EllaWycliffe

I mean, at least it wasn't as bad as the "Space Hippie" episode of Classic Star Trek, where they were all super dumb and ate poison fruit :)

Yup :) You do know that was the joke right?

Agreed. I'm not of the "Geez just get over it" mindset with miscarriage but because of the time it's set, while this certainly wasn't an unusual way to handle it, it just amounted to "Cyril and Lucille are sad for obvious reasons" and of course they talk and begin healing. This isn't a show where Cyril is going to slap her around and call her a bad mother for letting the baby die. Likewise, Lucille isn't going to get the post partum psychosis and start killing prostitutes (although she is pretty tightly wound). There's no where to go with this other than "Cyril and Lucille are sad for obvious reasons." The hippy storyline was fun but while I found it the most interesting, I can also honestly say we have a lot of characters on this show - Frances, Hilda, Nancy, and Sr. Julienne all got short shift in this episode so that Trixie's boyfriend could be featured and like, I enjoy Matthew, I like the actor and he's pretty in a way I like but did this need to happen? The raven as a portent of Death from the god Odin is something I learned watching Vikings so yeah. Mild SPoiler

Also pretty impressive for SMJ who can't answer the phone or relay messages accurately due to the dementia and is "off with the fairies" as the storyline dictates. Don't mind me, I'm just harping.

I think there was a cut scene where Mrs Buckle tells him that the council isn't going to help and he can call the police or get rid of them himself. My own take on it was that he was trying to be nice about it and didn't want to turn out what amounted to a bunch of homeless art students including a pregnant girl.

I laugh because it is funny but also because I can relate to it. I am from the generation of "Are You There God, It's Me Margeret" folks who learned about menstruation from that book and these same vague "classes" where male involvement in pregnancy was never mentioned.

Of course Mrs. Higgins is a spiritualist. Of course she knows a clairvoyant. Of course SMJ is capable of trapsing across the city without any help. I'm sad that Matthew didn't tune in and drop out.... he'd be a fun hippie I think.

Oh I assume something like this - Matt needs a story so even though there's no reason to involve Amy in whatever he wants to do, he invites her to the farm to create drama and get a reaction. Then he can whine and complain how he's misunderstood and get sympathy when again there's no reason for him to be inviting his ex over at all. She's his ex, they don't get along, why can't Matt have a story without Amy as his bitch point? You know what I'd like to see? Matt on the farm doing a project without involving any member of his family. No Amy to bitch about and moan and blame, no Zach and Tory to bitch about and moan and blame. Let's see Matt stand up like a man a do a project without a family member to be his whipped blame bitch when shit goes wrong. The couple of times Matt played with the contractors - installing the pool comes to mind, and the endless house remodel - they were rolling their eyes at him, pointing out again and again that he was incurring more costs and with the pool, they had to redo the pit he insisted on digging. I'm actually all for Matt by himself showing us how he does stuff. Its usually hilarious.

Fair enough. I'm just amused at the notion that Matt made such a shitty deal if you're right - he's had to mortgage the original property to get rid of her, he's paid thru the nose for the property and he's still required to consult her on changes to the property? She still has financial interest in the property? Maybe but Matt inviting Amy and Chris to his vacation home on his own dime (theoretically I am sure TLC might have purchased this for Matt to give to Amy but still) and inviting her over to his property to show her the new plans for whatever when he knows she gets mad at change.... Hmm... thought he was glad to be rid of her yet here he is, intentionally inviting the drama to himself. Yup, I know. I just have difficulty visualizing where the breezeway will go and where the actual house will be placed in relation to the wedding barn. Not helped that I don't care for the faux log cabin/Little House on the Prairie house vibe that the garage has.

THEN HOW DID THAT BABY GET IN HER BELLY? IS IT THE SECOND COMING??? Whoa... just channeled my mom there ;)

She certainly says she's done. And according to the Sun, not necessarily an awesome source, in the Roloff Farms business annual report filed on Jan 11, 2022, Matt is listed as the president and secretary of the business and no mention of Amy or the boys when previously Amy was the secretary. https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/4686152/little-people-matt-roloff-snubs-sons-family-farm-feud/

I personally don't find it pretentious but I do find it odd. I'm not always good with accents anyway but its like somewhat Scottish but not quite Scottish, not really proper English, maybe a little Irish.... I think she is supposed to be Scottish.... I don't know, I am just always like "what IS that?"

