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I thought they were going to tie into People of Earth there, and that guy was somehow the son of Wyatt Cenak's character. I 'm not aware of the two shows being connected, but the vibe *is* similar. Hank and the Chechnans are a lot like the alien group that was kidnapping humans. I think the depiction of Sam was really nuanced and well done. Some of the time he seemed like a normal guy with a kid and the usual life worries. Then you see him under pressure, and scary stuff starts to leak out around the edges. Sam didn't appeared to be a monster on the show, and we know Sally's account of their relationship is not accurate, but also, we saw enough of Sam to realize he *could* have been as bad as Sally says, despite her exaggerations and need to overcompensate and feel like a hero in her story. I didn't even remember anything about the cop's wife having an affair, so it wasn't in my mind. But as soon as the cop began to waver and talk to himself, I knew an alternate solution was coming. At first I thought he might have been mentally ill, and my mind went to PTSD and perhaps having something in common with Barry. So when he asked Barry to whack the guy, I wasn't surprised. I was mostly disappointed, because even if Barry does it, you know it isn't over. That cop isn't going to call it even and forget about it. So now we have to wait while this plays out, which kind of bores me.

I don't disagree, in the real world. But consider the context of this show: Kelly is the up-and-comer with a sterling record. Ed was basically out of "the Union" ... until Kelly vouched for him. So in this instance, if Orville is an important ship, and that's not completely clear but it does seem to get some key assignments, then the prudent move would be to move Ed to a lesser ship (because, once more, a change is needed because of Ed's personal issues) and promote Kelly to Orville captain. If Ed then flames out again without Kelly on is new command, the damage is contained. If Ed does great, he can get promoted to a more important ship. BTW, ALL of this is moot if McFarland had made himself a secondary character and not the lead. Which would have been much better for the show.

Delaware couple from Florida... did the woman say she doesn’t want a ranch because they are far away from everything? Does Delaware have development rules that banish ranch homes to the boonies? Did she mean literal ranches like in the west? Does she know ranch is a house style? So weird.

Sorry, just catching up. This may be the least appealing group of teams in the history of this show. At least it will make it easy to choose who to root for.

That's ... amazing. The issue isn't Kelly's concern that Ed would have poor judgment because he has feelings for her. It's *that Ed has feelings for his XO* and that might result in poor judgment. If anyone should transfer, it should be Ed. I agree, it's not crazy at all that Ed would be attracted to literally the same version of the woman he fell in love with seven years ago. That makes perfect sense. However, Ed has the benefit of seven years of experiences with that woman, and knows what happened, how they changed and how it turned out. If he respected both current Kelly and young Kelly, he would recognize how weird and awkward this is for them, and back off. But his primary focus is getting what he wants, so ... All crew should feel free to date each other exactly because of that - except where you have people in positions of power over others, or other situations that might significantly impact the safe operation of the ship. Many of you are probably too young to remember this, but you know who McFarland is? Rich Little. Little was an impressionist and his actual face and voice was forgettable.

I have been laughing my ass off. The Muslim math thing with Jonah was pure genius, showing how an innocuous historical fact becomes politicized by a not particularly bright voter base. "What about college educated white voters?" "That's not a big slice of the pie in South Carolina." All so true, and "sharia math" is damn funny. The Amy stuff is weird. It feels like it's there just to mock Trump. Like others, I don't know what Amy's motivation is. She has mostly seemed like a reasonable person caught up in the political rush. I guess the latter part could have taken over. Selina demoting the almost perfect Marjorie because Marjorie tells the truth was perfect. And the fact Marjorie knew how to play that was even better.

Much of the time they spend together is because he is the captain and she is the XO. In other words, they are talking work, with each other, because in their roles, that's how the system works. They can't talk to anyone else except perhaps Claire, and even that is iffy. It's normal, given their past and her desire to remain friends (both for professional and personal reasons) that she might slip into other topics. And sometimes, he forces conversation into other topics. Ed was the one who made her dating that other dude into a thing, when she was just mentioning in passing that she did something on a date. Also, because she is over their past, she assumes/hopes he is. That's her mistake. Maybe she is realizing that after he dated the younger her. The onus is clearly on him, as her work superior and as a grown man, to either maintain the proper distance, or say look, I can't handle that, so from now on, we meet only in conference rooms, we discuss work and then we are done. He does neither. And I suspect that to Seth McFarland, that seems perfectly normal and OK. It's really not. The show should probably establish more of a confidante relationship for Kelly, so Ed isn't the person she feels most comfortable with. Can't be security chief or someone who reports to her. Needs to be someone totally new who isn't close to her in the chain of command, or maybe a civilian or someone else who doesn't answer to her.

