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Well done Cardie. I really enjoyed and appreciated your interpretation. I would love to know how that ballad applies to Dominique as well. I'm hoping there is a good story about her that will be revealed to us. I think there could well be some profound sadness in her history. Perhaps she lost a child once due to tragic circumstances. Or maybe a partner. When she stared at herself in the mirror for a long time, it seemed to me she was sad about something or longing for something. But that song is truly excellent. IMHO, whoever who picks the music for this show is at the top of their form. They played Leonard Cohen's "Who by Fire" in a previous episode. That is another great song. Most everything from him is truly great. After the 20th century has largely faded into memory, I think Leonard Cohen will be one of the few artists who will still be an inspiration to people (providing there are still people remaining). I hope we will eventually learn the significance of these songs (awa others) to the plot of this show. I could be wrong, but I believe this SR (Sam Esmail) doesn't do too much randomly. I hope that many of the things in this show will eventually be shown to have some connection or some meaning to the plot. I'm not a country music fan either. When I was 18, I had a friend who tried to introduce me to country music by playing Tammy Wynette's "Stand by Your Man" over and over again. I wanted to steal his 8-track and destroy it so he couldn't play it again. P.S. Has anyone posted about the connection between the name "Sam Esmail" and the name Elliot chose to fool that employee at the data center? It was "Sam Sepiol". I saw an interesting post on Reddit called, "Sam Sepiol" Easter Egg: Mr. Robot. https://www.reddit.com/r/MrRobot/comments/3itq4o/sam_sepiol_easter_egg/?st=irbsjzrx&sh=c59ec31e This small post seems to reinforce my belief that many of the events in this show that seem to be strange really do have some interesting meaning or connection to other events or the overall plot.

There are a few scenes centering around Dominique (Grace Gummer's character) that seem to me to be clues to future events. One was when she was in the convenience store acting like a ditz or like she was on drugs. Being friendly to the Iranian seemed to me to point to a future event. It must be important the SR made it very clear he was Iranian. I am now waiting for the other shoe to drop so to speak. The scene where she is masturbating seems to be related to the scene where she spends far too much time applying her makeup and looking at her face. I hope that is also somehow related to the song, "Highwayman" which played while she was doing her makeup. My take is that this lady suffers from some profound sadness that is yet to be explained. The scene where she tries to warn the forensics idiots (idiot because he tries to put out a fire with a clipboard) to check the ports on the PC before screwing with them indicates she may be a good match for Elliot - either as an advesary or maybe, later on, as a friend or helper of some kind. I like her character very much.

Evil Corp. killed Angela's mother and she is now in the Dragon's Den trying to take them on. There is a good chance her new boss is trying to set her up as a patsy and will try to get her to take the fall for some future criminal scam. But because she is trying to find a way to get some justice, I can care about her. However, overall, I have to agree with you. There is no other character I can care much about - especially not crazy Darlene (much crazier than her brother IMO). I used to care about Shayla and I was disappointed they killed her off. I would have really liked to get to know more about her.

Thank you for linking to that article. It was good and helpful. But, Dang! Sarah B.'s writing style makes me wish I had a PhD in popular culture. I'm not complaining. I'm just admiring her incredible breadth of knowledge about our culture. I never even realized there was another section to this site that contained articles like that. I'm looking forward to reading the one for Episode 3. Maybe she will discuss that Highwayman song.

I found that song. It's called "Highwayman" and it's sung by a group called "The Highwaymen". It was played in S2E03 at the 25 minute mark. Not being a country music fan, I had never previously heard of this group. It's called a "Supergroup" and consists of Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash, Kris Kristoferson and Waylon Jennings. I listened to some of their music and I thought it was excellent. But I'd like to understand the connection between the song and what is going on in the episode when it is played. The FBI agent, Dominique DiPierro had a fitful night. She had read a news report about the murder of Elliot's old boss (Gideon Goddard) and she wakes up in the morning and is brushing her teeth when this song plays. While it plays, she spends far too much time applying her makeup and looking in the mirror. What is going through her mind? Is it that she's getting older and is disappointed to be living alone and needing to masturbate without having a lover? The song does reflect back on the life of a Highwayman who doesn't seem particularly happy either. But I still don't understand the connection. I'd be surprised if there is no connection between the song and the events on the screen when it plays. This showrunner doesn't seem to do things randomly. I would expect he had a reason for playing that particular song at that particular point in the episode. Would anyone care to state some opinions as to what that might be?

