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I hate that Probst is comparing Tony to Russell. Tony is nothing like Russell. Tony is paranoid and playing too hard but he i snot bullying people, destroying their property, hiding camp tools, and geneally acting like an ass. Russell played to get to the final with no thought on how to win. Even after he realized that his approach the first two times had failed miserably, he took the same path his third time playing. Only that time his tribe new better then to keep him in the game. Tony is playing too hard and over thinking things but he is not doing it maliciously or hiding his insanity. He was upset with the vote so he told the reamining three he was upset. His logic was stupid, we all should get rid of the people who don't deserve to be here, like Morgan, and was an attempt to hide the real reason they voted for Morgan, she didn't have an idol and no one would use one on her, but at least he said something and wasn't really all that threatening in how he did so. He was crazy to go after LJ this early in the game and probably cost himself jury votes, there is no way Jefra and LJ vote for Tony now. But he is not bullying folks. A bull in the China shop, yup but not a bully. A bit loud but loud in a different way. I just wish we could find a way to convince Probst that Russell was not a freaking Survivor genius who lost twice due to bitter juries but a bully who pissed off people for no good reason and taken to the finals as a goat. Tony might be taken as a goat, his agressive play is costing him votes, just like Kass. That is still different then the decision to take someone who has pissed everyone off with his antics at tribal and around camp and in conversations.

Tony is playing hard and making moves a bit too soon. Get rid of Spenser or Jeremiah then take out LJ. Heck, take out Spenser and Jeremiah and then take out LJ. The Brawn members had the numbers and Beauty didn't look like they were going to make a move until they hit the 6. I am guessing their plan was to go for a tie at 6 and risk the purple rock. I can appreciate that Tony is playing the game. He is coniving and making up BS but it is working. Cliff is gone because Tony told Sarah that Cliff and Lindsey were out for her due to her strength and puzzle skills. Now LJ is gone because Tony was able to convince Woo that LJ was gunning for him. I love that Trish saw through Tony's BS and said that his story didn't feel right to her. I think that Trish made a mistake not talking with Woo. In a way, Tony is almsot mimicing Kim's game. He has two alliances and he is happily using weaknesses that he has identified in the larger alliance to remove the pieces that he wants gone. I think he was right, LJ is a threat. He is liked by all, quiet and not as much of a target as we were thinking. Trish likes him personally, although I got the feeling that she would have been fine voting him out at 5 or 6. The problem is that he is being a bit too obvious, Trish saw through him pretty fast, and moving a bit too soon. I think that he just cost himself Trish, LJ, and Jefra's vote. Kass will probably hate him because his move caused chaos and she is no longer the chaos queen and she hates it when she is not the center of attention. As for the Construction worker lie, he told his new alliance he was a cop because he felt he could trust them but he intended to carry on telling everyone else that he was a construction worker. He feels that they would take a cop more seriously then they would a construction worker and he is probably right. I did love the what the fuck look on Sarah's face when he said that. Spenser is playing a pretty good game. He is not pressing hard even in the minority. He let Tony approach him at the reward challenge and went with the flow. He saw that what Tony was doing was set in stone and didn't bother playing his immunity idol saving it for later. The best part is that I don't think anyone knows Spenser has the immunity idol. LJ and others were ready to accept the possibility that Woo had it. LJ did not say "No way, Spenser has it." This puts Spenser in a pretty good spot. I would have prefered that Spenser not celebrate with the fist bump but I understand why he did. He was surprised and excited that he survived but hopefully he cuts back on that next time. I sure hope Woo is ok, I am sure he is otherwise it would have made the news. But still, it looks a bit scary. I did laugh at Tony's being upset that they voted against him two tribals in a row. Spenser's take it as a compliment was cool and Tony took it like one would expect him too. But the idea that the three should have voted for Morgan because she was lazy and not someone on the other alliance hoping for a flip was just brilliant. I also loved the you could have approached us and we would have voted with you BS. I love this show so much better when newbies are playing.

TWOP had a version of this thread but instead of a more formal once a week table maybe something a bit less formal. If you are looking for some support while getting healthy let us know. I am sure we need some formal disclaimer but I am not a lawyer and I did not stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night. How about this, be nice to each other and there are no prizes for the person who loses the most.

