detect the exact minute you're over them. That's when they start calling and wanting to see you again - once you've moved on. The difference here is that final rose ceremony aside, Chris was essentially the dumpee and Becca was the dumper. He can't have that "aha!" moment over Becca since he was never not into her, but he might have one with Whitney, as in "Aha! I just now realized I made a life committment to my consolation prize!"