For starters, he is now her boss. And the only reason that is so is because she went out on a limb to get him this gig, and she was told fine, you keep an eye on him. He repays that by endlessly pining for her, and saying things like, "You know, we were great." And she says, again, "I'm past it." And he doesn't leave it alone. That's pretty creepy in my book.

I think he has been exposed since the beginning of the series. The difference in season one was that the tone was lighter and more goofy. When you include fart jokes, then issues with acting or plots can be excused. It's basically a space-themed funny show. But midway through last season Orville took a decided turn toward more serous, and all of this season has been that way. We get one or two small jokes an episode. When you raise the bar like that, then weak points like Seth's wooden acting really stand out. As does his Seth-centric (Ed) scripts. I've said since the pilot that Seth should not have cast himself as the lead. Aside from the acting issues, it feels very much like a vanity project. And that works against the legitimacy he seems to want. But I don't think he can control himself. I mean, this is the same guy who chose one of the greatest singers of all time, Sinatra, for a vanity music album featuring Seth singing.

I'm guessing nothing changes. When she first appeared, I thought the show was going for an ST TOS -ish look a la Gamesters of Triskelian, with all the heavy hair. I had no idea that was Kelly for a few seconds. For some reason, THAT part felt like it was more Seth McFarland dating young Kelly than Ed. But then that oily kind of smug charm is what I always get from SM. I wish I could like this 1,000 times. Also, Seth should not be the lead, IMO. He should have been Gordon. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think there were any 80s pop culture references this episode. Thankfully.

I loved the colonoscopy episode. Some of the stuff her girls do is pretty realistic for teenagers. They seem even less self aware than most, but still. The Easter episode wasn’t as good. A mish mash of things. I think a girl as smart as Duke would have needed more than Marion telling her her dad was awful to believe it. I’m sure she has seen a few examples of her dad not showing up, but that alone isn’t “awful.” Sometimes this show slings around labels and it needs to show more and tell less.

If it is this Pike, and Mount, I would love a Pike series. About 15 minutes more stuff would happen per ep because there wouldn't be all the weepy goodbyes we get with Burnham.

I really like this show. And I have always loved Star Trek. And this finale was beautiful in many ways. That said, nothing better summed up the problem with this season than Control, in human guise, fighting Georgeiou as space battles raged and demanding in what I assume was supposed to be a Bad Guy Moment, “Where. Is. My. Data.” Yawn. The bad guy sucked. Also, I fully expect Starfleet to rename itself “Burnham Fleet” and to create a new line of ships called “The Michael Class” and to make its official color Red Angel. The show really missed an opportunity with shaved Spock by not having him raise one eyebrow and saying “fascinating” when Pike showed him the next space thing to investigate. I love Pike and what Anson Mount has done. And I love the way the show depicts Pike. He is everything you want in Starfleet, and he expects no special attention as he does his job and doesn’t behave in any way that asks for it. Nor does the show give him any. I wish they did the same with Michael. Poor Admiral. How did she know Pike had a different future? I thought his end was right there. Hard to tell one red alert spaceship room on fire from another. I’m really glad the show is coming back. More Pike, better villain, and it’s there.

Liking this season better than last season. The show mostly avoids the obvious plot social issue twist, which I like. It really portrays everyone as just people doing their jobs, or trying their best, or understanding that what they are doing is wrong and they may be penalized for it. It's not knee-jerk reaction to other issues. For instance, I was sure that *removing the OWL to their halfway house* (damn!) was going to lead to cops vs. black people trouble. I mean, I'm white and I would never have removed her from the general location I found her. Also, I thought the bank loan visit would do the same, with Trey being turned down because of color (when he clearly is passionate but doesn't know how the game is played). Instead, we meet another entrepreneur (Hispanic maybe?) who has had multiple loans and is successful. I struggled with Shay going so far as to "steal" something back. The plot did a good job of setting up how she was drawn into it, but like Trey slinging last season, it didn't seem right. I did enjoy that she identified and praised the decorating style. Josh is amazingly patient and understanding. But part of the reason he seems that way is that the show portrays Tray, and Shay, and really everyone else as essentially good people who sometimes have bad ideas. We've all been there.

