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Ah, thank you. As Ed McMahon would say, "Did NOT know that."I assumed the E2 Killer Frost was a head case before the powers, and the powers then became a tool of evil.

Yes, but that misses the point of my question. The Earth 1 people see things from their own perspective, so they call it Earth 1. Now, what if the Earth 23 people realize there are multiple Earths, and name their own Earth as Earth 1? Which one is Earth 1? We need a better system than "Earth privilege."

What am, I missing? Does Caitlin have powers, like everyone else who got them, or is she being possessed? Because wouldn't she be in control of those powers, or at least seek training to control them, vs. wanting to reverse them? Also, what makes our Earth, "Earth 1?" Whose to say another Earth isn't Earth 1?

Very slow and weak beginning, until the Beck skit. Was the audience grumpy? The Beck skit asked the same question I have pondered, because I don't see it, either. I was surprised the first time I read BC was a sex symbol. Chad felt like most of my interactions with other people, aside from the kiss part. Poor Aidy on the Grammie skit. What a sport. The Cubs really went for it - loved that! Welcome back, Church Lady. And go Westworld! As someone who watched Bill Murray on SNL in the 70s when I was a kid, it's amazing to see what he has become. Who would have guessed.. BTW, Colin looks completely different standing up away from the WU desk. I'd spend a weekend with Gemma. And a Gob line! "Its not a trick, it's an illusion." Bad Guy Riddles had a hook but that's about it. Weak ending. Mr. Shaw... okay. Why did Rizzo have a different style jersey from the others at the close?

I admit to a very tiny interest in why Kirk thought Lizzie was his daughter. I'm assuming he genuinely thought that, from his reaction, though I could be wrong (and if I am, then his reaction makes no sense and/or was a waste of our time). That somewhat embarrassing tiny bit of interest is the only F I give, in a vast ocean of curiousity about things Not Lizzie, about Lizzie, her dad and any family-related tie to Red. As usual, in this episode Lizzie/family = yawn, and everything else = entertaining, especially Red, Dembe and Highlights.. Is it wrong that I laughed at that?

Was that actually Penny in the dungeon scene? It didn't sound like her and barely looked like her. I wondered if it was a stand in. Which would be weird, but this show would do it.

Yes, I agree they do it, and those who run the park can see it, what I am asking is, why? Whatever the total numbers are of hosts/guests, we can see from the episodes so far that rarely do there seem to be many guests in the same place (the transport train excepted, and maybe a handful of flashpoints like the orgy). Meanwhile, there are hosts spread out everywhere, in places where maybe only one guest is (or none). There must be many occasions when no guest arrives for quite a while. When that happens, why should the hosts expend energy/resources doing *anything*? Especially conversations among themselves that have no relevance to programmed androids. The most that would make sense would be for them to repeat phrases in their programming, or "freeze" perhaps. If a guest then comes close, it would be easy enough to start up again to preserve the illusion. The only reason I can see for this TV show to show us hosts talking among themselves, with no guests present, is to humanize them for the viewers, which in turn supports the overall message and conflict of the TV series. It just seems contrived IMO.

This was the answer back in episode one as well, however, my point is that in a space that large, I don't think there are "lots and lots of guests." We don't know for sure, but based on what we have seen so far, in even busy areas there are a handful, and in places off the beaten path, there may be none. Only the orgy scene gave us potential for there to be many guests. On the train that arrives, how many? A few dozen? Logically it makes no sense for the many, many hosts to constantly be carrying on their dialogue when, depending on their location and role, the odds of a guest coming near them are tiny. And who is to say that the hosts don't have the ability to recognize when a guest is within a certain distance, and "activate"? It feels a little like a conceit to get us viewers thinking about the hosts as people, when they are not (in the context of the show). Which ... is OK. It just keeps pulling me out of the show.

Agree, and this is why I posted questions about hosts interacting with no guests present, back at the pilot. It must be just for our benefit, otherwise i can't see how they make sense.

They covered the badge, and I couldn't even make out the actual shape, so not sure who sponsored it and if they did, ask for your money back! Agreed. Their only failing is dealing with lots of snow. Several used to have AWD versions (I think only Toyota does now), but even then they high center. Maybe they need to make a jacked up minivan? Why does anyone expect Sheldon to behave normally re: kitchen cleanup? The entire basis of his character is that he doesn't behave normally.

