Maharincess

My kid being bitten and my family member blaming my child and not taking responsibility would definitely be my breaking point. I second your congratulations on 20 years sober! My sober date is 12-29-95 so I'm right behind you!

You're so right. Abuse and his meth use is what made me get my kids the hell out of there. Their "father" died about a year after I left him when the meth lab he and his friend started blew up. I feel bad for the kids in your post. They'll grow up thinking abuse is normal in relationships.

Hey now! I come from an extremely dysfunctional family and I had 2 kids by age 20. My baby will be 30 this year. I was very responsible and raised them alone. I don't think the age has anything to do with it. At 20 I was more mature and responsible than the people who raised me.

Please tell me I heard wrong when I heard Dawn say to Tyler and Catelynn something about Brandon and Theresa's level of "comfortableness".

I'm loving both of Ryan's parents this season. I think they just like doing the show and being on TV. I bet they get a kick out of it every time they're recognized in public.

The Dr Phil interview is going to be nothing but lies and bullshit. She'll play it like it was a one night mistake after 3 years of being sober. She'll also play it like alcohol is her only problem and I don't think it is. I keep thinking back to her acting like a complete fool in Paris and when called on it she blamed the medication she was taking. I believe she evem blamed the Dr. I wish Lisa R. had been around then. I was going to say something similar. I'm recovering from another spinal surgery and this place and you all have helped me get through some boring, lonely bedridden days. Kim would be my best friend if she could see the medications on my bedside table. I hope you feel better soon. Stomach bugs are the worst.

I watch a lot of Animal Planet and it really annoys the crap out of me how nobody on that channel, not the narrators, the animal services officers, NOBODY can pronounce the word veterinarian. I'm always yelling at the TV that "its not vet in arian". I know its stupid but it annoys me so much. The veteRinarians themselves don't even pronounce it correctly. While I'm on the subject, same goes for the word realtor. It's not friggin realAtor! Ok. One more. I noticed a lot of people do this. One of the former OC Housewives did it all the time and it bugged me, that's pronouncing the word relationship as though it only has 3 syllables. The word is relaTIONship, not relay ship. I love coming here and being able to talk about my peeves and annoyances and reading yours. Betweenyouandme, I agree about the music thing. I hate, hate, hate country music but my daughter loves it. I'm a classic rock girl with some 80s hair band love thrown in. We would never call the other one stupid over our taste in music. She does think its hilarious to get her most country, twangy CD and torture me with it in her car though. My granddaughter LOVES Taylor Swift. She's 6 and can sing almost all of her songs.

I thought you misspelled it on purpose to make fun of Gary too, especially since you put the word in quotation marks. Can I say, reading about you putting your little ones to bed makes me so happy my kids are grown. The only ones I need to put to bed are my girls, the dog and the cat. And I can sleep as late as I want tomorrow. Lol. I wonder what's happening with Gary's hair. The hair on his head is almost gone and now it seems his eyebrows have disappeared.

When did Gary's mom graduate from clown college? Maybe she just passed the clown makeup class. I bet she got an A in that class. Gary seems to be losing all of his hair, his eyebrows seem to have disappeared now. Speaking of hair, is Ryan going grey already? Amber's cousin's kid has the same stoned basset hound face as his mom. Poor kid.

And I apologize if my reaction was too personal. I spent a lot of time with these families and I know how important the visits can be for the inmates and the kids. I'm probably just desensitized to the prison visiting experience, most people would probably be anxious about it. Like I said its Phaedra's choice if she wants to take the kids. I've never said that I think she should take the boys to see him. All situations are different. I was just trying to offer a different perspective. Maybe it would be better when the boys a little older and things can be better explained to them. I don't know. I just saw kids that were happy to see their dads. All these years later and I'm still friends with some of the families. The kids are grown now and even though they knew it was a prison and their dads were there because they broke the law, they have only good memories of their visits.

I just think you should do something like that more than once before judging the situation and declaring somebody "dead wrong" I was never scared, one of the prisons my uncle was in was San Quentin, the visiting room was perfectly safe. I never felt scared at any of the prisons I've visited. Nobody ever "spazzed out", everybody just wanted their visits. One of the best things to help rehabilitate these people is contact and visits with the outside. I'm not saying Phaedra should or shouldn't take her kids to visit, that's a personal choice I'm just saying that it won't traumatize them if she were to take them.

