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I saw some scenes last night fort he first time in three weeks...thoughts: I was over that the first time. Like every most everything else it's overdone. I'm done with that...Jeff is in his early to mid 20'a -- knows he has his Dad's support, and still acts like a frigging baby. I'm done. It's clear the coma and 'brain death caused some damage. Benny's behavior is clearly juvenile. the giggling, and slight body movements when he's excited. Even the very subtle tone in his voice when he told Hannah and Candace he loved them, it was was child-like, IF you know what to look for. No doubt it will be noticed as it either gets worse...or gets more -- obvious. My issue with that scene was just the obvious 'coincidence' of Hannah calling while the detective was there with Jim, AND that Celine just 'happened' to come out say "Mr. Cryer." and that Hannah heard it. Why didn't the detective just play off the call and not answer it right then. Dumb....I was like "really?" I know. She's such a non factor I can't even use brain power to think about all the things that make no sense when it comes to her.

I thought I saw the Zeno dad, uses a "glass" that was a Mason jar on a stem......like a jar wine glass. THAT was a conversation piece.

Maybe it's it's the way they act -- but I never think of Kandi and Todd as being how old they are. I know some people age well. But they way they carry themselves I keep thinking their in their 20s. It's only when Kandi says how old she is, or this reminder about Todd's daughter that I remember these people are --what in their late 30s. And this is how they act. I guess I should think back. Maybe people at that age don't have their act together as much as I thought. Then again with all the mess you see on other reality shows, Dr. Phila and Oprah -- I guess some people NEVER get it together, at ANY age. So why should I expect Todd and Kandi to have anymore ability to do that.

What about it? He's not scowling, I think he's taking a picture facing the sun, that's all

^^ My jury is still out on the one hour episodes. And with more time to fill, obviously they had to fill it with more people, more shows, or more commentary. As long as they keep it FUNNY, I'm OK with the hour format. And so far I do think they're doing that. I like all the "people" and even if I've never seen a show that their commenting about. Their reactions are what I'm watching for. Example: I've never seen a show called "Orange is the new Black." I've heard about it because it's won some awards, and Pr es Ob am a even joked about it. But if not for that, I'd have never heard about it -- and still know nothing about the show. But it was the people's commentary that made watching their reaction to it funny. Again, if PC can stay FUNNY, an hour format will work...for me. But I'm only one viewer.

1) No one who thinks Kandi has been -- to use a another person's word, "stank" about this prenup -- has said anything about Todd getting half of Kandi's money (and there's that much less for Riley). 2) Todd may be working in LA now. But I think it's been established that he's already turned down jobs because Kandi wanted him in ATL. So that is already money he's lost and won't get back. I'm curious about why he's working in LA now.....did he become more assertive and say, "Look baby I've got to work, and most of my gig's WON"T be in ATL." and did Kandi just give in.....OR now that they're married she feels more secure about letting him out of her sight. IF it's the latter, how insecure must she be. That's not a positive thing for a marriage either. Spousal insecurities.....NOT good.

Yeah I saw that. I dont' know the age difference between John Schneider and Tom Wopat. But John has aged sooo much better than Tom. I Usually expect the blonde to not age as well. But in this case Tom looks much older.

I know we have no idea how much Todd makes. But if he's paying the household expenses. to be honest I wonder how much of his money that takes up. Do they have a pool? That costs money to maintain. And even if not that's a big house, the electricity must be lot. But I suppose if there's no mortgage .. just the household expenses would be affordable. How much could they be -- 2K a month you think? (How just remember Lionel Ritchie doing an interview about money being tight (around divorce time) and he was talking about how his house -- granted -- which is bigger with more grounds and fountains, etc in Beverly Hills -- costs tens of thousands a month to maintain.) And if Todd pays the expenses, but gets no equity in the house. He's basically paying 2K a month to live somewhere, and if they ever split he just goes his way with no equity.

Two weeks straight that I haven"t watched this mess. Tracking this show on the board to see the comments is much less torturous than actually watching the show. THIS I can do with elevated blood pressure!

