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Thanks for these @ElectricBoogaloo. Guess I might take a peek, seeing as you've removed the hoop-jumping I thought I'd have.

Thanks for the thoughts and opinions everyone. I was pretty much done with this show last year and your posts have convinced me that I'm not prepared to jump through the hoops necessary for me to keep up with this show. It's not enough of a "dance" show for me. I will continue to read your thoughts though, so something might goad me to actually watch. Who knows. For now... I can live without the frustration.

Just finished both episodes. Enjoyed Jon Cryer's and I didn't know about the Scottish POW's being indentured to the New World. I quite enjoyed Laverne Cox's episode. I've never seen Orange is the New Black so I didn't know her at all. I thought she seemed pretty natural. I know she is not a super-model, but she looks like one and moves like one, so I took her "posture" during the show to be just slightly more toned-down than other women I've seen who are very conscious of how they look. Nothing unusual or fake about it to me.

Nail -----> Head! (Thanks)

I've never really paid attention to Jenna Dewan much, but I loved her "family" treating her like nothing special. Dog: Do something useful and throw this stick Her other child: Dance with Meeee. Tasty didn't bug me in this. Wow.

Hee! I don't see why n... ll< >ll "NO. Never." [/Her Majesty: The Queen]

Thanks, @ElectricBoogaloo - so much - for this update on Ariana Debose. Yay for her getting a nomination. She was one of my favourites at the start of her season on SYTYCD and I was really pissed off when she got booted so early. It was good to hear how she processed that experience. I recall being really pleased to learn she'd booked a job on Broadway soon after that - in a "take that, Nigel" kind of way. She's grown up beautifully... and so beautiful.

I did a quick search for a plot summary and found this site. Relevant points... The part that I remember most strongly from reading the book rarely shows up in the movies. It's the constant references to John Bunyan’s seventeenth-century work The Pilgrim’s Progress, an allegorical novel about leading a Christian life. I've never read that book despite the constant references, but I know about it because of Little Women. Their father guided them, via his letters, through urging them to model their lives on its lessons.

That was definitely how I felt about it. It took a while to adjust to these new actors and I did feel some of the warmth was missing, but I especially felt it was galloping through the story - and not for the better. I didn't mind the updating of the language. Even back in my day (somewhere in the middle ages) I disliked the archaic turns of phrase. I wasn't sufficiently aware (at the time) of what those odd ways of speaking would have conveyed, so I believe a lot of young people these days would be put off if the language accurately reflected the times. That makes it harder to see parallels with ones own life.

Thanks for posting this @Percysowner. I'm torn on this snippet. I don't trust Fox to have good intentions of any kind - even if everyone else on the show has - and wonder if this teaser is trying to be pro-diversity or tune-in-to-look-at-the-freaks". Gah! (I choose to take it as pro-diversity, but highly doubt any of the three showcased will make the top 20.)

Thanks again. I love the call backs to the Seasons when I was still totally invested in this show. I am always so happy that they got work after SYTYCD. I did a very brief search of Karla and from the images that came up, I think she was in the second link you posted. The female dancer wearing jeans and a light brown top that is being lifted in the 2nd link. Yes? In Season 5 she was paired with Jonathan Platero and I honestly didn't engage with the two of them as much as I did with others, and they both got booted before top 10. But Jonathan has choreographed for Strictly Come Dancing at least a couple of times - once when his partner, Oksana (DWTS troupe), was a pro on Strictly, and once before that. Maybe it's nostalgia, but I am thrilled for both of them.

Thanks you for posting that @ElectricBoogaloo!. You had me a the combo of the names Blake and Brian. I had a huge smile on my face watching them dance. So similar... and yet so different!

I've seen this at the UK pace and I have to disagree with the reviewer on this: I happen to be a person who appreciates shots that evoke the feel, the atmosphere of a place and time. I thought it raced through some time frames - rather than wishing it would go even faster. Each to their own I guess.

I'm only quoting you because you were the nearest post. This response in more about @ROSEANNA 's original post. I think the original post was about the response to the AIDs epidemic based on judgements regarding promiscuity which I saw as Roseanna's point. Ernest was a promiscuous man. These men were more likely to contract syphilis/AIDs. Gay culture at the time included (but was not limited to) a great deal of promiscuity. This was one of the reasons uber-religious people felt that AIDs was God's retribution... as well as the homosexual issue. Therefor I don't see this as a problematic observation. If promiscuity - by itself - is seen as bad, then Ernst is comparable to many gay men during the AIDs crisis. (facts come later)

Thanks for posting this @ProudMary. There is a typo in the article that confused me. Wilson's two terms were from 1964 - 1970 (not 1979 which is my most frequent typo when using my cell phone - the 0 and the 9 are just too close together). The second dates were accurate. Bring back the job of editor for text articles! is all I can say.