I enjoyed that show but still would like some changes to it. I think the first month of no work and intense work outs is too much and I don't think they do enough when the dude is not living with the person. Here is my ideal show. They create groups of 4-5 people who work with one trainer, nutritionist and counselor. Those people have different amount of weight to lose 200, 100, 50, 25, 10 and all live in the same area. They go to work and live their regular lives but work out together, support each other, have different weekly goals to achieve individualls and as a team. The focus would be how to lose weight in a healthy way that occurs over a period of time. The different teams are competing for weekly prizes, a years groceries, six months of groceries, and nothing for one week. The teams are judged based on what percentage of indivudal and team goals are met. Make some of those goals food based, everyone eats two servings of fruit and three servings of veg a day. Make some of them exercise based, everyone works out an hour a day 6 days a week. Some of the individual ones could be things like lose two pounds a week (for the heavier folk) or improve your time on this obstacle course. The idea is that there are a variety of people with different goals learning how to achieve those goals together while living their regular lives.

Ramble: I think that is an option available to all of the contestants but they have to choose to use it or not. In the long run, the people who end up on this show are there because they have developed awful habits over a good period of time. It takes a long time to break those habits and you really have to want to do the work and maintain the new habits. I have a feeling that many of the contestants fail fall back into their old habits, start feeling like crap that they are losing ground, fall back into old coping skills, and put the weight back on. Very much like a drug addict or alcoholic. While no where near the severity of the problem that these folks have, I took off 25 pounds last year. I did it though better eating and exercise. I have noticed a slight scale creep and dound myself justifying it in various ways. I am weighing myself at night and I used to weigh myself in the morning, I have my period, I am weighing in with close on and not in my undies. All true but I was dressed when I weighed in at the Doctors office and was 160 so there really is no reason to be 164 right now. After a few months of hemming and hawing, last night I changed My Fitness Pal from maitenence to losing 1/2 a pound a week. The idea, for me, is that instead of riding the line for maintence, cutting 250 calories gives me some room to slowly lose what I have put back on and make it harder to repeat putting that weight back on. As for Rachel, I think her competitive overdrive kicked in and she went balls to the wall to win. The fact that she has put weight back on and is maintaining a healthier exercise regime is a good sign. I hope for her sake that she is able to make this a new lifestyle and maintain it because she looks healthy and I am sure she is feeling better.

I would have been screwed with the Roman Numerals. I understand the concept but I suck with converting them. I will blame by dyslexia but that probably really isn't the issue. John is a piece of work. I loved the "This is going to be east becayse I did X, Y, and Z as a child and in college" to the "Sword only on the first, shield on the second" to getting booted twice because he used his shield when he was suppose to use sword only. Gotta love it. If he hadn't screwed up those two times and gone back to school they probably would have been in the running because they would have gotten to the steps earlier even with getting lost. I don't like the sharing of the answer but I do like the Afghanimals figuring out that they are going to need some help to prevent from being U Turned and trying to stop being a target by helping. Good awareness that a U Turn had to be coming and actually being proactive about it. The chariot racing was fun to watch. I have no idea how anyone actually managed to finish it.

She looks so much better

I am not surprised that they couldn't cook eggs. They have to choose specific Chefs to go on stations and I swear that is done to ensure screw ups. Overall an ok episode but I can't wait until they get to the good Chefs and I can start to care.

