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No sneak peeks? That's strange. I'm sure they could have found a minute they could've released without risking it being too spoiler-y.

Maybe since the big reunion isn't until 708 we're going to see a phone call between Oliver and Felicity near the end of the episode? Maybe a "I'm coming home"/"You're coming home" exchange?

Because then everyone else would have to care about something other than their great new lives or look even worse than they already do by not targeting Diaz if they knew it could get Oliver out of prison? No, really, they just obviously don’t care about Oliver, considering weren’t they making cracks about getting credit in 706 after Oliver went to prison and got them all immunity deals? The way they’re writing Diggle, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Oliver had planned that and Diggle knew it and still told Felicity to move on because they could always ignore that for an upcoming scene just like Diggle claimed she “pushed him out.” Or just this:

Now I’m picturing Laurel’s argument going as follows: “Oliver is the best man to capture Diaz. He even had him last May until I - I mean, someone, totally not me, screamed him off the roof presumably trying to kill him, or help him escape, depending on how you look at it/if the writers wanted me to be good or bad this season. So I heard. Not because I was there or that someone. I was elsewhere at the time, even if multiple FBI agents may have claimed to see me on the scene and maybe even heard one of them mention I’m from another Earth. Totally not true.”

That would annoy me because I’m sure it’ll happen again. Though we’ve probably had all the Felicity/Diggle scenes we’ll have this season already, based on the number we’ve had in past seasons. Gotta make sure to get plenty Diggle/Dinah though, of course. (I may need to write a post in the bitterness thread about Dinah soon-ish.)

If Maya is a Queen, I expect Dinah to voice her distrust about her pretty much immediately. “William, your sister changed these last few years. Roy, she’s Oliver and Felicity’s kid, how can we trust her?” If Maya somehow turns out to be BS’ kid - I’ll never believe she’s also Oliver’s in that case, even if Arrow tells me she is - Dinah probably would embrace her since she’s showing more care for BS than Felicity in the present. (Still bitter about that)

All I know is if Oliver and Felicity aren’t reunited at the end of 707, I don’t want to see him reunited with anyone yet. Felicity better be the first person he sees.

We could get both - Maya revealed to be William’s sister, but she calls Felicity by name instead of Mom to make viewers question who her mom is (but it’s simply that something happened and she’s mad so Felicity is Felicity instead of Mom right now).

I dont remember how I found it but I read something about not expecting to see the big reunion in 707. Don’t know if it was reliable or not and can’t find it again. But im going into 707 not expecting a reunion so if we get it, it’ll be a nice surprise, instead of expecting one and feeling let down if we don’t.

From what I’ve seen on Tumblr about the episode, I think we might have to wait until 708.

Honestly, I feel like I wouldn't mind Felicity not being in it much if I didn't expect to also see FFs where Dinah's everywhere, you know? I completely understand why it's going to be Oliver's episode and I want an Oliver-centric episode, especially since it's going to be the last one he's in prison for -- I wouldn't feel the same if say, we knew he wasn't going to get out until 711 or later and we had to sit through a prison-centric episode after already seeing him there for 6 episodes and knowing he'd be there for multiple episodes after. But isn't this also the episode introducing KM? Meaning FFs? Meaning more Dinah and "Felicity is totally dead and evil and we don't care" nonsense.

True. I think it's just my hatred of all things Diaz that's affecting my judgment already. And if they suddenly make him a "worthy" villain, it's not like we're going to forget everything that happened before 707. Oh, very true, and I don't even know if I expect the episode to be bad. I just don't know if I'm going to think it's as great as I feel it's been hyped as, from the press and reddit.

I don't know, I'm wary about this episode. I was skimming reddit and saw someone post they had spoilers and were happy about what happens ... and you know reddit.

Same. We're more likely to see Felicity apologizing to Diggle for "pushing him out" than to see him apologizing to her. And it makes me bitter that I expect that to happen.

I'm too busy laughing at "Black Canary 3.5." I honestly don't know if he means 3.5 pertaining to the costume/design or BC herself. If it's latter, does that make Zoe Black Canary 4? Black Canary 3.75? At this point, they should just go all in the ridiculousness that is BC on Arrow and make one of them Black Canary Pi, to, say, the 15th digit.

Honestly, if someone asked me to guess a S1 character that was coming back, he’d be my not-at-all-serious guess.

I’m looking at it this way: it can’t be as bad as when Chase got the credit for getting Diggle out of prison and Felicity got nothing except judgment for working with Helix.

