Rebecca

It was really sad to see and I don’t even know how she could do it. I think it was kind of a self preservation thing, she knew she couldn’t take him so she distanced herself as much as she could emotionally and physically from him. It still sucks. Lol! And I doubt she did it herself anyway. David did the work most likely. Jenelle never lost her parental rights to Jace so she had a right to visitation. It’s that based on the agreement it was all at Barb’s discretion of when, where and how. I think she could’ve definitely made it more difficult for Jenelle to see Jace but ultimately she had to let her see him at some point or Jenelle could take her to court over it. Not sure that she would’ve right away, at least, but she definitely could’ve because she still had rights as his mother legally. And if she did take her to court because Barb kept Jace from her completely that would reflect poorly on Barb to the court. It’s kind of like what Chelsea has with the Linds. They are legally entitled to visitation but Chelsea gets to decide when. But then in 2017 they set up a formal visitation schedule so that Jenelle would have her set visitation times.

True. ...if David is like this when he’s not paying the bills imagine what he’d be like if he were the sole “breadwinner” in the household? 😲

Another family member who is now probably considered dead by David. Stuff like this is why I think he’ll stay with Jenelle awhile...aside from his mommy no one else seems to be blindly loyal to him like Jenelle has mostly been.

Homesteading! 🤮 JFC, she’s tone deaf. I’m SHOCKED comments are/were on... I suggest reading them! She’s obviously getting ripped apart. Maybe the fresh herbs in the plastic bags are moist and will grow mold and make them both sick. 🤞🏻

Thanks, I’ve never really looked into her threads much. I just did and there are a bunch of people buying her shirts and bags. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised since she has many die-hard fans but they seem expensive.

It’s nice that she’s good about fan interactions, it’s definitely a good way to gain and keep followers. She’ll probably be really successful on social media still long after the show is over. People really like seeing her family. If she plays her cards right she could easily be making more money on social media than the show.

Just the two? 😆

This bares revisiting. 🤣 It’s truly awful. A reply: Tyler, your “poems” are impossible to read. Trying to do so makes my brain begin to bleed. You’re not Shakespeare, aka The Bard You’re more of what 50 Cent would call a wankster fucktard Pontificating, as you do, out of your ass Gives the impression you’ve scarcely ever even taken an English class Your poetry is for all naught Because many of your followers are bots that you simply bought <<Insert another “deep” thought>> Without writing classes you’ll never have any talent...and even then, GL. As long as she ain’t no heifer... Holy shit I literally didn’t even realize this was Catelynn at first! 😲 Tyler forced her to place Carly for adoption thus contributing to her issues. They can’t have the blind adoration of being a celebrity without also getting flack for dumb or ugly choices. Echoing everyone else that says she needs to get off social media. It’s toxic for her. I know you meant Leah Remini but since she looks like the drag version of LR “Leah Gemini” should be Catelynn’s drag stage name 😂 Is that not common sense to most? He should get “waste not, want not” next, then he can stare at that one when he’s wondering where all the money went and they’re broke. What a waste of money, it’s horrid! That’s the ugliest effing tattoo I’ve ever seen. -Regina George And more money wasted. #Pride ...yes And it seems like since day one Nova has been NotCarly. Apparently giving their children complexes is their “thing.” Gross. What the fuck is wrong with people? Like it would be good for Carly for Tyler and Catelynn to suddenly have joint custody of her! Or for her parents to have their rights terminated! That must be a young kid but the decent writing and spelling make me pause with that idea. Exactly what I was thinking. They’ve done none of the things they supposedly were going to be able to accomplish due to to placing Carly! I know it’s Catelynn but “lady’s” is fucking ridiculous and my friend’s 11 year old daughter, who often texts me, wouldn’t even make that error! Maybe it’s easier when you weigh 82 pounds like Maci. Yuck for the rest of us, though. So ugly too.

Maybe it’s a message from JACE to David! And Jenelle. It’s pretty sad if you take “beat” literally. That’s sweet. We won’t forget even if Jenelle already has. ❤️ He’s definitely been in her care before, but I don’t think it was an official agreement for custody like it is with Jace, but just temporary for whatever reason (Ashleigh seems to have some issues). I read somewhere that now it’s only babysitting and Ashleigh is parenting. She has another son too, but I don’t think he ever has been on the show or in pictures. They have different fathers, maybe the other father has custody of him and that’s why. Barb and Ashleigh seem to have a far better relationship than Barb and Jenelle or Ashleigh and Jenelle have. It is! The picture of Ensley holding the hand of the CG person is the first time I’ve thought Ensley looked kind of cute. Maybe she is actually cute and the ugliness of her parents prevented me from seeing it before.