I didn't have a problem with Trish's move. She had a good reason to vote Cliff out. I thought that she would have been better off if she hadn't said anything to Lindsey when they returned to camp but that is about it. Trish's problem seemed to be with Cliff and Lindsey, since they left, she has been more mellow and I have not heard anyone complain about her. When the merge happened and Trish's alliance was outnumbered, she handeled it perfectly. She wasn't in anyones face and was able to flip Kass with a quiet conversation. It looks more and more like the Trish issues we saw were a personality conflict between her and Lindsey, maybe a little bit Cliff but he wasn't openly hostile the way Lindsey was. Kass is making moves based on how she responds to people. She didn't like Sarah and Morgan so she voted them out. She intentionally choose chaos when she voted out Garrett. Those are not good, game based decisions. You suck it up and let Sarah dictate the Tony vote. Once Tony plays the idol you switch to Jefra. Now you are up 6-4. Then you vote out Sarah because she is a tough competitor or you wait until after you take out Woo, Tony, and LJ because they could be a problem in challenges. I think that we would have seen confessionals from Spenser and Tasha that said that they were thinking of voting out Kass first if they had given them. Those confessionals would have shown that Kass made a great game move by giving herself a chance to join an alliance where she might have been able to move up. We never saw those confessionals. I am not ready to believe Sarah's interviews where she says that she was in a final three with Spenser because Spenser is savy enough to make a promise like that and make it seem sincere to protect himself in the game. Voting out Morgan made no sense. She was not a threat in competitions and she would have been a great goat to bring to the finals. If Kass is really playing to advance herself in the game, she takes out threats with her chaos. Right now, she is the sixth person in an alliance and is hoping that it fractures and she can move up. That is not controlling your destiny, that is winging it and praying.

Unless I hear Spenser make more silly comments like that, I am letting it pass. He is a 21 year old whose game was just blown up by someone who changes her vote in a way that does not appear to be logical to anyone. I hear people referencing men who think with their "head" frequently enough in Reality TV shows and in real life to know that both genders are stereotyped by the presence of estrogen and testosteron to not take offense when someone says something once. Heck, my office has a man who stopped eating edamame as a snack when someone suggested that the high levels of estrogen might cause him to act like less of a man. I know one dude who insisted that his vegetarian wife check with the doctor to make sure that the suy products she was eating when pregnant wouldn't make his son into a girly-man. OK, so both are pretty stupid, actually laughable until you realize that it really happened and then you want to cry, but they go to show that there is still a sense of estrogen drives women, testosteron drives men. One statement by an upset, confused, 21 year old is not a big deal. Laughable, eye roll inducing, but not a big deal. He has treated the women with respect, no one has complained about his behavior towards the ladies on the show or in interviews and he appears to have good relationships with all the other women in the game. I do think Kass is playing an emotional game and voting out the people who she thinks are mean to her or challenge her and don't klss her ass. I do think the way she has behaved towards Sarah and Morgan is closer to the traditional stereotypical woman crap that we see in high school and I have not seen her treat any of the men that way.

Spenser actually did and Tony countered with "Yeah but we mean it. Tribal is normally 2 hours or longer so we only get the juicy bits. It would be cool if they put the entire tribal up on the web, I would totally watch that. In my free time I have a toddler at home so what free time? I would totally read someones recap of that!

Jefra is playing a good game the problem is that it is too subtle. She is not making any moves that we can see and is not the person that people approach to make a move. Trish went to LJ because he was from Boston and she was lonely in her tribe. LJ came with Jefra in Trish's mind. Jefra did a fine job of bolstering Trish after she was brought into things but she was secondary to the conversation. I do think she is playing a great social game and rolling with the punches. She is working around camp so she is not hinking off people. But she has also been targetted as someone who is not strong enough to be saved using an idol. So she is in a weird spot. Based on her answers in tribal council, I would say that she is not going to do well in front of the jury. Kass will be well spoken and make a solid argument but the reality is she is voting off people she doesn't like and who won't do what she wants. Everyone sees that. I tought I heard Trish say they would vote off who Kass wants this week and Kass tried to reject that idea. Trish said that because everyone knows that Kass lives for control and if she doesn't have it she aims for chaos. So let Kass pick out who to vote for to make sure that Kass stays with them. They are using the vote to placate Kass and keep her from flipping. Great strategy on their part but I am not sure that Kass sees what is happening. She thinks her free agent strategy is working brilliantly because people are approaching her and she is not being voted out. She doesn't see that her approach is being used by both groups to advance their cause and that it is not really helping her. It might help her get to the end but it is not going to help her win. She has lost 5 votes from the folks she flipped on last week. If it is a final three, that means she has already lost the jury. I don't think anyone in her current non alliance is going to vote for her. They are using her and that is it.

I think Sarah will get over it when she has someone else to hang with at Ponderosa, although Morgan might not be the best person for her. Sarah had three days by herself to think about being blind sided and it hurt. I get that and will cut her some slack.