This is especially bothering me. Has anyone except for Watson even acknowledged that Felicity was almost killed after 701? Dinah told her to go back to witness protection, where she was almost killed. (She even seemed to care more about Laurel being under SCPD protection than Felicity's safety, though I do tend to zone out a bit during Dinah's scenes, so I don't know if that was simply because of her SCPD officers or what.) Diggle thinks she should just "move on" even though that's impossible to do when the person who just almost killed her is still out there and for all they knew, could have tried to do that again and again until he succeeded. In 702, Diggle seemed to think that having ARGUS watching her was enough ... even though ARGUS was watching her in 701 when she was attacked.

The thing is we’re supposed to believe Felicity could have gone evil in the future so they’re showing us stuff in the present to suggest that could be possible. Since I think there’s so much more to the future timeline, I think as that’s revealed, we’re going to see of course Felicity remains a hero in the present day. So we’re supposed to think if Diggle’s questioning her in the present, it makes sense that Dinah’s given up on her in the future. But once that doesn’t need to be the case anymore, they’ll probably ignore all of Diggle’s “concerns” from this episode. For all we know, something involving the dark side of ARGUS could lead Diggle down his own dark path, but he’ll think that’s okay because it’ll be his family at risk. And he’ll expect Felicity to help him, even though he didn’t help her. (And she will, of course.)

Yep. Diggle at least could have offered some support. Even if he told her he couldn’t help through ARGUS. He could’ve told her he’d do whatever he could off the books. “I can’t officially help you, but if you get a lead on Diaz, I’ll be there.” He could’ve gotten caught up in the ARGUS stuff with Lyla and the painting. Then we could’ve still gotten ARGUS Diggle but not the Diggle who cares about everyone else except for Felicity. And Felicity could’ve still had Rene capture the Silencer and turned to BS for help and not told him because he’s ARGUS, not because he doesn’t care. I could’ve then understood any concern about Felicity going dark then. Instead, here we are, figuring she didn’t go dark in the future, she just couldn’t rely on any of her “friends” because she can’t in the present timeline.

Yeah, to be honest, even if Felicity goes 100% evil, I’m going to be 100% on her side because of how the other characters are acting. I really am surprised that Arrow has made me dislike Diggle and actually almost dread his scenes. There have been moments I didn’t like him (307, 617, etc.) but nothing like this. And I know I’m not supposed to. I know I’m supposed to at least see both sides, but I don’t. At all.

Yep. And I hate that I'm feeling so pessimistic about this. Honestly? I'll be happy if I'm wrong and we see Diggle apologize to Felicity for his behavior. I'll be happy to be wrong and see Diggle admit to Oliver that he didn't help his family. I'll be happy to be wrong if Diggle admits to Oliver that while Felicity may have made some questionable decisions, she didn't have any of her "friends" backing up. I expect to see the complete opposite of all of that. I expect Diggle to say that he, Dinah, Curtis and Rene tried oh so hard to help Felicity, but she just wouldn't listen and wouldn't let them help and instead teamed up with Black Siren. I expect Diggle to continue to say she pushed him out. I expect Diggle to tell Oliver that Felicity will "get over it," maybe during a similar training scene to the promo from the crossover (but in a regular Arrow episode with SA-as-Oliver*). Basically, I expect to probably see a strong Oliver/Diggle bromance that ignores everything we've seen from Diggle this season. Oh, and of course we'll get more Diggle/Dinah and Diggle/Curtis scenes. *This of course, depends on how long the Oliver/Felicity strain lasts/if they fully resolve it by/during the crossover or it continues into 710.

Yep. Which I don't understand. And that was before they found Felicity's "plans." It was like, "Well, she changed, so she no longer matters." I hate that William had to remind them they all loved her. Especially because so far, we're seeing nothing in the present or future that suggests Dinah even cares about her just as a citizen of the city she's sworn to protect as its (former) police captain/vigilante.

No

Let me rewrite that sentence. Original: Corrected: "Everyone seems to have forgotten that Laurel Lance was once planning her and Oliver's wedding while he was planning to take her sister on vacation/a sex cruise/etc." (How everyone would have known that? No idea. Maybe she registered. And started going to see venues and caterers?) Oh, true. So here, another rewrite: "Everyone seems to have forgotten alien reality Laurel Lance was once Oliver Queen's fiancee, in a fake world no one knew about except for five people, three of whom are no longer on Arrow. AKA everyone forgot something they never could have known about."