I admit curiosity here as well, if only because the north side of the farm is "the big house" side. (I think, not good with maps) and the kids haven't in the past been upset about Matt tearing down the rotted beyond repair kiddy structures of their childhood. Now if he's planning to tear down the family home in a significant remodel again - maybe that'd annoy one of the kids but even that isn't exactly shocking. I'm curious when Matt's barbie dream house will start - if the not terribly attractive (imo) garage is supposed to connect, then I am also curious how that will make the place look. Realistically, I doubt the wedding barn will ever be used for a wedding again anyway but with the garage there as well, where he plans to put the house seems awkward. Regardless - I find it odd that he'd ask Amy over to check out his plans. She's the ex wife with no financial interest in the property who is often upset by change.... Matt wants her to see his plans why? If he is just shoving his plans in her face to piss her off... again, another indicator he's still got Amy on the brain. A man who is "thank god she's gone!" and excited to do his projects without someone bitching.... intentionally invites the bitcher to come comment? Caryn may satisfy him in the sack (tho the whole stroller thing makes me wonder if there's some infantilism fantasies going on) but apparently Matt has a need to hear complaining.

I get AZChristian's point - my mom was always "go do that AWAY from the garden" when it came to blowing dandelions. Not forbidden but more of a "go do that on the neighbors yard, thanks"

I'm sure in this clip that Matt is referencing some idiotic change he's planning. I just think its his overall attitude towards the kids and always has been.

Well, can Matt and by proxy Caryn the girlfriend really bitch when Matt's on record with how he doesn't care if the kids hate him for his decision? One of the consequences of an attitude of my way or the highway, and I don't care if you hate me is that yeah, it can cause tension and make people not be all that quick to kiss your ass. Besides - how long is it before favored Jackson finds out Matt doesn't care if Jackson hates him for his choices? Frankly that Matt clearly and openly favors Jackson to the detriment of all the other grandkids including Lilah is a wee bit toxic anyway and its probably best that Matt and Caryn get a little less time. Matt's little declaration of not caring one bit if the kids hate him for his decisions about the farm is one hell of a toxic declaration. Let's see - Molly moved away, Jeremy and Auj gave up, Zach and Tory are giving up and Amy was driven away, and I wonder how long Jacob and Izzy stick around. I really think the issue here just might be that Matt is the problem. Its difficult to be around a loved one who tells the public how little they think of your concerns. In fairness - I don't think Zach ever had a serious chance at the farm, or Jeremy for that matter - I think Matt's never had any real interest in giving up any portion of the farm. And thats fine - but he's also spent a whole lotta time telling the kids and the public how he wants one of the kids to take over the farm blah blah blah often complete with going on about how tired he is and how he wants out, why won't the kids step up and take the burden from him. If it was never going to happen - and there's significant financial and "fair division of wealth to the kids" issues to make it not happen - then Matt should have shut up about it long ago and not publicly painted his kids as losers and too lazy to want to take his job. Again, thats the toxicity of Matt. I'm curious if this ends up one of those seasons where Matt complains to the public about the editing.

I have to agree that Lucy being the slut seems harsh when it really was just a drunken kiss. Buck made a nothingburger into a huge issue with his own relationship but Lucy? Gave a good looking coworker a kiss after hours while they were out drinking. Not a slut.

Yeah cause Matt inviting his ex wife he's so happy to be free of to his out of state love shack on his dime is Matt NOT embarrassing himself for a paycheck from TLC, apparently. ;) I mean, who does this? A bitter spiteful man who can't let it go. Matt has Amy riding in his head space so hard, they're divorced and he is still looking for ways to show the public he's the "organ grinder" in their relationship still. Caryn better accept that they aren't getting married because Matt is way too dedicated to spending time with his ex wife so he can display her to the public as his special little target. Yeah a great example of how *nice* Matt is to his friends - nice to his face and setting him up for theoretical public humiliation behind his back. Matt sure treats a guy he calls a friend *great* doesn't he? I mean, I kind of suspect that Matt is *delighted* to know people think Chris is his dancing monkey due to Matt's inability to stay out of Amy's life. :) If Matt is intentionally setting up Amy and Chris for public humiliation - a)Matt's so clearly not "over" his marriage with Amy and b) what did Chris to deserve this? He's always been nice to Matt. What a dickish friend Matt is - no wonder he gets along so well with Caryn.

She never seems to follow that one... .