I. have. no. words.

I like everyone on the show. I think it's a great mix....of super comical funny...and lame funny. I think you need both. Most I just can't believe I love watching a show about people watching TV. hat other proof is there that I have no life. But I'll be damned if the show isn't funny.

We only know what we're shown. 1) How can Kandi not see that him HAVING to move out in 30 days would be something he might balk out? 2) I know a pre-nup is not a will. BUT why didn't Kandi ever say "if anything happens to me I want everything to go to Riley." THAT would have been a better way to say you get nothing...than "You get nothing " which is basically how the pre-nup put it. 3) The document even said if KANDI is the one who wants the marriage to end (for any reason, even his SICKNESS) Todd gets nothing. Really? She thinks SHE should be able to dump him if he gets sick, and just walk away? The lawyers did their jobs. It's not Kandi's LAWYER'S job to be fair to Todd. It's KANDI's job to make sure it's fair to Todd. Lawyers think of all kinds of shit their clients don't. BUT when KANDI saw that stuff was in there, she didn't say...wait I think this goes too far. She came off as very unreasonable, and unlikeable in the pre-nup issue. IMO. We also don't know how much Joyce is in their day-to-day lives. On the show it seems as if she's always around. Personally, I'd have been sick of that before now -- if I were Todd. How can I put this. For me anyway -- think you can love a person -- but a person (and their BAGGAGE) can be too high maintenance...and so high maintenance it affects the love you have for the person in a negative way. The whole thing just becomes sooooo not worth it. Frustration affects who you feel about a person. Even if you love them you start to ask....(if you're smart and not co-dependent)...why am I in this and putting up with this? The good of the relationship, is not worth the aggravation and negativity you feel. I do think you can love a person, and the relationship you have not survive the other influences and factors....and in this case that would be Mama Joyce. Todd might just get tired of it all before she's out of the picture. We'll see.

Once again, a big problem on these shows is people do not know how to explain or communicate the nitty gritty of what they really are feeling or are trying to say. Given that Kandi clearly doesn't LISTEN -- and HE can't really clearly explain his objections -- the conversations were bound to go nowhere. IF it's true that Todd only had a couple of days for a lawyer to look over the document...how could Kandi reasonably be upset it that. But that's just it. She wasn't being reasonable. I REALLY want to know -- if Kandi was asked point by point about all the issues in the document -- would she REALLY think they were all FAIR. She doens't seem to get that she could protect herself -- AND still be fair to Todd. And that the document protected her -- BUT was NOT FAIR to Todd. And Todd hadn't read it so he couldn't pin her down on those things.

I didn't watch. And don't know that I will come back. I just don't know that I want to reward this junk with my time anymore. We'll see. I just find myself asking WHY am I watching this? At least for last night. It wasn't worth my time. I surfed the net, and watch HSN and QVC. I will say, that from the promos, you couldn't tell whether Maggie wanted David....OR was testing him to see if he had the same weakness Jim had with the ladies...which would jeopardize the campaign. ONE philanderer per campaign she could handle but not two. Also I really don't want to see David DUMB enough -- and WEAK enough -- to fall for her. And I expected that the Jim Candace scene would be to painful to watch -- in a bad way.

When speaking with Kandi and her mom, he clearly said it's not true.

What is Bravo doing with the scheduling of this show. Tonight it aired 10 minutes of Married to Medicine at 10P -- followed by just 10 minutes of NYC -- and ired an hour of Orange County from :22 minutes past the hour. Then Ladies of London started at :23 past the nest hour. And every show started at :23 after. And the 10 minute 'teasers' just ended' no credits, no wrap up...nothing. It's like the next show started in the middle of the previous show. Crazy.

Not every kind of show needs 'episode' threads. Who the heck remembers which number episode a given show is? People's Couch has different shows in each episode. So calling episode number X by a given title means nothing. For example, if for whatever reason a person didn't see comments on that particular show segment - how would they know that's the episode they want to comment on. Sure they can look at the 'date' of the episode, but why even complicate it like that. But basically People's Couch'episode threads' for this show are just confusing. Just my opinion.