Unless you and your friend told the kid that the guy was there because he killed somebody, how does the kid know and unless he was told, why would he be scared? The guy isn't going to start killing people in the visiting room. I visited 3 different prisons every weekend for 12 years and met many prison families. None of the kids were ever traumatized or scared during their visits.

Yes, they have regular rest rooms. I don't know what Phaedra was talking about when she said if you have to use the bathroom you can't go back in. That's not true in my experience. My uncle was in prison and for 12 years my mom, my aunt and I visited him every weekend. A prison visiting room isn't like what you see on TV. The visiting rooms look like big cafeterias with tables and chairs and vending machines all over. There are guards and you do have to go through a lot of security but they really aren't a scary place for kids to visit. I was a teenager when we started our weekly visits but there were always a lot of kids running around. They do have a section for the phone visits. Those are for the more violent offenders or those who have been caught with something after a contact visit. Then there are what they call trailer visits. More commonly known as conjugal visits. Either a wife or the whole family can come for those visits. They are for 48 hours and take place in a trailer. The list of things you can't take on a trailer visit is enormous and everything is checked very carefully. My aunt and uncle were older. My aunt was the sweetest woman you'd ever meet. She was an older crippled woman and all of the guards knew and loved her. They never suspected that the day before her trailer visits she would take her hypodermic needles (she was diabetic) and remove half of the juice from a jug of orange juice and she would fill it up with vodka. It took her a full day to do it and she never got caught. Sorry so off topic but I thought I'd try to answer and prison visiting questions.

I don't understand why Bravo is involved in the lawsuit about the dog in the first place. What the hell do they have to do with Kim's dog biting somebody? I'm genuinely confused about this. I've never heard of somebody getting bitten by a dog and naming the dog owner's bosses in the resulting lawsuit. It just makes no sense to me.

What is an ex-FI? Toukie Smith, what is a DBSA meeting? When did people stop spelling out whole words? I feel stupid always asking what stuff means. I don't mean the posters here in paparticular, just in general terms why don't people spell out their words anymore?

I will be banned. I love raisins and I make oatmeal raisin cookies that have converted the most die hard raisin haters. Since she says she wasn't drinking I wonder what Kim's excuses will be. She's already used the bad reaction to/mixed up medication. I can see her using that one again. Didn't she blame the Dr. for that one? I'm sure somebody slipped her something in her god dann glass of water. I'm very curious to hear what her excuses will be. The biggest lie she tells and the one that seems to be the lie that a lot of people think is true is her saying she is "only" an alcoholic. I have never believed that alcohol is her only addiction. I think at the very least she abuses prescription medication. How else do you explain somebody getting out of rehab and getting a nose job right away? It probably took her a while to come up with a way to legally get them and not count it as a relapse. Enter painful elective surgery.

My favorite post of the week. My dog likes Pit Bulls and Parolees. She gets the head cock going and whines at the TV every time a dog is shown.

I'm confused about the wedding. We saw her daughter's wedding this season, which daughter is getting married this time? And how is it in any way Kim's decision who comes to the wedding? I doubt she's paying for it.

I'm predicting that she'll be engaged again within a year. All together I'll guess 5 marriages and 6 kids.

I can't wait for the mugshot. When do they get released?

Come on guys, I'm sure somebody slipped vodka to her and told her it was water. That and she mixed up her medication again. Its not her fault. It never is.

I was wondering how they were able to keep that house. The bills for that place must be insane. I've never had a foreclosure or eviction, how long does it take before the person has to move out of the house? Do they give them time to come up with the money they owe or is it too late by that point and you just have to get out?

JennyMominFla....best of luck to you.

Exactly. I don't think the two are comparable at all. Alcoholism and addiction may be diseases but as you said, you can choose to get help for them. At some point drinking and using is a choice. Yolanda can't decide tomorrow that she's sick of being sick and go get help. Kim can and chooses not to. I'd also like to second what Persnickity said above. I agree.

I'm not happy that she relapsed but I don't think she was ever sober to begin with. I've also never thought alcohol was her only addiction. I'm an recovering alcoholic, had my last drink on 12/29/95 and some days its still a struggle. When Kim said she wasn't struggling in her sobriety I knew she wasn't clean. Almost 20 years for me and I still attend meetings, if she's worried about anonymity they have great online groups. I wish her the best but I don't think we're seeing a relapse I think we're seseeing somebody who was never in serious recovery to begin with. I feel bad for her family. I was able to sober up but unfortunately most of my family members haven't. I hope her kids have had some type of counseling/Alanon for themselves.