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It's not cliche at all yet unfortunately because there's a dark-skinned Black girl in it. The amount of Dark-skinned Black girls getting laid on soaps (not mixed or light-skinned Black Girls) is behind minimal. Not to mention I loved that this was sort of Spencer's vengeance against Rory, hardly the motivation but he is petty like that it was a nice full circle that NYC is where he chose to take her and even the hand-positioning was a callback. To see a Black Girl wined, dined and romanced like this hasn't happened enough on soaps to be cliche but I sure hope we get to that point one day. I also want to compliment whoever was responsible for the lighting since dark skin is so often lit terribly on soaps and other shows and they did a great job here to let TA's luminous skin shine.

Nope. It's 2023, Adults are responsible for adult behaviour. I shudder to think of a world where women who sleep with other women's husbands feel entirely absolved of responsibility. Women are adults, we can take responsibility for our choices good and bad, we don't need to blame others when we make bad choices and they don't turn out how we want (as was the case with Noreen). We don't need to hold others responsible for our poor judgment nor the cruelty we gleefully took part in (one of the things Noreen complained about to Bill about was that he didn't leave his wife and family for her like he said he would). We as women don't need to infantalize ourselves to obfuscate accountability in 2023.

Yikes, I couldn't disagree more. Jim is the creepiest most patriarchal, misogynistic father of the 90s. Brandon drinks and drives and sleeps with married women and an ex-gf IN THE HOUSE and gets a pat on the back or slap on the wrist and Brenda has protected sex with her longterm boyfriend and it's a federal case. Jim was always waaaaaay too involved and concerned about Brenda's sex life. His need to control her romantic life was creepy but even more disturbing when juxtaposed with his laiser-faire approach to Brandon. Worst father ever.

All this and further because IMO Jennie Garth was the problem. That girl had beef with every girl prettier than her, Shannen, Tiffani, Vanessa. She couldn't stand pretty women and made Shannen out as the problem.

No. Noreen shouldn't have slept with a married man. Period. She doesn't get sympathy or credit because he treated her as shoddily as he treated his wife. I didn't lay the blame at her feet, I've been clear that Bill Is a twat, but she knew that when she slept with him because only a twat would have slept with her. None of those things invalidate his rights as a father. Pretending to be shocked at how he ignores his son because she expected him to treat her their family different than his own is myopic, hypocritical and foolish.

Thank you!! Because what the actual fuck and that Brandon knows Dylan is going through it due to the car-jacking and still decides to break into his house? In an era before cell phones? You Walsh people. Brenda forever will be the only Walsh I fuck with, her moving away and never returning is precisely what I'd do if I were saddled to her fakakta family.

Yeah for me Bill isn't even a villainy villain or scum, he's just really self-absorbed and that leads to all his awful choices and hurtful behaviour but he's not like say, Sonny Corinthos was or Ridge Forrester. Like most of Bill's behaviour comes from the same place not thinking of others and only thinking of himself and that's a character flaw that's one of the easier ones to fix IMO. To my mind someone like Ryan is far more damaging and chaotic.

Yeah, I'd probably sum up this season as "overwrought" everything, the acting, the storylines, Isaac's random hatred of Bill...everything. overwrought. HH acting has really bothered me lately as well and I hate to say it because I'm really happy to see a Black character as a star and that Helen is finally being given plot and agency and isn't just in service of her annoying friends but the choices are a little much. I feel strongly that HH hasn't made the transition from stage acting to film acting yet. There's absolutely zero problem with her line readings if they were on stage but it doesn't work on television. It's like watching the actors from films in the 1920s and 1930s/40s who hadn't made the transition yet. It's too much. When Ryan and Helen broke up HH took it real Tennessee Williams and I wanted to say "Darling this is a primetime, fluffy soap opera, ease up". Anyway the vow renewal was boring, I can't stand Dana Sue so I don't GAF if her harpy ass is happy and I was rooting for Jackson so I'm disappointed that they gave him zero arc. I find the actor fun to watch and I feel he makes the actress who plays Annie less stilted I also don't want Erik to forgive Helen at least not without some groveling on her part because she did him very dirty especially knowing what he'd been through. That fact that Isaac will talk to her and not Bill is nuts. I'm also disappointed I didn't get to see any Cece and Helen this episode. It's one of the few relationships (also Erik and Isaac) that I enjoy.