There was a great song played about a Highwayman. I thought it was in this episode, but I just scanned thru it again and can't find it. Can anyone help me and tell me in which episode it was used? Thank you. Cancellation will do it. Short of that, I think he's gonna be a permanent fixture. After all, Christian Slater is listed as a producer of this show. I think it's pretty clear that she is capable of just about anything. Remember what Cersei from GoT said about her children? "I will burn cities to the ground in order to protect my children". I think Joanna is ever bit as serious and as "whacked out" as Cersei. I made another post in which I said that she seems like a good match for Elliot. By that I meant that she seems every bit as knowledgeable and as clever as he is and the contest (or struggle) between the two of them should be a real rollicking adventure and should fill the rest of this season. I anticipate it will be the highlight of this season. I get a similar creepy sensation about him. I would guess that he is trying to "play" Angela. By that I mean he will make her appear to be the primary person who is implementing some plan that will backfire on E corp and Angela will be left holding the bag. I would guess that Price intends to walk away from the mess with a ton of cash and leave Angela to take all the blame. I apologize for messing up the facility to make multiple quotes from a single post. I hope to have it working next time I try it. I just didn't want to leave some ugly empty post in this thread and have to ask a moderator to delete it.

OK. Sorry. I didn't see your request before making my second post. From now on I will refer to Elliot by using his full name. Thank you for making your desire known in a nice courteous manner. I'm happy to oblige you. P.S. I will spell his name correctly unless you have some reason for preferring "Eliot"?

Hello. I have not read all the posts in this thread and I sure do hope I haven't duplicated anyone else's speculations with this post. If I have, please accept my apologies and I will edit this post and delete the parts that duplicate anyone else's speculation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I would like to speculate what may develop in S2 and beyond. This speculation stems from a post I made here: http://forums.previously.tv/topic/45805-s02e04-eps22_init1asec/#comment-2445924 You may want to take a look at this post. It explains somewhat better how and why I'm predicting the show will develop in this way. Of course, the odds are slim. But I'm just trying to have some fun. Do you remember the scene in S2E04 where Dominique is talking with some man (presumably an FBI agent) and some other FBI techs are examing a PC that I think belonged to Romero (one of the members of fSociety)? D asks the male agent what the techs are doing and a few seconds later, one of the techs touches a port on that PC and the port bursts into flames. I think that scene was a clue to the audience that suggests there could well be a relationship that develops between Elliot and D. She was just about to warn that FBI tech that they should take some precautions before messing about with the PC and because they didn't, they lost all the data that may have been on that PC. Of course, I can't be certain about that. But my point is that scene seemed to hint to us that this lady is a match for Elliot. She is sufficiently knowledgeable and smart enough to give Elliot a run for his money. She may even be able to investigate and arrest Elliot. Also, the scene where she is masturbating in bed. I think that scene may be a clue that she is open to some kind of romantic adventure and perhaps some kind of relationship could develop between her and Elliot. That is all kind of speculative. But, if it develops in that way, then perhaps the show could well develop along the following lines: S2 - a relationship will develop between Elliot and D (Dominique DiPierro) - the FBI agent. There will be some tension deciding whether she will arrest him and charge him with some crime. That could be the major focus for S2. S3 - a very evil force appears in the show and the audience begins to learn this "Evil Doer" is planning on making some very serious attack(s) on the USA. D decides to go "rogue" and drop the idea of arresting Elliot in order to recruit him to help her defeat TED (The Evil Doer). Elliot agrees and S3 is the story of how Elliot becomes a hero (possibly only to D because everything is so secretive). S4 - there are some unfortunate developments (perhaps Elliot develops some serious illness that threatens his life or his mental illness get worse and he finds himself planning to help people attacking the USA (either with his knowledge or because he was deceived). In any case, Elliot has to choose between helping D to fight TED or becoming an ED himself. In the end, we would hope that Elliot aligns with the Forces of Good and overcomes the dark part of his nature or his illness. Essentially, he will join the Forces of Good and reject the Forces of Evil. S5 - Elliot learns that his illness will kill him somehow and he has to train someone or some group to take over from him and to help D in the fight against all ED's around the world to save America and our way of life - all our freedoms and our Democracy. OK. All of this can be considered highly foolish. I'm just making these predictions to have some fun. The show may never last for five seasons and even if it does, it may not develop in this way at all. But I'm just thinking of the classic struggle between good and evil as it is usually portrayed in great stories like Star Wars or some of the other classic Greek stories. Anyway, I'm just trying to have some fun with this.

