Noirprncess

I think Ben is supposed to be conflicted morally with his cut throat moves to get what he wants (the so called anti hero). The show seems to be about getting what you want no matter who or what gets in the way. That's how Spiga operates and in turn how the people treat each other. It's interesting that Laura went to see Chad's wife. I think in future episodes Ben will be surprised to find that his wife is more sympathetic to the plight of Red Zoners than he thinks.

I like the show but it feels like the American prequel to Continuum in which corporations were the government. The major difference is the look and feel of the times. This is still bright and somewhat hopeful in appearance although the time periods are roughly the same (within 5 years or so). The actor playing Ben is ok but isn't all that compelling. Feels like another "super smarty" that can out think everyone around him except when the script has him do something dumb. It's good to hunt for the previous cast members of other SYFY/Canadian shows.

I'm sad there isn't more of a discussion group here. I binge watched On Demand and agree episode 10 made huge leaps from the storyline. I guess it will be interesting to see what happens in season 2.

So far, I haven't liked the S18 episodes. They have made Liv pretty insufferable and several of the cars were either ridiculous or improbable or both.

Naz, when the show started seemed naive. BUT, over the course of the show we learned: 1) He had a bit of temper which he kept well hidden most times except when pushed to his limits. 2) There was a riff between him and his mother. While it wasn't clear why, she obviously made known her feelings of distrust to Naz (remember early on he said only his father believed him). Evidently this incident came after other smaller incidents in school. 3) He was a bit of a rebel with no way to show it except outside of his house. 4) His transition to jail was very quick because he was familiar with drug use and selling drugs (and the types of people involved in drug use). His comfort was proof that he had some familiarity with it and perhaps didn't see the dangers in using or "passing" it on for others to use. 5) He was used to being picked on or bully simply because he was Pakistani (unfortunately too many here in the US don't understand the differences and lump all under the pejorative slur "towelhead"). He disliked this type of reaction to the point of feeling and showing anger. I've always thought he felt more comfortable in jail than he did in his own traditional home with his family because he felt freer to pursue things that interested him. Especially because it was clear that his parents babied him to degree....at 23. Remember in the beginning he sort of let it slip that to his parents that he wanted to go to a party. They vetoed it like you would expect parents to for a teenager - not some 23-year old grown man. I've had friends who lived in traditional families not unlike the Khans. The pressure the kids have to conform to their traditional family morals/standards (especially if they've lived all of their formative years in the US) tend to run smack against the more typical American thinking on family participation, dating, social norms, etc. The families tend to get far more invested in every aspect of the child's life especially when it comes to social interactions such as who they are friends who, who they date, etc. While some cling to the traditional route based on the family culture, just as many fight against it desiring to live the "American" way. I think everything about Naz was about him being right in the middle of that internal/external fight. So, his transition in jail was about his figuring out what he wanted to do and be. Unfortunately the one habit he picked up from Freddy was same habit that becomes the monkey on so many people's back - long term drug addiction. He went from a casual user (before jail) to hardcore in jail.

I don't think it was character assassination with Chandra. She proved to be a bit of doormat early on when she allowed Allison to use her as a way to appeal to potential clients (the Khans) even though they weren't ethnically from the same background. When she pointed this out to Allison, her reaction was "eh, close enough." How many of you would allow someone to use (or put down) your ethnicity like that in the workplace? She's only proved that she was nice but kind of doormat-y all the along. The fact that she entertained a late night phone call during booty-call hour from Naz suggested that she KNEW what he was after even if he didn't actually come out and say it. Had she rebuffed his "probe" early on, I doubt it would have escalated the way it did. Naz was fortunate that Freddy forwarded that video kiss as a way to discredit the lawyer and try to push for a mistrial. Makes me wonder if he wasn't the engineer for both incidents involving Chandra since Naz figured out there was a connection and just pushed to see how far she was willing to go for it. But more importantly, knowing that it was caught on tape in jail that could be used in the future. I do think that Helen's uninspired and unenthusiastic presentation of her closing had a lot to do with that conversation with Box. She knew that she potentially set up at least grounds for consideration of an appeal by ignoring another suspect who had quite a bit of connection and motive to kill Andrea although she thought she had more with Naz. Box, unfortunately, that was a lot of work way too late in the process. I guess his conscience got him but why take the path of least resistance knowing it was a shaky case?

This ski one is again filled with crazy expectations out of 240 square foot. A hot tub???? Really people?

So when does the Adam and Gabrielle tiny house go up for sale???. I hope they stop picking folks with unrealistic requests for the new season, if there is one. This is getting tiring.