As I said. I don't remember, but I got the impression that she was exposed to religion in her early life.

I thought we learned that Phyllis was born a "bastard" and had lived her life branded with that label. There was an episode a while back where this was addressed. I can't remember which one but my (somewhat unreliable) memory tells me that she was brought up in an institution where she would have had to learn all the religion stuff - if only to know that she had to atone for her mother's sins. Again, I'm not positive about that part.

This news makes me very happy. I was so upset when she was booted off so early in her season (I'd taken quite a liking to her early on)... now I have to remind myself that "just being nominated is an honor".

I, too, experienced using a belt (nothing pretty. My parents had a LOT of girl children). I also heard the story about using rags in the "old" days and was duly horrified as well because I associated rags with dirty floors. However, it was explained that "rags" (meaning clothing that couldn't be mended anymore) were still cloth and could be re-purposed. Nothing was thrown away back then. So, no-longer-wearable cloth (rags) would be cut up and folded into strips that could be made into pads. If lucky, some of the cloth might be either soft or absorbent, or both. (or moss might be encased in them for absorbancy) The invention of menstrual belts most likely came from the methods women used to keep these pads-made-of-repurposed-cloth in place. AND they wouldn't throw these "rags" away after use. No, they'd be like cloth diapers and have to be washed and disinfected after use (lye soap). What a lot of work it was just being a woman! Heh. At least they didn't contribute to unending mounds of garbage! (/tiny silver lining) ;-) Regarding the issue of edits. I don't recall if I got the following from this show's forum discussions or some other forum dealing with PBS airing edited versions of British shows, but this is what I remember being informed (from a credible source) about this issue a number of years ago. BBC, at least, doesn't have commercial breaks, so their shows tend to run longer than program slots in other countries. Their shows are also licensed for broadcast in numerous other countries around the world (not just the US) so they take charge of editing the program to fit non-BBC time slots before leasing them out. A one-size-fits-all solution. That vindicates PBS because there is no reason for PBS to waste time and money making the running time shorter. It would explain why they provide filler. However. It doesn't answer the question of why the edits are so... insensitive (is the only word I can think of) to the subject matter. My own speculation is that the editing is farmed out (the way some shows subtitling seems to be) to an outside source that has no connection to the show's production team. That, at least, would explain the ham-handed cuts. It certainly explains some of the hilarious subtitling I've seen!

Because if it were set in Canada, all the oppressors would be apologizing before they did awful things and nobody else would be able to relate.

Oh my, YES! I looked at her the first time and didn't recognize her either. Thanks for all the esoteric info, @ElectricBoogaloo

I think Helen George's pregnancy had a derailing effect but the biggest issue the show faces is the increasing use of hospital births and resulting decrease in use of mid-wives in this period. Hopefully next series will consciously address this issue. Having said that, I think the disjointedness is probably an accurate representation of the experience of midwives and Nuns who did midwifery in this transition period. The increase in importance of the NHS (national health service) and it's affect on the experience of child-birth is the over arching story during this time period. A main character's availability (Helen) is the "spanner in the works" for coherent plot lines.

Bit in Bold (BIB). While they have left the source material provided by Jenny's book a few seasons ago, the stories not not exactly "completely made up". They regularly consult midwives and they research historical situations. The stories are no longer based on Jenny Worth's book, but they are real stories rendered for TV.

The Nonnatan nuns were "medical" nuns to the extent that it pertained to expectant mothers, birth and children. They did not need to be generalists, but I suppose there was nothing stopping them from choosing to learn more than that. Especially back when they were the only medically knowledgeable people around. But I don't think Sister Monica Joan was being portrayed as being ignorant of the surgical procedure, just terrified of being cut. I can totally relate to that. Especially where the eyes are concerned. I'm even suspicious of modern day cataract surgery - despite knowing many people who have had it and suffered no trauma. The issue for MJ is her own fear of the scalpel. It seems that equating her own fears to the woman astronaut boldly facing her fears was her ticket to overcoming them.

Thanks for bringing this. I've liked their previous "lived" history programs (at least Ruth Goodman has been in all of them i.e. The Victorian Farm, The Edwardian Farm and the like). Got this one bookmarked now.