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I sure hope we don't get any less of the Js than we do now. Any less would be a tipping point I feel. Especially because the writing now for their limited time gives them a guest star vibe as it is.

That was an amazing episode. Your right. We don't get anywhere close to this quality anymore.

We just had a brainwashed Mary. I would like to see a little more originality personally.

I don't think its limited to Cas and Crowley. Particularly this season, the writing hasn't been great for any of the character.

Impala was parked in the garage. Garage exit was sealed so they couldn't get out thru there but they had access to anything in the bunker including anything in the garage. Took him a couple of days to remember because where's the drama if he thinks of it right away.

That is very well laid out. Thanks!

Thank you!!!! That's because of the front on shot. If there was some side view it would show more of the depth. No problems with your depth perception!

Thanks, I have no clue how to do that....or tag individual people in a comment...or...oh well.

I just pulled it up again. They are the old fashioned pipe rungs. I agree. I was being sarcastic originally. Sorry.

I only saw Sam then. Dean was nowhere to be seen when the debris fell. I had the impression his leg was injured by all the debris when he used the grenade launcher.

It was a pipe ladder you saw thru the hole. Dean climbed it(with a leg he couldn't use to go on the raid) and got to the reset.

Same here!

I really liked Safe House and Into the Mystique also. We will just have to disagree on JMI. I am going to try and explain my feelings on the writing concerning Sam. We can leave Dean for another post.. This is my opinion only and I am NOT a writer so it probably won't make sense. I feel like in the writers minds, Sam is the main character. I believe the writers intentionally write him as a flawed hero (not the same as a tragic hero) and they do a really good job of writing the flaws. What they aren't good at is the journey from flawed hero to hero who has overcome those flaws. They never seem to lay out a coherent journey for him that I can follow. They go from one extreme to the other. Then, when the viewers get lost on the journey (I get lost), instead of fleshing out the story for me to follow, they just hit me over the head with the end product. For example, Sam's speech. IMO, the writers have made this mistake multiple times over multiple seasons. They jump from flawed Sam to Sam that has overcome the flaws without giving me the how. Then when viewers like me get lost and question the end, it seems like they just say " well it didn't work last time but let's try it again" And again, instead of giving us the journey, they pretty much start hitting us over the head with what they think we should see...hero Sam who has overcome the flaws they just gave him again. Like I said before, I don't think the writers have done Sam any favors by not letting us see him overcoming the flaws they did such a good job giving him. I doubt that makes sense to anybody...oh well. It just makes it hard for me to buy into Sam's character as easily but I know the writing doesn't bother most folks. JMO

I will respond there a little later. We actually agree on a lot.

I actually agree that the writing for Sam hasn't been stellar either. I feel the writers have been trying to give Sam the stronger storyline but really have problems with the execution. For example, I know a lot of folks loved Red Meat but, for me, the coming back from the dead and continued superhuman feats just took me totally out of the story. I would have felt they were ridiculous if Dean had been given that part of the story too. It was, IMO, written to give Sam some hero moments but the execution, so over over over the top, failed. As far as the Dean Amara storyline, when Jensen asked the writers for some guidance, they couldn't give him any because they apparently hadn't given that sl much thought. They were at least trying to flesh out Sam's story line. In some ways, I think the writers/ showrunner have screwed both characters. Just, IMO, it's been more intentional with Dean.

For me, that's a big YUCK!!!

Yeah...pretty dumb. I loved the expressions as Dean remembered the grenade launcher and again when he was using it.

I've been trying to find that out but haven't found anything yet. All I can find is Jensen supposedly makes the most now. Not sure if that's true though because I thought the negotiated together now.

I doubt I will get past episode one in 13 if that happens. But I suspect your right.

So Jensen confirmed. Thanks

I didn't even have to answer that one. Thanks everybody!

Plus he was being asked stuff about John that was revealed after he left. For example, he didn't know John was in Vietnam. Pretty uncomfortable answering questions on things that weren't scripted when you were there.

This is what I have always read too. Kripke intended Sam as the lead character. That's why he is #1 on the call sheet and has first billing. Jensen's acting, charisma and the fans reaction to him is what led to a more co-lead treatment in season 2.

And, IMO, it will NOT be confusing and underdeveloped if it's a Sam storyline.

As I said, I'm sure you guys discussed this episode extensively before. I don't agree with much of your post and neither of us are going to change our mind so agree to disagree.