I think the ENTIRE point of Allison treating Chandra like a glorified gofer was because didn't she believe in her ability to perform as a lawyer. So once Naz chose to disregard her "instructions", she couldn't easily drop him as a client without looking like the asshole the audience knows she is, she did the next best thing, pawn him off on a inexperienced lawyer AND cut her budget/resources. This effectively set up an overwhelmed lawyer trying to do everything on her own and perhaps missing major sections in her evidence gathering. John Stone is working as the investigator here without the typical resources associated with a large boutique firm. I can identify with them looking at many possibilities without considering the financial angle. Mainly because it could be more conspiracy theory than plausible IF you just consider is a "rich" girl with a serous drug problem. It's not much of a leap to consider them putting more energy into her potential drug (read criminal) friends as plausible suspects than other wealthy people killing for money. The police (and DA) sadly are doing what we've come to see play over and over again in real life. They aren't looking for the truth, just someone that can fit the "circumstances" they build. That's exactly why exhonorating evidence has been found in a number of cases within the police evidence itself in RL cases. With the DA, they may select evidence that fits their "story" and leave the so called outliers alone. I do think Naz's dad likely selected a job away from his area in the hopes of avoiding people he knew.

Thank you! I really liked the show during season 1 enough that I had my mom watching it too. But, the proof is in the weight gain not the words coming out of her mouth. I like my pizza like the next person. I don't even hate the fact that she HAS three different apps. I like and order pizzas from different local places because not all of them make them taste the same. The big but being, I don't need to hide my order or pretend because I can control my eating. People who feel the need to hide imply that there is something to hide. In Quitney's case, it seems to be the combo of amount and frequency. Just one small example of her level of delusion.

It was exactly the same as the beginning of the episode. The blinding UV light that Stone used for his feet. Could be metaphor for Stone running into the unknown. He's hopeful his eczema gets healed with the UV light but it's unknown. The same bright light leads hopefully into solving the crime for Naz (or could lead to disaster).

I don't think it was about making Naz a mule. It was about seeing how serious and far Naz was willing to go to maintain his protection deal with Freddy. Debt isn't always repaid in cash as this show has shown in a few different ways. Stone's prostitute client is one example. Prison debt is the same way. I took the beating up of Charlene's uncle and mule deal as Freddy trying different areas to see where Naz fits into his "organization".

Without Walton Goggins, I would have given up on this show earlier. Danny McBride as a lead or writer isn't compelling enough for me. I'm chuckling at Kill Face (character from Devious Maids) being a featured character next week.

Naz's transformation is almost complete. He's found his crowd in jail. I thought it was interesting that he was willing to test out his level of influence/protection by standing up in the tv room. Just as funny is that they used rappers/actors as the prison population. This week it was Trench from Naughty by Nature as the guy about to beat Naz up for standing in front of the tv. This goes to show that Naz might not have been as naive as we have been led to think in the pilot. He's also a little reckless. We knew Charlene's uncle wasn't all there mentally. He just couldn't help himself when Naz kicked him then tried to walk away. He had to goad him a little. But it makes me wonder if Freddy was truly behind the set up and interaction after all. While Freddy might not have scripted the incident, he may have purposefully selected an unhinged person knowing the potential end results. There always seems to be that one person willing to make themselves a sacrificial lamb. It seems that Naz was trying to break from the family tradition too OR quietly has been in some sort of trouble before. I think they were hinting at that with his switching from a local college in Queens to one in another borough. He's 23, so shouldn't he have graduated by now?. Or is he floundering educationally unlike his brother? I love that Stone figured out he was swallowing (muling). John seems to have a bit of a death wish through which seems to come from battle with eczema. I cracked up at his chasing work away from his fave pro because he got a baggy full of viagra from his drug hook up faster than the legit pharmacy. He has an interesting exposure to street smarts including his own street pharmacy usage. I bet John was at some point a big time attorney who lost everything. All that's left from his past is the big apartment.

Oh that ball room "competition" was sooooo fake. Especially when they had Vitney and Todd place so high. I swear Vitney thinks this is her audition tape for the other dance competition show. But then to have Roy fake interest in her too....poor dude.

That's changing though. Side boob and naked buns are showing up on "edgy" basic cable and 10pm primetime network shows.

Jukebox picked Kanan up in NYC then took him to DC (she said so in the episode). Although I'm not sure if she actually did it or just called in a favor and had someone locally drive him down. For someone that was gravely injured and sleeping most of the day away, Kanan was shaped up and still had his abs cut up.... Lol

I thought about WHY they showed Allison's other case before she pursued Naz. She needed to keep her name in the press for BOTH cases but mainly for her first case. A quick way to do that is to latch onto a media driven case like Naz's. Her plan was always to railroad Naz into taking a plea deal, which was quick work for her and piggyback media attention to her other case at the same time. Every time they mention her being Naz's lawyer, they would likely mention or discuss her other big cases.