That's a good description. It was definitely dance first, music later. It felt a lot like a group managed by someone who could and would replace any member with interchangeable parts, if someone missed a dance step or two. I imagine members age out as well? There is certainly room for all kinds of musical acts, so whatever. Don't get the cult following though.

This is my biggest frustration with this show. Actors are self-absorbed, and this group is a huge turn off. Even when they appear to be sympathetic, you can't trust it because they act ... they may or may not actually care. So I don't care what happens to any of them, and I want Barry to get away from them.

That was my guess, except that drugs made Mike manic, and it made him sleep. There was never any suggestion that they could make him smarter. In other words, they might affect his energy level, but they won't make him ask better questions. This is the second time since Mike joined Buzzfeed that he has actually accomplished something, so I wondered if the show is telling us that Mike is smarter away from Selina and gang (and not the drugs). Also, I'm the outlier but I don't care much for Richard. All the mumbling, sometimes smart, sometimes not. Random enough to mostly ignore.

Jonah continues to be comedy gold. I don’t care whether he makes sense in our real world. He is worth multiple laughs an episode because he is such a child dick. Why was Mike smart all of a sudden? So many good lines in this episode.

Quick question: WHERE was little unfortunate Lord Umber hanging on the wall? Was that at the Umber keep? TIA.

Ha. It reminded me of that show Dinosaurs, with the muppet-like live action dinos. "Not the mama!"

I think you expect way too much of this show! The things that are connected are only superficially so. The Moclan gender plot I believe is the result of the show's writers realizing that the first story about this was one of the few widely praised episodes, so they went back to the well ... again. I actually view it as a weakness. They need new stories. We've seen enough of the doctor and her kids to hold us over for a season or two, IMO! I agree they are setting up another confrontation with Isaac's people. Well, not so much "setting up" as not mentioning them much until the cliffhanger. Because you know we are headed for a cliffhanger. This episode I was live texting a friend, and called the baby being what is in the case as soon as the two visiting Moclan's opened a case and all we saw was a blue glow, and Topa spilling the beans as soon as Topa walked into the quarters of the two Moclans (before he even saw the baby). It wasn't because I'm S-M-R-T, it was because I went with whatever was the easiest and weakest plot point. Also, Kelly and Bortus taking out a platoon of Maclans, you know, the ones who provide the Union with weapons, was just silly.

Me the last 15 minutes of this ep: "GET ON With It ALREADY!" Jebus ducking kite. Is this Star Trek for emos? I like this show a lot. But it felt like the CW.

She’s always had a nasty edge. And the show flirts with the explanation that it is in her genes (madness). There was even a line this ep where someone said, “She’s not like her father. “ I wonder if she will crash and burn in the end. So to speak. I didn’t get the part where Arya said Sansa was the smartest person she knows. Sansa has largely blundered through this series. Yes, she has learned and grown, but man has she done it the hard way.

Emma Stone is what Lindsay Lohan could have been if she hadn’t gone off the rails. Nobody does impotent indignation like Keenan (Ladies Room... a song I remember). I was aware of BTS, and for the first time watched a performance. They are OK, I guess? Not sure what is behind the fanaticism. They seem very manufactured. Princess of Arizona... perfect. They got James Cordon right. ”What happened, am I king?” I’ve always thought he lives in a peculiar kind of hell. I haven’t watched gay porn, but that was hilarious. So dark. Who was Jared? Was that a real gay porn actor? “Hey, it’s godson!” Why do I hear that in Gob’s voice?

Ugh. Predictable and cheesy. And not a good sign that Orville is already going back to the well with the Moclan female story. And what was the point of Seth’s shitty, snarky remark? “At least you will still be a single sex species.” Why would the Moclan’s assume their planet would be destroyed? They don’t listen to logic. This show has become so lightweight it is in danger of floating away.