I feel like Kailyn might be rude and standoff-ish because she’s seemingly that way all the time anyway, intentional or not. I feel like Chelsea would possibly be awkward and that might make her appear rude but in actuality it should be normal for them to feel weird about “fan encounters.” They’re just regular (albeit mostly terribly flawed) people who are filmed “living their lives.” What would you say to someone who walked up to you in Target and started “fangirling” at you? I’d probably run away. 😆 I listen to Macaulay Culkin’s podcast (seriously, he’s HILARIOUS) and he said that it’s still weird for him and it happens to him multiple times a day and has for decades. He said his go-to when someone recognizes him and starts “fanning out” is to just say “thanks” and keep it moving. There’s really not much more to say on his part and yet the fan always thinks it should be some big thing. I could see some fans finding that “rude” but really it’s just normal to not have a lot to say to a random stranger who “knows you” when you don’t know them at all. The people who love it and full embrace the fan worship are the ones who weird me out. I’m usually pretty good at google, etc but I’m still not finding stories of “fan encounters” with the girls pretty much anywhere and I’d love to read them.

I don’t see how the occasional (and Barb does only typically post on occasion, when they’re at an event or actually doing something, as opposed to posting daily about their typical lives) picture of them having fun takes away from their privacy or having a happy childhood. How does posting the photos not “let them be?” They probably don’t even know she’s posting them to begin with so it literally has no bearing on their lives at this point. I wouldn’t post my (hypothetical) kid on social media at all, but I’m not a public figure and most people don’t have those same beliefs anyway. Most people with kids are posting them on SM and it’s not detracting from their happy, normal childhoods. I don’t disagree with a lot of what you’re saying but I don’t see how posting a few pictures of them in public spaces is taking any of that away.

Do you remember where you read any of them? I’ve been looking and I can’t find any stories of “fans” meeting Chelsea, positive or negative, aside from “Target Girl.” I’ve just found a few articles where she had tweeted that fans were coming to her door and that it freaked her out, which is completely understandable, IMO.

Free? That’s awesome! Is that Nugget as your avatar? 😔

Jenelle claims a lot of shit that’s patently false. That could easily be another bullshit claim on her part. I seriously hope it’s not true. Assuming/presuming something and KNOWING, with provable facts that can be taken to court, are very different things. Who knows what Jace felt at liberty to say or not. He’s probably a lot more ready to share now than he was before, when he knew he’d still have to face Jenelle and David again on The Land. I bet a lot is coming out now, since he doesn’t have that hanging over his head, that Barb wasn’t factually aware of before. Obviously she knew there were issues, I think that’s part of why she made such an effort to “befriend” Jenelle, but if Barb couldn’t prove her inklings there was no case yet. I still don’t see how posting the pics Barb was taking anyway harms the kids. They still had the same day together they would’ve with or without her posting them. It’s surely less invasive than a camera crew.

I haven’t ever seen anything about Chelsea being rude to fans or anything negative about her from a local, what? Apparently Chelsea is selling “Mama” stuff and I missed that somehow. From twitter:

Were there pics of Barb ever at their house? If not, I’m not convinced she ever actually went there. They probably kept her from seeing it and most or all of the bad things going on there. I definitely side eye the drunken “partying her ass off” with Jenelle but I don’t think that means she was fully abreast of what was occurring or observed the state of The Land herself. I’m not sure of the legalities but I don’t think she had a right to demand to see The Land and check the conditions. IF Barb DID go to The Land and see all that, that’s a serious issue....and would definitely make me question her judgement. I don’t think she’s that dumb, which is why I have to believe she didn’t see direct evidence until proven otherwise.

Wouldn’t that fall under kinship fostering? I mean if Barb didn’t take Ensley and no other family member could/would she would be with a foster family. So what is the difference being with a family member or not? It’s not exactly the same as Barb just being her grandmother since she has assumed custody. It makes sense to me that there would be different guidelines but are there actual legal differences and what exactly are they? Anyone know?

Another, just posted: (I’m not crazy, they were each at the top of my feed when I checked Instagram) Barb doesn’t seem to know you can post multiple pictures under one post. 😆 Here’s another: It’s so good to see them doing something normal and it’s good for them to see positive people WITH JOBS and actual careers, like the CG.

I read that it was postponed due to everything going on.

Barb just posted: I guess that means they get to meet and hear about the CG? I’m not near any coasts so I’ve never heard of this.

Not sure if you’ll see my edited post above but it appears to be true... https://www.fafsonline.org/fact_sheets/social-media-kyi.pdf Everything you’re saying makes sense to me but apparently there is this rule in place. Maybe the site hasn’t been updated if the law is new.