That's very interesting because her character seriously intrigues me. For those who are interested but may not know, Grace plays the FBI agent "Dominique Pierro". She also had a part in the film "The Homesman" with Tommy Lee Jones. I am intrigued by her character because I think her mind operates in a way that is very similar to Elliot's. In fact, I'm hoping they develop some kind of relationship by the end of this season. Maybe even friends (in a way that doesn't involve her arresting him). Remember how she asked about the PC the technicians were trying to examine and then ... POOF!!! Just a few seconds after she asks, they touch one of the ports and the PC erupts in flames. Putting aside the question of whether or not that is even possible, (seems very unlikely to me that is a good way to protect one's private data), I would think that scene contains a clue and predicts an ongoing future conflict or contest between Elliot and D - maybe even running for the rest of this season? I know. I know. It's highly unlikely - really, just a shot in the dark. But it gets me excited to think that may actually happen. It's as if she is a natural "match" for Elliot. One out of a million people whose mind is sufficiently knowledgeable and clever enough to give Elliot a run for his money. Put that together with the scene where she is masturbating in bed and I get the feeling that signals the duo may soon be sharing some sexual trysts. I would really enjoy that - especially if they start discussing hacking and "how to catch a hacker". That would make the story very interesting. I would expect many people would come to the show if that happened. Besides, I'm sure it would be very interesting to see just how those two would manifest their sexual desires. Would it be some mundane "missionary position" stuff? Or would they go for some exciting S&M or B&D? I would hope the show runner would realize people would expect some fast and furious sex entertainment from these two characters. Just like Pavlov's Pooch, I find my mouth is watering at the prospect of just what may happen. Did you ever see the film "The Thomas Crown Affair"? (the one from 1968 with Steve McQueen). It wasn't all that great a movie but the contest between McQueen and Faye Dunaway was great fun and I'd really enjoy seeing something similar between Elliot & D. P.S. I know this may be a little off topic, but I am seriously unhappy to have to accept that Shayla is gone from the show now. I really liked her and thought it was important for Elliot to have at least one potential gf. Admittedly, Shayla was not very good for Elliot (being a drug dealer and all). But it seemed to me that the two of them were on track to have some nice romatic escapades. How exciting it would be to have a hot girl living across the hall from my apartment.

Cardie, I think your post is quite valid - very interesting as well. You must be correct about needing to understand the technical issues involved in hacking being a prerequisite to enjoy this show. If people had to understand the details of how hacking worked in order to enjoy this show, the ratings would be near zero. So, it seems highly likely that the enjoyment of this show cannot require much of an understanding of the technical aspects of hacking. I suppose hacking can be viewed in much the same way as if someone broke into your home while you were out and stole some of your things and recorded some of your information and then used that information to do all manner of evil things to you (i.e. Identity Theft) - like emptying your bank accounts or blackmailing you on account of some of your secrets. Good post!

I am in my 60s. But I still feel like I was 18. I know many people my age whose physical and mental functions seem to have slowed down considerably. But I feel like I'm just as sharp as I was when I was a student. What is the significance of this to your post? Well, I have worked all my life with computers. My abilities are nowhere close to those of Elliot or his "friends" in fSociety. But I do work with some great tools and I have pulled off a few exploits on the Internet. But, nowhere near the capabilities of real hackers. I tell you this as background so you can judge the merit of my opinions in this matter. IMHO, the main criteria required for people to "get this hacking stuff" is not physical age. It is the experience that people have had and their natural inclination to understanding logical thinking and solving puzzles. I would guess the vast majority of people who use the Internet have no idea how to even begin to go about trying to hack into someone else's web site or other facility. But the people who have the requisite experience (mainly those who understand how to use Linux and how to program and have studied the way that communications work on the Internet). They are the people who are much more likely to understand the technical goings of in this show. Most importantly, they are the people who have the aptitude for this kind of stuff. Did you watch Episode 00 of Season Two? It was quite good and if you look at the people who were interviewed - especially the one fellow who said he is responsible for putting together most of the screen shots that are shown when we see people trying to hack into various sites. That person is pretty much an expert on Internet security for corporations. His "job" is basically to help protect corporations and government agencies. To protect them from unauthorized "evil doers" (like Elliot) who use their skills to break into their sites and either steal or change information or do some much more serious crimes. Some people just seem to have an aptitude for learning to program and understanding how to solve puzzles. They are the people to whom "hacking" comes easily. People who have a high aptitude for understanding how to program computers are better at it than many people who have attended university and studied for years. IMHO, it has very little to do with physical age. With the proper aptitude, people can gain the experience very quickly and learn how to hack and are much better at it than people are who do not have that aptitude - regardless of how much they have studied. I've met several people that you would never guess can do this stuff. But they just have a great aptitude for it and they can do all kinds of amazing stuff. A great example is Mark Zuckerberg. According to Wikipedia, he was only 20 years old when he created Facebook. But he had an extremely high aptitude for computers and the Internet and everything just seemed to come naturally to him. A very small percentage of the population are gifted in that way. The real mystery (to me anyway) is why almost all of them live in The Ukraine or North Korea. (j/k).