Isn't this OWN's highest-rated night time show? If it is then enough people are watching so -- from OWN's point of view the show is working....and if it ain't broke -- there's nothing to fix. Who needs quality -- when people are watching NON-quality? I don't know WHAT kind of horribly low numbers OWN must be getting as a whole. Even on TWoP, I'd post about Super Soul Sunday -- a great thought-provoking show -- and get NO comments. I'd post about Next Chapter -- or whatever Oprah's own celeb interview show was -- and get NO comments. Even TP's shows would get NO comments. Lisa Ling's "Our America" is a decent docu series -- again -- NO comments. So I think hardly anybody is watching the network as a whole. When no one is commenting on Iyalna Vanzant's "Fix my Life" -- a GREAT show to comment on....you have to wonder just how many people are watching. SO if TP is bringing in ANY numbers.....why would someone say...this show is CRAP!

Scenes I have no words for (in a bad way): -- Amanda-Jeffrery with the gun scene in the apartment -- Mama Rose Criminal therapy session with Candace -- showing her "the cement box" -- Hannah in the hospital with Tony when Benny starts to arouse -- Hannah and the would-be cop boyfriend hugging and looking nervous;y into each others eyes(I haven't even bothered to remember his name) Do you think TP can't write love scenes......or that these actors can't ACT romance....or BOTH? I think it's both. And it's BAD. Just leave romance out of this show. Oh, yeah...David checks into the hotel where his campaign team is staying -- and Maggie just happens to see him check in? But no reporters saw it? No reporters have sources to get tips on these gubernatorial candidates? Please.... the line about lint from bad sheets in a hotel....any hotel THEY'd be staying in would have the BEST SHEETS, no? So the line about Veronica wouldn't have that quality sheets on her bed...makes NO SENSE! But what DOES on this show?

Does any one really think - from what we've seen so far -- that TP even has anything even CLOSE to the ability to write for great love interests....OR that these actors have the ability to pull off being a great love romantic couple such as: -- One Life to Live's Vicky and Joe or Vicki and Clint -- Young and the Restless' Victor and Nikki -- Days of Our Lives' Roman and Marlena or Bo and Hope, or Doug and Julie -- General Hospital's Tony and Tanya or Luke and Laura -- All My Children's Cliff and Nina, Greg and Jenny, Angie and Jessie, Tad and Dixie, Noah and Julia, Dimitri and Erica -- Guiding Light's Josh and Reva (I know that if you're too young you may not know these couples, all these couples go back to the 1980's-1990's. That's when I STOPPED watching soap daytime operas. Looking back on it I can't believe I was EVER hooked on that nonsense. UGH) I'd rather TP STAY AWAY from romance all together -- than subject us to something that's even more unwatchable than what we've seen. Again -- bad drama is one thing...bad romance is a visceral turn off. I honestly do think those two kinds of writing affect viewers differently. Viewers will keep tuning in to snark at bad drama-- but bad romantic writing and none actors with no chemistry would turn viewers OFF from watching in the first place. I just think they won't accept badly written love interests the way they are willing to suffer through other kinds of bad plot lines. TP Romantic Dialog: --Man : I love you ..... -- Woman: What? -- Man: I love you ........-- Woman: What do you mean "I love you. You love me?" -- Man: I love you ....... -- Woman: I don't know what you're talking about. What love? -- Man: Are you going to deny you love me too? ........-- Woman: I never said "I love you" -- Man: What about the way we've been looking at each other?" ....Woman: "What about that?" (thank GD at that point the scene is then interrupted by Celine or Candace to put us AND THE ACTORS out of our collective misery))

^^ That is one of the funniest lines I've ever read online anywhere ever! I know some viewers have said all good soap operas have great romantic couples or love stories. But I have to say I am absolutely DREADING -- DREADING -- the loves scenes that seems to be coming on this show. I don't know whether it's the actors --and how bad they are -- or they awful way the characters have been written so far. But the promo we've seen of Hannah and the cop getting close -- yuk!...and the hint they've given us that David and Maggie's scenes may go in that direction....do NOTHING FOR ME. Actually I do know what it is....It's one thing for TP to mess up what he's done so far with plot lines. Because it's all be 'dramatic' I accept it but can still 'hate watch.' But bad loves scenes -- and bad sex scene and attempts at ROMANCE -- with bad writing and bad acting are much more PAINFUL to watch. Bad drama brings out the snark -- you can't believe how bad it is...it's a train wreck you can't stop watching. But....bad romance/love/sex scenes -- personally -- make me wince -- and want to turn away and CHANGE THE CHANNEL...because I don't want to even SEE that. Because they're not only bad -- they're revolting. (IMO)