Loss of Child Custody vs. Termination of Parental Rights Introduction The purpose of this guide is to clear the confusion between two commonly misunderstood legal terms: loss of child custody and termination of parental rights. These two concepts are commonly mistaken for one another, and they have two very different outcomes. Loss of Child Custody In a nutshell, loss of custody does not affect the legal relationship between you and your child, only the living arrangements. If you lose custody of your child, you no longer have the right to have your child live with you. Furthermore, you may lose the ability to make decisions as to your child’s daily care. However, you still have the right to ask for visitation. You also maintain the right to challenge or change the custody determination at a later date. Legally, you still have a say in influencing your child’s values, religion, schooling and healthcare, and your child can still automatically inherit from your estate or vice versa absent a will saying otherwise. And, most importantly, you maintain responsibility to support your child financially (that is, you are not excused from paying child support!). In Virginia, either parent can petition to change child custody, and it will be granted if they can show a judge that there is a sufficient change in circumstances to warrant a modification. These orders are final, but only to the extent that they too can be modified if another change in circumstances occurs. Termination of Parental Rights On the other hand, if your parental rights are terminated, you are completely cut off from your child, both physically and legally. You would have no right to have any say in the child's daily care or upbringing, all inheritance rights are eliminated, and you would have no right or ability to even contact the child without consent of the child's adoptive parents. This decree also removes the responsibility of the terminated parent to pay child support. A parent cannot "sign over" his or her parental rights voluntarily except in adoption cases. In termination cases, there must be another adult available to take the place of the terminated parent before a court will even consider taking such a drastic step, which is generally what happens in stepparent and third party adoptions. The parent(s) who stand to lose parental rights must consent in these situations. Involuntary termination, on the other hand, can only be sought by the Department of Child Protective Services in cases of abuse and neglect. And unlike child custody orders, these orders cannot be reversed or changed -- they are permanent. https://www.avvo.com/legal-guides/ugc/loss-of-child-custody-vs-termination-of-parental-rights So far, they’ve “just” lost custody, not their rights, so it’s kind of like Jenelle has had with Jace all along...except it wasn’t willingly and the courts and DHS are involved this time. The Easons have to pay support as of now, even if they never actually see their kids again. Unless they have their parental rights terminated, then they don’t have to pay from that point forward and are legally nothing to their kids. But they would still owe back support from before their rights were actually terminated.

BIG EDIT: @smores You’re totally right about foster children not being on social media, etc. I find it kind of odd in a family situation, like with Barb but here are the facts: https://www.fafsonline.org/fact_sheets/social-media-kyi.pdf Apparently the people I previously referenced were breaking the rules, or perhaps they had some kind of special permission.

Hopefully that will bite them in the ass. Everyone is safer (and happier) if they’re both in gel from not paying. 8/10 of my county’s “most wanted” are for child support. They don’t screw around with that, at least in my state. I also found this about NC: It’s not as cut and dry in their situation as this says but Jenelle did get fired due to making it impossible for her to film. I just hope that somehow works against them. We know Jenelle has little “earning capacity” now but wouldn’t it be AMAZING if they were like, you’ve made 6 figures since before you were an adult and your whole adult life so far...now you’re expected to continue, so it’s used for support! Hah. It would just be GREAT if her earning all that money all those years was the thing that ruined her financially in the end. From that same site: That should apply to at least Maryssa, Jenelle tried “her best” to look like she was taking on a parental role, with the cheer, etc, for a hot minute. I don’t really understand what determines “assuming a parental role” actually means. David definitely thought he was the boss of Kaiser... I hope they’re both fucked. You cannot ask to have your rights terminated and if they are terminated they still may have to pay. I’m not totally sure how that works but I know of a few people (related to my job) who have lost their children and still pay. I also know of at least one who doesn’t pay but that was an agreement with the family member who assumed custody. This probably differs by state. I think Nathan could, for example, say that he will assume all responsibility for Kaiser and as long as he had someone else (I think, maybe it can just be him alone) to say they will also assume responsibility for Kaiser as well he will allow Jenelle to terminate her rights then it can happen if Jenelle agrees. This is what happened to allow Paislee to be adopted by her mom’s new husband and Adam’s rights to be terminated. They all agreed. The courts can obviously choose to terminate a parent’s rights but that will take awhile and have many more steps. All the current caregivers should be receiving support while it’s on going, I’m pretty sure that’s universal. I’m going to look into support payments for court ordered forced termination of parental rights in NC, if not federal. The site with the NC divorce info. (There’s probably way better sites.) https://www.divorcenet.com/resources/remarriage-and-child-support-north-carolina.html

And they’re not even TOGETHER 97% (scientifically determined percentage 😆) of the time! It’s not even like The Real Housewives, where they’re pretend friends part of the year for filming! Ensley has no fucking clue who Kailyn or Chelsea even is. 🙄 Did she even “meet” them as an infant FFS? She definitely hasn’t had the chance to in toddlerhood. The fact Leah even commented is special.