Spenser's estrogen comment was stupid but I can give him room for some stupdity. He was blind sided at Tribal and has been dealing with Kass's intentionally created chaos since day one. He also apologized and in a manner that made it feel sincere. It wasn't a "I'm sorry" it was "I'm sorry with a lame explination that really doesn't justify what I said." Which is about 1,000 times better then most people playing this game do when they say something incredibly stupid or acting like an idiot. I don't know that Woo's actions were really allowable but I guess they were since no one said he had to give the clue back. Essentially, Woo picked up Spenser's pants, shoke them, and picked up the clue. So could Woo pick up Spenser's bag at camp, shake it, have the idol fall out and take the idol? I am sorry but that entire scene just felt wrong to me. I don't blame Woo for what he did, he was playing the game, but I don't think it should have been allowed. This wasn't Lisa I am doing the laundry for everyone because that is who I am and I found this thing here, this was Woo I know that SPenser has a clue I am going to follow him and shake his pants to see if anything falls out. Spenser should have put the clue in his show with some stuff over it for better safe keeping but he should not have to worry about someone rifling through his clothes. I don't think Kass is playing for the end game, I think Kass is playing to get back on the show. I think she knows that he game got blown up early on and she has decided that chaos and blindsides will get her back on the game in a new season and a better chance at winning.

I can't complain about Morgan being gone, she was freaking annoying. Young, entitled, pretty is awfully ugly. Spenser is playing well. He recovered from his night time melt down and clue losing screw up pretty well. I love that he found the idol with Kass right there. That was great. I hope that Tony implodes next week because I really like Spenser would love to see him win. Tasha was much stronger in that challenge then I thought she would be. Jeremiah is blending into the background right now. Jefra sounded kind of stupid. LJ is doing a fine job of being quiet.

Sarah said she knew she screwed up but she didn't say how. I would love to know how she thought she screwed up at that moment. Sarah is the player who is going to play the honest game no matter what so her initial comments about Kass with a large grain of salt. Hopefully she will chill and set a good tone at Ponderosa

You would think that Tasha would know that Kass is an insecure person and pulled her aside to let her know she was fine. Kass just couldn't stand being anything but the leader and now she is lost. She went from a solid final three to sixth. Bad move. Trish was fine this episode. I guess when she is not being picked on and alienated she is fine. Love that they changed the vote to Jefra. That was. Brilliant.

Sorry about the dup topic for some reason I missed this one. I don't know why but I found this episode pretty boring. The tuk-tuk filling was just chaotic, dangerous, and not all that interesting to watch. The elephants were cool but there are ethical dilema's with the way that they are treated. The paper task was cool to watch for about 30 seconds and then just boring. And it was a non-elimination leg. And the Afghanimals won. They are better this season but still annoy me. So just an over all blah episode for me.

The racers are drained by an exhausting roadblock; a footrace to a pit stop. I missed a bit of the episode due to DVR weirdness but overall I was bored. It didn't help that it was a non-elimination round and I really wanted the Country Singers gone.

She lost far too much weight. The good news is that she has put on some weight and looks healthy now. I think she wanted the win and lost more then she should. I hope they put in a new rules to prevent this from happening again. I would like to see the rules be that the first to a healthy weight wins as long as they maintain that weight. If no one gets to that weight then the person with the largest percentage of weight lost wins.

Can't wait for a new season.

I love this show. It is my TV crack. Why couldn't Grrrrr boot all three of the final nominees? They all suck so much worse then the first dude booted and it would help me to remember the remaining folks names.

Lamest reason to quit ever. Seriously, you don't like someone so you quit? Really? Trish is annoying. Her antics after tribal were ridiculous but not so ridiculous as to cause someone to quit. Talk about a temper tantrum. Lame lame lame Tony could be brilliant but he has no guile what so ever. The immunity idol thing was brilliant, down to getting the clue back, but it showed how hard he is playing. Then he tells them all he lied for no good reason and some other lies he was thinking about using. So now they have less reason to trust him and know that he is playing silly hard. Then he tops it all off by jumping around screaming final five. Not bad instincts but so, so wrong. Brains might have over played their hand by making it clear that they are three. So there is no hope for a final three with them. Then again Morgan and Jeremiah probably missed that and Sarah was so shocked by the Beauty implosion and Tony's betrayal she might have missed it.