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I wouldn't necessarily put Amber above Jenelle. She is scary, scary violent. I think she might even be *more* uncontrollably violent than Jenelle.

Yep. Him complaining about it now is no different from Briana bitching about Luis. Deal with it, people. You reap what you sow...don't bang club dudes or reality show girls.

That's true. Not one of them is innocent of that.

So there are these things called condoms, Chris...use them next time. I'm pretty sure they're available at Walgreens. Or maybe just don't have sex with people you're not into, douchebag. That tends to cause problems when it CREATES CHILDREN.

I would agree with this list except that Leah/Corey engage in serious neglect by not taking care of Ali's disability properly. That is just one grievance but it is a very, very serious one IMO. By the same token, it's confusing because what are we really rating here? Kailyn WITH her kids directly actually seems pretty good, but what she subjects them to and the messed up lives they have because of the 3 baby daddies and constant upheaval take a lot of that away. And I don't think Farrah is actually bad with Sophia at all. The thing she does do, though, is subject her to the fights with her mom, which we could consider emotionally abusive. And then Amber is terrible with her daughter, but at least she's not around all that much to mess her up since she's usually sleeping or lazing around on the couch with Latest Matt. Like...at least she's a deadbeat so the poor kid doesn't have to see her much. So I really don't know how I could rate these people as parents. The parameters of shitty parenthood levels would have to be clearer.

On the bright side, you can't really see David's face in this pic.

I've seen a lot of pineapple decor on Etsy/Pinterest. I think that's more about Kail trying to be "suburban Pinterest mom" than stoner chic.

Omg I forgot about the leave of absence to move to a different house. Admittedly, I just moved a week after my baby was born for my husband's job and never quit working myself except for that one week, so I'm bitter that that was considered so "stressful." I like Chelsea ok, but I'd love to see the princess have to do something like that... I'm a slob myself so can't really comment on the house. The housework fairy skipped me. But I get what you're saying.

Well, I think we can definitely all agree that uncontrollable diarrhea AND vomiting would be better than dating one of the fantastic four.

This. I think any one of the 4 could easily murder someone, but I think David, Adam or Nathan would do it on impulse, and Matt would currently be slightly better at hiding the body. Give the first three time. Yes, that's the level of comparison to which we've been forced to sink, y'all! This show is doing things to me.

He was accused of rape. Not even David and Nathan were accused of that, as far as we know.

Nathan's drugs of choice are alcohol and 'roids, which exacerbate his existing rage. I think David must be using as well, which makes him worse than he probably "normally" (lol as if there's a normal for these people) is. Coke is my guess. Wasn't there a blind item about that a while back? PS I still somehow hate Matt slightly more than any of these people. I don't think I have ever been so creeped out by anyone on any show.

We have a Sheetz 'round the corner and it is AWESOME. It's not a "gas station" like you might think of at all. They have great sandwiches and a full menu. My dad recently had a heart attack and eats a very strict diet and he can find plenty of options there. That said...that's obviously not what Leah buys there. I don't think she knows much about nutrition at all. I don't expect people to go all-organic and vegan for their kids but fruit alongside a normal deli sandwich would be nice sometimes. All we ever see them eating is total junk. I've noticed it with Jenelle too, obviously, but even Kail as well. Every time they're out to eat, Isaac and Lincoln are eating chicken tenders and fries.

A lot of babies' eyes look a little glazed like that. Poor little girl. She's got such an awful family.

I agree. Ali does seem unusually intelligent to me, especially compared to her dim parents. She seems to have a good vocabulary. She probably gets bored quickly. @Sprockets I'm with you on Chelsea and Cole. I know it's an unpopular opinion and I think Cole really is a very nice man, but I also find something fake about them. Not that they're faking their happiness with one another, I'm certain they are indeed happy, but it's always *very* over the top on camera.

Upon rewatching it- Maryssa and Jenelle both have the "battered woman" lookaway/silence/blank look down. It's sad that Maryssa has already had to perfect that. Her face in that one shot looks petrified. She knows the score. That poor girl. Kaiser is a toddler so he hasn't learned yet like Maryssa has. And Ensley is still too little-- but that poor poor baby. I am biased towards being concerned about her because I have a newborn, but she just looks so blank. Neglected from birth.

There are beach wheelchairs as well. If people can't afford them, a LOT of public parks rent them. I wish they would all-around educate themselves about this stuff.

This is true. I don't smoke anymore with a baby in the house (though it's legal in my state for everyone) but I definitely enjoyed it in the past, and I love my wine in the evenings. Still, I gave it up during pregnancy and so did my husband (solidarity) with no issues. I missed wine every now and again but that was it. If you literally can't stop you obviously have a problem.

Because the shorts were what David threw down into her pit that morning. "it wears the shorts or else it gets the hose again"

Seriously. Why does she think it's ok to post his private business online, much less use it as an excuse for on-camera abuse? Whatever medical issues he has or therapy he needs are private matters.

Wait, what?!?! Why don't they just write checks? I'm pretty sure Puerto Rico doesn't want you there taking away even more of their resources.

Yep, as soon I hear about "kings" and such I immediately get uncomfortable and feel like it's probably going down that road.

Isaac is going to wind up being one of those boys who is expected to be his mother's partner/husband in every way but sexually (obviously).

This last part is what I will never get. I understand it's The Holler but surely there are some kind of goddamn activities that aren't sports. It would be like dragging your introverted kid who HATES acting and loves science along to every single acting class and forcing them into it repeatedly alongside their extroverted, artsy sibling, and then wondering why both of them are constantly annoyed. Why?! Just put one in science club and one in drama club! It's just to prove a point that she *will* do the exact same things as her sister, or some other ignorant thing. They want her to be "typical" but in typical families, kids have different interests and activities. It would solve so many of their sibling issues.

Second to the children I feel worst for Barb. She must cry herself to sleep at night sometimes.