I'm just so burned out from the holes and weaknesses in this show. I just can't get worked up about this episode -- but: -- IS the bearded guy who will appeal at the news conference with David and Jim -- the guy Jim wanted the Malones to find (I didn't get a good enough look at the photo Jim had or the guy in that last scene) -- WIth Celine as nosy and a trouble make as she is -- Jim just leaves all the photos out on the table? I SUPPOSE he could make up some excuse -- him being a judge and all -- but still. Why complicate you life like that. -- Aren't David and JIM FORMER judges? I thought that the (first) party/announcement in Jim's office was them saying they're leaving the bench to run for governor. (I know a judge is always a judge, but you know what I mean. He's either taken a leave or whatever -- but he's not still hearing cases. Also it looks like Jim got David to go along with this news conference ploy mighty quickly. David sure seemed to be all in on something that Jim just pulled together on short notice. Given Jim's track record, you'd think David would have been IN ON what this 'coverup' story is supposed to be. My line of the night, Jim to David: " If you've going to handle it. HANDLE it!." With dialog like that, bring on the Emmy. -- Not saying it wouldn't happen. But David's running for Lt Gov and he just moves out just like that? What candidate DOES that right AFTER they've just announced his running for gov. I guess this town only has reporters that show up at group news conferences. No one is doing any profiles on Jim or David. And Veronica is all concerned about the 'staff' hearing them argue -- but in all the times Jim, then Jeffery has rung their doorbell no member of the 'staff' has answered the door. Where is this invisible staff? -- Amanda's gun shop visit. Was that gun shop guy dumb or what.. "Would it go through a professor?" If someone really walking in like she did talking like she did -- especially in this day-and-age -- would the shop guy still sell her the gun -- or come up with an excuse to get her out of there, because he's not selling a gun to this crazy chick...who has all but said she wants to shoot someone with it. The gun will be traceable to the SHOP -- idiot! -- The chick who likes Benny. Yeah what's the point that whole scene her whole character complete filler. Totally unnecessary -- AND it went on waaaayy to long. -- Celine SHOULD go as a character, and I wish she would. EXCEPT that TP said last year we'd see MORE of Celine -- AND her home life this season. PLEASE GOD NO! Tyler, we don't need Celine. BUT IF you keep her -- just keep her AS SHE IS NOW. A superfluous, agitator, come-and-go character that's really on the very edges of the main action. GOOD EXAMPLES: EVERY soap opera has this "extra' characters. on the "Young and the Restless" -- some actress played Katherine Chancellor's maid Ester for years. She MIGHT had had SOME involvement with some other extraneous or short-term character -- but I don't think she every had a main storyline. And she certainly never had much dialog when she was in a scene. On "All My Children" (way back when) there was some old housekeeper who had raised Nina Courtland. Never had any plot involvement, other than over hearing something -- MAYBE. And the Character of MYRTLE -- she had a COUPLE of SECONDARY story lines over the decades. Other than that she was just a second tier character the sort of 'filled out the cast." HOWEVER -- FANS LOVED her so they didn't just let the character go. AND the Character had a back story that they could manipulate depending on how they wanted a MAIN storyline to go. BUT no one I know LIKES CELINE. They WANT her to go. So, BYE!