Stone obtained the file by investigating the victim simply because the police have only focused on Naz without considering how or why his bizarre story has a few plausible questions over whether he committed the crimes or not. But the file is her intake file and other information on her multiple visits to that particular rehab. I don't think they can legally use a pilfered record in court BUT they use it to develop another potential suspect from the victim circle of friends or previous habits. It also offers insight into the victim's personality. I'm sure Chandra's billable hourly price is significantly smaller than Allison Crowe. But, the family will likely find her pay scale via monthly payments will eventually cost significantly more than John Stone's flat fee.

Out of the three episodes, this was my least favorite. Gamby is clearly a clueless sad sack that sees himself as a very special snowflake despite the constant reminders that he isn't well liked or respected by anyone in his life. The school trip wasn't necessarily interesting as it was clear that everyone tolerated him.

I agree that both Gamby and Russell would have acted this way regardless of who was hired as the principal. Heck, even if one of them was hired the other would have STILL acted like a fool. But, I think them burning down the house showed who was really crazy (Russell) vs just overly entitled (Gamby). I mean, they drove the school's student driver car to her house. Might as well have painted a huge arrow above their heads saying it was us. I'm pretty sure we haven't seen the end of that brooch. Clear evidence connecting Gamby to Dr Brown's house robbery and fire. The fact that Russell is completely effeminate seems to suggest a larger issue at play. Walter Goggins is the ONLY reason I tried to watch this show.

Lol that's not real. Otherwise, just think how many of us have taken baths containing hot water and baby oil unscathed. Ironically, I read that melting down chocolate bars is one tactic prisoners take to throw on others which does stick to the skin like napalm. You will never look at chocolate bars the same again now, right?

Crowe said sarcastically to the judge, "Well, he (Naz) was represented by John Stone".. implying that John was incompetent as a lawyer. The judge told her to not do that in his court and the DA said to John in response, "That was uncalled for (what Allison Crowe said)" I think Allison took the case as a way to build her profile in front of the news cameras thinking that she was just going to "work" out a plea deal. Remember she hasn't spoken to Naz until just before going to court. But, death penalty and murder one cases are notoriously expensive to prosecute. As a pro bono, she would have to foot the costs of ALL research, time spent in preparation, monies spent for investigators, etc. She wasn't about to spent money on a case that she was surely going to lose. Notice how quickly she not only dumped the case in Chandra's lap but said you will need to pay too. The files came from a rehab place that was just in walking distance of the stores behind the victim's face in the selfie.

She obviously doesn't think fans can do math because 4 lbs a month will get you to 50lbs a year. Obviously, at that clip, nothing will fit her by the end of the year. She knows this, we know this. Dancing at 50% for 50 minutes a week will not stave off the excess weight. She ain't ready but all I'm asking is that she drops the fake premise that she's doing all she can. Because gaining roughly 50lbs a year says more about your effort than the words coming out of your mouth.

Well Naz is clearly not the sheltered naive boy that entered the prison system. I think Charlene's uncle served essentially the same purpose as Sticky Fingerz (the actor playing his first bunk mate), the "this is how you do it guy". Guys will try to befriend you and feel you out to see what they can get out of you, especially someone that seems super green like Naz. But I think Uncle got offended when he realized that Naz wasn't trying to justify his actions or use the "I got railroaded" excuse. Naz sincerely believes in his innocence and Uncle, who'd already said he had flash anger, got mad and did exactly what he warned Naz about. I still screamed though. Was I the only one cracking up at the Stone sex scene?. Especially when SHE went to the bathroom and found the tube of Itch-X. The look of disgust on her face had me rolling. I still think Freddy sees himself in Naz and befriends him on that basis. Unfortunately, I think Naz gets that he will incur a debt to be determined later. I haven't read "The Other Side of Midnight" in years so I had to look up the synopsis. So the popular choices are "Art of War" - mentally preparing yourself against all enemies or foe vs "The Other Side of Midnight" - a love novel? Hmmm Allison turned into an even bigger snake than I gave her credit for. Like taking credit for "negotiating" a lighter sentence. Papa realized the gravity of his error in selecting her when she bluntly spoke to him about not interrupting her. It's clear everyone is a prop in her world. I just don't understand why Chandra agreed to act like an intern around her when she is at least a junior associate.