Oh my! IMHO, you have made some excellent observations here. I am deeply agog! I'm not joking. I just couldn't find a word better than "agog".

There is one thing that really angered me. That was when that asshole who played Krista met her and kept crying that, "He stole my dog. He stole my dog." He didn't steal your dog. He rescued your dog from your abuse and took her into his care which was a million times more humane than your care. You are a low life, lying, cheating, scumbag. You just knew that if you refused to give the dog to him, E would make certain facts about your behavior widely known and your life would become extremely unhappy extremely quickly. It was much easier for you to give him your dog. But it was also a very cowardly thing to do - despite the fact that you never even liked Flipper. You abused her and may very well have physically hurt her. You yanked on her leash so hard that you lifted her whole body up in the air suspended by the collar around her neck. You don't deserve to own a dog and in a perfect world, you would never be allowed to own one. Also, in a perfect world, someone might well cut off the hand you used to yank on her leash. I get very angry when I see people abusing dogs and I often imagine doing really harmful things to them. I would really love to see that creep get some justice. Much like the justice that Ramsay Bolton got in GoT.

You're not alone. I have to watch each episode several times and I don't just mean 2 or 3 times. Many more times than that. And even after watching each episode that many times, there is still so much I don't understand. My biggest confusion is the relationship between E and his father. Seems to me the most natural explanation is that E feels he was abused by his father and now his father seems to appear to him. Although the appearance of his father is really just a symptom of his mental illness. But why didn't he recognize the Mr. Robot character as being his father? He was old enough to remember what his father looked like. So, maybe it's a limitation of the TV medium that his father cannot appear to him in the same way as he appears to the audience. I mean when we look at the Christian Slater character, we recognize him as Elliot's father and the name Mr. Robot was used by his father to name his computer store back in 1991. So, perhaps it will be explained one day that although we see Elliot's father appear as Christian Slater, E sees something very different when he looks at that character. He doesn't see that the character looks like his father. It's impossible for TV to show the same character in two different ways. It appears as Christian Slater. But although that is what we see when we see that character, perhaps E sees something very different and that could explain a part of this mystery. But I feel that I'm just clutching at straws here when I try to understand this mystery. I would really appreciate any help that anyone else could offer to explain this.

I wanted to know when the post was made because I didn't know when the season ended. It seemed silly to me to post some serious questions and comments about this show if the season ended a long time ago. Sorry for any inconvenience. Thank you Peggy.

I fully agree with you. I just wish I could figure out when you made your post. Today is July 20, 2016 and I just finished watching Season 2 today. But, for some reason, I can't see the month or year of your post. It just shows as being made on Sunday. I suppose I have to assume that means Sunday July 17, 2016. But it makes it very difficult for me to write a reply if I can't tell when you made your post. I'm guessing it's more than likely some defect in my understanding. I guess it's just been that kind of week.

atomationage, Winners & Losers looks like a real winner to me. Thanks for the recco!

Yes. This is very true. They would have to do some research and maybe find some people who know two languages that could commuinicate. They'd have to know what language Kilgrave does speak but, it's a worthwhile strategy to study and the writers could probably make a good episode out of Jessica trying to use that strategy - even if it fails - it could be very entertaining.

OK. For anyone who may be interested, I just thought of a good strategy they could use to defeat Kilgrave or anyone who ever gets a power similar to his. You get maybe 20 people who don't speak a word of English and don't understand it and they surround Kilgrave and either bind him up and gag him and carry him off or beat him unconscious or kill him - depending on just what the circumstances are. That would be more effective than wearing earplugs or headphones which can always be removed.