And that cop who was questioning Wyatt? His..." I can help you just tell me the truth." Really, Tyler? What's the point of the Malones threatening Candace to leave town? THIS is what they kidnapped her for? I wonder if DAVID's plan was for Jim to call them to TRULY get rid of her...and JIM screwed up by just telling them to get her to 'leave town.' Or maybe when to tell these jokesters to 'make her go away" they don't get that you mean 'permanently.' Or when you say I've got a problem I need handled, this nonsense is the result. For someone who has the power to make one phone call and have things 'taken care of' Jim sure is an idiot. BUT THEN AGAIN as smart and deep and cruel as I think David could be -- he was STUPID to be there when Candace's car was handed over -- AND he gave Candace the money in HIS OWN personal duffle bag. I know that was TYLER PERRY's weak writing but...you know what -- I'm just going to stop now.... Because if I start going over all the stuff that makes no sense -- and would NEVER -- EVER happen then we have to go back to all those hospital waiting room scenes and Candace walking in on A SURGERY to yell and the doctor and tell him to get his ass out there so she could talk to him! -- AND ALL the times Candace showed up and made a scene at PUBLIC events and no 'extra' standing around even batted an eye, and they never had security so Candace couldn't get in -- or be asked to leave. The scene she made at that last campaign event when they were all in the office was stupid. At what (supposedly) major campaign event does a woman walk in, cause a scene -- all the candidates and their wives disappear into a room -- and there are NO reporters, NO security. This show i a bad wreck I can't quit.

Not feeling ANY of the new cast members. Bring back Richie and Kathy. Were the Walikies fired or did they want off? Even if producers felt a change was needed this new cast isn't it.

-- BEST scene and acting of the night – opener with Kathryn and Hannah at the jail (on doing the right thing and each protecting her child) -- WORSE SCENE could we have a tie? – 1) at the jail – HOW MANY TIMES did Maggie and Jim go back and forth with the “I’ll handle this,” “No. I’ve got this.” “No. You stay out of it. I’m handling this..” “No. I need to get on top of this.” No. I’m already handling this.” Really Tyler? Come on. 2) When crime boss mama first comes into frame – sits and front of Candace, takes off the hood and then goes into some BS about getting on a bus and leaving town? Again. Really? Leave town and never come back? THAT is what she’s kidnapped for? The Malones must be a D-List crime family if THAT is what they have to offer. Where’s Shelly Winters when we need her..now she was one “Bloody Mama” (if you’re too young to know, it’s a movie.) The first time Candace talked back she should have been slapped silly. The two goons behind her never pulled her hair to jerk her head back – like we see when the person being held mouths off. They never her touched her. She’s giving off that much mouth? and they don’t lay a hand on her? -- Wyatt – I was praying at the end – DON’T confess. Don’t break! His father’s a judge and he falls for that “look at these pictures, I can help you” routine. Jim told him no MATTER WHAT – Don’t say A WORD! -- Jim and Kathryn in the police waiting area 1) he told her more than once shut up about certain things because of the cameras..2) No way a cop would have talked to a judge like that. -- Amanda -- Next week the crazy one returns. An entire plot line I couldn’t care less about. -- Jeffrey – I just don’t think that actor can act. Or either he’s too old to be playing this naive and sheltered. Oh My how could I get the Veronica/David ride home in the car! Veronica’s attitude with Maggie on the phone. I’d have to set Veronica straight, cause I never HAVE been able to let people talk to me any old kind of way. Finally I have to say Tyler did pull an old, tried and true soap opera staple plot twist out of his hat – with the D.A. on Wyatt’s case having been burned by Jim, and having it out for him. (Some one at the other site pointed out that I hadn't mentioned Benny -- now having brain activity. That's because just like Amanda -- I couldn't care less about him either. But hey, if he lives...he lives.) Has anyone scene the promo for this coming week. It looks like the Malones bring in some gurney contraption one which to torture -- or transport -- Candace. Jim finally tells David that Veronica has the car! Amanda -- once again -- goes looking to get a gun. And Jim stands before reporters to say he's been part of a 'cover up'....is he laying the blame on Veronica/Jeffery? And therefor jettisoning DAVID from his gov race ticket? IF SO -- I'd LOVE to see him and David become enemies -- the two big patriarch titans at war...'cause I LOVES ME SOME DAVID!! (actor Peter Parros). He's told Jim once already -- that Jim wouldn't want him as an enemy...we'll see, we'll see.