Again, I thought Matt was "thanking God and Greyhound she's gone!" yet he intentionally invites her to his vacation home in a different state.... and pays her way. I mean, honestly folks, I would have considered the free wedding venue a very generous wedding gift. If Matt is intentionally doing stuff to make the audience think and know Amy and Chris are "leaching loser" - then you do understand he's intentionally being a manipulative asshole trying to make his ex look bad? Again, I thought Matt was glad to be free and yet here he is, letting Amy rent space in his head. If you're willing to spend money - even TLC's money - to engineer moments where you can display your ex to the public in a bad light... then you sure aren't over your ex. See, whats sad here is that I think Chris genuinely tries to be cordial to Matt but Matt apparently is getting his jollies giving Chris a gift that's intended to let Matt display Chris as a leaching loser and a trained monkey. Matt's not much of a friend is he? Perhaps this is exactly why Amy wasn't encouraging the friendship? Because Matt likes to manipulate "friends" into situations where Matt makes himself look good and them bad?

Maybe but he's also on record saying he doesn't care if his kids hate him for the choices he makes. Mind you, I am fairly certain Matt's just creating drama over and whining to the public for sympathy over some small change that likely none of the kids care about. And there's a gun to his head or is he doing this by choice? I just find it hilarious that Matt is happy to be free of Amy but continues to what was it? Let her leach off of him and treat him like ass AND get paid for it? Gosh, why would Matt allow this? He's already mortgaged his property to get control of it and be rid of her... but then he's willfully inviting her to use the farm for her wedding AND gifting her with plane tickets to visit his love nest in AZ? Maybe Amy isn't the one "wishing and dreaming and hoping"... Matt seems really invested in keeping his ex in his life. Oh yeah, if Matt can't stand carrying the leaches, maybe he could grow a set and tell them to fuck off. Instead he's allowing it and letting his woman push him around in a stroller.

Yeah, if I didn't know better I'd be wondering if Matt was the one not able to let go. There's being cordial at family get togethers and then there's sending the ex and her new husband plane tickets to spend time with him in his vacation home.... *If* he was in any way genuinely concerned about the kids and their opinions. He obviously isn't - this is a big old sympathy attempt on his part - he's going to do something the kids may not like or may not care about but rather than TALK WITH THEM he's telling the public that they, his children, just may hate him for what he's planning to do but he can't let that get in the way, isn't poor little Matt the victim of those mean unloving kids who are clearly disrespecting him. Matt's a narcissist. This is a huge indicator. He's already claiming victimhood and demanding sympathy against the kids. Over something he's choosing to do and pointedly not allowing their involvement in. If I were the kids, I'd be upset that he was running me down in public over a decision I had no input in.

Because she's obviously going to die in childbirth and dump the kid on Devon/Leela or AJ.

Thats an interesting point, that Leela was all her body her choice but Devon isn't allowed to decide what to do with his sport without her involvement. She pointedly made the decision to donate eggs without his permission - no, she didn't need his permission - but doesn't that go both ways? In fairness when this plot first began and Padme picked a south east Asian donor, I was hoping there would be a reveal that Devon sold his sperm in medical school.

I don't disagree that US Black people and UK Black people still need to be really careful. My problem is that Lucille, and to a lesser extent Cyril, are not actually facing that level of oppression in Call The Midwife. After the very first episodes introducing Lucille, no one has so much as balked a little at the notion of a black midwife attending them. No one catcalls Lucille, no one threatens Lucille, no one is even mildly off put by Lucille. Cyril in contrast seems to see *some* oppression in not being able to get the job of his choice, although he is employed and well thought of enough that he's offered a partnership in the mechanics shop... Something I felt was surprisingly liberal considering the time. Lucille and Cyril are respected members of the community.... to where I think the problem isn't that Lucille and Cyril are facing constant aggression and microaggressions due to their being black, and more that the remarkable lack of racism despite the time this is set it takes me out of the story. That's poor writing. I'd also argue the perfection of Lucille goes beyond her work place. She is the goody good who is the best goody good ever. Never a misstep at work, beloved church goer, always super supportive of Cyril, always wise, doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, and on her worst day is still super dedicated - black or white, she's cloyingly perfect. Even Barbara, the most recent cloyingly perfect character, had the occasional humorous fuck up. It's also not helped that the actress just doesn't seem very good, in my opinion. She doesn't seem to have much range so Lucille is vaguely happy or vaguely displeased, or just bored all of the time