I mentioned a min-series called "O.J. - Made in America" earlier in this thread and I just watched it all the way through and would like to tell you a little more about it. First off - it's really great. I was very surprised how excellent this 5 part mini-series was. I especially recommend Part 1 and Part 5. Part 1 concerns the beginnings of OJ's career - from the time he was a young child until he started playing pro Football. Part 5 was fantastic. It dealt with everything that happened after he was found Not Guilty of the two murders. It was so powerful. I never knew any of the details of what happened to him. I'm sure anyone who doesn't know these details will really like Part 5. It concerns how he got about 20 men together - one of whom had a handgun - and they burst into a room of someone who was selling some of OJ's memorabilia. Long story short - OJ got a huge prison sentence. There were so many amazing coincidences too. Like the sentence was delivered exactly 7 years to the day from the time he was found not guilty of the murders. Another coincidence was the 33 years to which he was sentenced was exactly one year for each of the $33 million dollars that OJ was ordered to pay in the civil case but he never paid any of that. This was mentioned very near the end of Part 5. One of the commentators referred to these coincidences as "white man's justice" and seemed to imply it was somehow payback for the mistakes made by the prosecution in the criminal case that enabled OJ to walk away. Very powerful mini-series. Very entertaining. I also want to say this show really changed my opinion of Marcia Clark. After watching American Crime Story, I felt she was treated unfairly and that she had worked hard to do her job but that she got a raw deal. After listening to her in this show, my opinion changed and I now hold the opinion that she is really kind of a jerk and got what she deserved (except for all the millions she was paid for her books and her work on some TV shows). See for yourself. Anyway, I have to say that the level of drama in this series is very close to that from American Crime Story. It's hard to say which show was better. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5275892/

Heh. I had no idea the Small Talk forum was local to Jessica Jones. I was hoping it was available for all shows. I want to recommend a somewhat little known TV show to everyone. I'll have to find the proper forum for that.

Zak is a very beautiful lady and I would be pleased if she won - not just because of her looks, but also her personality seems to be very pleasant and she seems o have a genuine concern for others. IMHO, she is a very classy young lady. I think there is a very good chance you are correct about D. But, IMHO, the thing that makes people get so vocal in their hate for her is that she has such a big mouth. It's like she has no filter between her brain and her mouth. She just doesn't ever think twice about saying mean and ugly shit about other people and I think that is possibly the single biggest factor that makes her such a huge magnet for shit. People seem to really like to talk terrible shit about her and I can understand why.

I recently got curious about the relationship between Jessica Jones and other Marvel comic heroes. I'm guessing that most all of you already know what I'm about to post. But I searched for "marvel comics list rank most popular" and found a link were someone claims they can rank the top 25 best Marvel Superheroes. I never got into any of the Marvel superheros before. I do not want to offend anyone, but I found most all of the characters listed on that site to be completely boring - especially the X-Men franchise and all their members. I'm guessing that many people here may like those comics and movies and as I said, I don't wish to offend anyone. The only superheroes I ever held an interest as a child were Superman, Batman and some strange group of American warriors who flew jet planes. I think it was called "Black Hawk" or something similar. But I have no idea if they were a Marvel franchise. Anyway, here is the link to that site if anyone is interested. Sadly, they list Jessica Jones in last place: http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/09/10/top-25-best-marvel-superheroes?page=5 However, you may find some interesting facts about Jessica Jones. I found a few that I would never have before guessed. For example: Note to Sakura12. I liked Agent Carter for a while but eventually got tired of it. Very strangely, this site makes no mention of Agent Carter. Some of you may find this article interesting. But be careful because it is full of spoiler info that might seriously spoil things for you concerning the second season. If you don't get spoiled by this site, I hope you will enjoy that article and I most especially hope you will enjoy the next season of Jessica Jones.

Well put! I had not seen the topic from that perspective before. That makes a few things much more clear for me. Thanks so much.

But, I think it was worth a try. It was a shame they decided not to keep this villian alive for future seasons. As villians go, he was pretty damn terrific. Don't you think? In any case, I sure hope they find a new villian for next season who is maybe even half as villianous as that guy. If I don't parlez with any of you until next season, thank you all very much for answering my questions. I sure did appreciate your help. I think you folks are all pretty teriffic. In the end, I'd be interested to know just who were your favorite characters this season as well as your least favorite. The lady who lost her twin brother had to be one of my least favorites. Her circumstances were very unique and she could have been an interesting character. But I found her to be such a miserable mess. She had almost zero redeeming characteristics. I thought it would have been quite easy to have this character behave in a few ways that would have made her somewhat endearing to the audience. But, sadly, her character was written so that she just appeared "batshit crazy" without any positive attributes. I found myself wishing that someone would just remove her head instead of her brothers. Sigh ... Oh well.