Woooow colour me surprised. I was positive they were going to kill off Bill with all that foreshadowing and sidelining. Glad they didn't kill him off but also kind of disturbed that they didn't realize how much they wrote him into a corner and that however slimey he is to Maddie (or dumb Noreen) he's still those kids' dad and Isaac's. It's insane to me that the show thinks kids get over their fathers that quickly. Like none of his kids miss him not even Katie and Isaac after a whole life of wanting to know who his parents are and moving to Serenity explicitly for that, has zero interest in getting to know him whatsoever. So unrealistic. Isaac is more concerned with moonface Noreen's reaction than his relationship with his own Dad and he has all of the smoke for Bill and zero for Peggy not to mention that all his kids were at this stupid vow renewal and Bill wasn't even permitted to attend but his mistress was. Make it make sense!!

A very puritanical town where every teenage argument can be ended by their parents saying their name in a tone and them the child apologizing profusely and excusing themselves (even when the child is right) ridiculous.

Ah! I was on the wrong episode, yes! This! All of it. Yes Bill sucks but so does Noreen and whether or not he sucks he still has a right to see his children. And I have no idea what's up Isaac butt either. Bill didn't know, his mother did, If you want to be mad at someone be mad at her. It seems that Bill is the new scapegoat for everyone's mistakes. Which means it would be even less likely for Bill to know since he wasn't even told and the only reason he was was because Isaac found Peggy. So Team Bill on this one, Isaac needs to cool it.

I like Annie with Jackson. This episode really highlighted for me how deranged this show is about "obeying your elders" no teenager is going to say "I deserved to be punished and I want to follow her rules. First of all Nanny Sue has a crapton of rules foe the world and none for herself. Ugh I cannot stand her as a mother or as a "friend". Maddie finally did something right by Helen by questioning if she was happy and Dotty Sue acted like she was grilling a stranger. She's her best friend that is literally what you are supposed to do. And her (once again) public screaming at Annie for "lying" to her. Annie didn't lie to you, Jackson is lying to his mother and for good reason, his mother is a dolt. Of Bethy Sue felt is was such an issue she should be sitting down with Jackson's (awful) Mom and making a case for him to see Annie. And the fact that she thinks Annie would want to live next to her harping, screeching, intolerable ass forever? Wild. Just wild. And don't get me started on Noreen's holier than though attitude with Bill. Honey, you're a homewrecker, just because Maddie has grace and mean you deserve it. Bill may be a dolt but he is Rebecca's father and he has rights. If you don't like that you should have slept with a married man unprotected.

I have a sinking suspicion that they are only trying to make Portia the villain here so Esme doesn't have to be. How many more characters need to be sacrificed to keep this Carly 3.0 on canvas?

Would you marry me? I can't cook but I can sing and supply infinite bottles of wine.

Not at all. Esme is walking around like the town did her an injury instead of vice versa and then she had the gall to have that insane line about "what people say I did" Bitch! If 10 Russians tell you you're drunk you lie down. People aren't just fabricating your history Esme, you did it. And yet for some reason every interaction with her comes up as though she has been the victim. "Oh I should have known with you people" to Alexis. Excuse me? The Cassadines were minding their own damn business when YOU targeted Spencer and Nikolas. The entitlement still rolls off Esme like wheels on a Mack truck. It's maddening. If I was told that I did horrible things by literally every source in town I wouldn't be pointing the finger at them and accusatory I would be remorseful, contrite and looking to do better. She's Carly 3.0 And the way she spoke about Laura to Alexis was insane levels of obnoxious. Laura has been an absolute idiot regarding Esme, she treats her better than her own daughter whom she hasn't mentioned for months, and here Esme is acting complaining about leaving Ace with Laura, like Laura has done anything other than take Esme in, defend her and care for her like one of her own even to the detriment of Spencer, her grandson whom Esme GLEEFULLY targeted and manipulated emotionally and sexually. Esme with amnesia or Esme without is still a huge, steaming pile of crap to me.