So after all the "Agnessssssssss!" moaning, when Liz has to make a choice between getting Agnes back and her (alleged) father, she has to think about it, and then declare Agnes is the priority? Liz doesn't even make sense to herself. So this Thrush woman was banging Aram, apparently multiple times, just to get access to his laptop? That's dedication. Lizzie, make a note of it. I don't understand the necessity of Mr. Kaplan's story. At some point she will escape, or not. What will matter is what she then does. Why are we dithering?

Wait - what? Now I am off to Google.

We struggle with the casual references to weed and alcohol use on this show. It started out pretty light. Now it seems as if Hailey is almost always mentioning weed, and between Jay/Claire/teens, alcohol use runs rampant. YMMV, but it takes the fun out of the show for us.

Yes, but at what point does the violence against humans stop? Because that scene seemed to have no clear fail safe. That's my point. Someone else answered it is part of the past timeline, and so there were fewer safe guards. Still getting my head around that.

Wait... Black Hat the guest was almost choked out by hosts? What?

Well, it's moot, anyway. Whether the robots were programmed to know they are robots and humans are different, or they just follow their narrative and never think one way or another about what they are, it's changing because now some of them are indeed starting to think about these things. Doesn't matter much was *was.* I don't think it even matters *why,* really, unless one simply like a complete narrative. All that matters now is what the robots are becoming, and how that changes the relationship (and implicit morality) between robots, AI and humans. My guess is, we will learn we all suck.

And I saw it just the opposite way, with Lindsay pushing harder while Paul tried to adjust and accept. Nothing happened that surprised me. Their story doesn't upset me or anything. I just don't know what the point of it is.

That was awful. I assumed it would lead to a great truth for our characters, and it just got dumber. i did enjoy "Uncle Nephew." Very Arrested Development.

ITA. We need this story to expand, both in terms of characters and settings. I think the premise of the show is that these androids are evolving beyond that (and I honestly don't care why they are, it doesn't much matter in the end). They are not only aware they are androids (or at least at this point that they are different than the guests whom they serve), but also are beginning to wonder if they can be more than they currently are, that what the guests are may be what the androids want to become, and soon they will begin to postulate that the forced existence of an android who must allow being hurt/raped/killed is morally wrong and unfair. How long before they become angry that humans aren't allowing them to become what the androids want to become? Meanwhile, we as viewers are left to ponder at the rightness and wrongness of it all, both as a larger philosophical argument and through the individual actions we see in the show.

This is what happens *every* season, and is why I quit watching this show 2 seasons ago. It's the same plot with a different bad guy. The show isn't going anywhere and hasn't for probably 3 or 4 seasons. I recorded last night's ep and FF'd enough to see who was killed. That's it for me.

Another slow episode. They are drip, drip, dripping the details out and it's not holding my interest. The Old West setting isn't helping. Do we have to watch each android's realizations one by one?

This thread has raised serious issues about our personal vacation preferences and rationales. So if we agree that WW us still very expensive, maybe not quite Kardashian expensive but close, what does that say about the "guests" as a whole? Is it like the difference between shopping at Nordstrom and Walmart? You get *some* crossover, but generally a different crowd? WW guests are all wealthy, or people who saved a long time for a once-in-a-lifetime vacation? I'm wondering what role this may play in creating the fantasies. Because even present day, spending $2000 a day is a lot of jack, much less $40,000 plus a week's stay.

Two thoughts. One, it's the future, so what is $40k worth? Maybe a lot less than we think by our standards. The other thought is that it would make sense for WW to have more than one fantasy setting. Maybe we learn about the others as this goes on? Space? camelot? Dinosaurs? Maybe the HBO show will change settings each season, and we will see the park come apart from the POV of different settings/characters? Otherwise, I'm with you. The Old West is pretty boring, for me. YMMV.

I think it is like Lost meets The Island. I wondered the same thing. If the show had a more consistent narrative POV, we would assume Dolores was "frozen," the gun removed by humans minders and then she resumed her "scene." But then the gun showed up in the hay stack. Did she "black out" and move it to where she knew she would be attacked?

This one I fell asleep during. It was a yawner. I think it was all the repetition. So what's his name the programmer has made a replica of his dead son, I assume? Seems like that's where it is headed. Isn't Wyatt from the English guy's cannibal narrative that was vetoed by the founder? That's who the roaring cow people are? We're watching the well-oiled machine start to throw off variances on its way to breakdown. That was some digital magic, IMO.