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How refreshing to get through a housewives dinner without any fighting. Loved Sutton this episode! She has an interesting life with real relationships that she is willing to share. Loved her interaction with Trevor. There is genuine love between them. Sutton was so raw and real with her scene with Kyle, reflection on her relationship with her father, her ex, and Merce. The other HWs just don't give what Sutton does wrt their real lives. Plus she's rich and lives a fab lifestyle.

I think Jenna is the queen bee and the other women all are simultaneously jealous while seeking her approval. She gets special privileges wrt to filming and probably gets paid more. They all want to be the one closest to her, yet resent her special status. It will cause infighting among the lesser HWs as they all jockey to get closer to Jenna. I agree with whoever wrote that Jenna likely has a project coming out that she wants to promote. This woman was at Solange Knowles wedding. She dressed Michelle Obama. She was the head of J. Crew, she has an eye lash line. She has all sorts of connections. She must be using HWs to promote something. I think Jenna has a very carefully curated life - every detail is attended to. Her gorgeous apartment - look at the video of her apartment - the details that have gone into everything including the pull-out shelving. Her wardrobe seems so effortless, and yet at the same time seems so affected. And on the show we are getting a carefully curated HW character - awkward, meek, indecisive, shy. Jenna Lyons has a cutthroat reputation in the business. She is not the meek, awkward person we are seeing on Rhony. I think the way she told Jessel to drop the bag is closer to the Jenna in real life. She is likely much more decisive and outspoken. She grew up with a terrible disease and tells us on the show that she can only show her cleavage, yet this week on instagram is beautifully showing nearly her entire bikini-clad body stunningly photographed while on yacht vacation with a group of friends. "I didn't know there were gay women when I was growing up" but "How do these women not know who (the out) Billie Jean King was?" I am older than Jenna and knew back in the 70s that my 60+ year old middle school gym teach was a lesbian in upstate NY. Even people who weren't city slickers knew that women could be gay. "Tell me it's Dreamy Coffee!" Ugh! Can't be mad at Sai for being an influencer when Jenna is acting all Gwyneth Goopy on us. That said, she is probably going to be the best HW at controlling her story. Brynn is half black - she probably has been blowing out and straightening her hair which probably has more texture. I think Brynn will bring a lot more traditional HW nonsense to the show. And I am glad that she highlighted that Erin was more obsequious to Jenna than she was to Brynn. Erin is a cross between Bethenny (who she thinks she is) and Jill (who she really is). Sai I like, I know the luggage was nonsense, but Influencer is a job, whether people think it should be or not, and she likely was changing each morning several times and taking photos. Jessel is going to be the Ramona - no filter or self-awareness. Really the green lingerie looked terrible. I mean come on - are we to believe that Jenna could give those hot sexy outfit to Sai and cute little outfit to Erin then that to Jessel and not have expected Jessel to feel a certain way? Ubah is gorgeous and light hearted. I hope she settles down with the antics because she doesn't need to be so "crazy fun". She seems like good energy.

WRT to Diana's miscarriage text - Kyle, and likely the other women, seemed to take it as a diss to Garcelle. When Kyle and Mo were talking to Diana and her dress up boy toy, Kyle was mocking the text - not asking Diana about her well-being - and saying WOW that TEXT! As if it really was shocking socially, not medically. Diana fights with Sutton yet attacks Garcelle on SM.

I believe she was responding to Garcelle who asked what Rorshach was, that she hadn't heard it. It's offensive to direct it to an adult to tell them a word is a "big" word when they don't know what a word means. I think she was shading them all because she felt they overreacted to violated last year and told her it was a big word and now she is telling them that Rorshach is a big word. I think Crystal has a real snarky side. I would hope she wasn't making a racial comment against Garcelle.

Well Crystal can certainly be bothered anyway she wants by Sutton's words. I do think the initial talk with Kyle was edited. There may be something more there. Crystal may describe it as "dark" if she wants. Since it was a conversation about race, when she attaches "dark" to it, others will assume racist. Sutton was sitting at dinner that night and was willing to have Crystal out the conversation, Crystal had every opportunity to clear it up for everyone. If it was something other than what we have heard, I wish Crystal had told us then and there. It's ok if Crystal thought it was dark, it's ok if Garcelle didn't. It's not up to me as a white woman to tell Crystal how to feel about racism. But since Sutton was willing for Crystal to out her, I do wish Crystal had done it to clear the entire thing up. Sutton had just spoken the week before in the limo about how she had learned to listen to Crystal last summer. We could have learned how that discussion took place and how listening to a POC's views on racism can educate us all. WRT to Sutton - her claims about Crystal were more direct and pointed. Crystal could refute them or inquire further about them. Sutton just had a vague "dark". This is in regard to Rorshach being a "Big word." The only other thing, and this might be giving Crystal a HUGE benefit of the doubt, because I just would hope she wouldn't be so offensive to Garcelle, is that the other women said "Violated is a very big word," to her last year. I don't know.

Crystal is smart, and she knows words have different connotations. She seems to choose the most extreme word for both of the conflicts she has found herself in. Crystal had the right to be upset and to choose the word violated. "Violation" when coupled with nudity to many implies a sexual violation. Invasion of privacy seems a more common description of what happened. Yes violation is a technical definition, but our language has nuance, and is impacted by societal norms. Crystal should know this. She was unwilling to understand or compromise about her choice of words - this is an important skill to learn in life when dealing with people of different age groups and different experiences. I found it interesting that this season on the way back from Kyle's in the limo with Crystal and Diana that Sutton acknowledged that she had to learn to listen to Crystal about how Crystal was feeling. Same with "Are you the girl who doesn't see color" and the choice of "Dark." Connecting the two implies a racist comment. Instead of just answering, "No I didn't set up Sutton, it was a spontaneous comment when she inserted herself into the conversation between me and Kyle," she alludes to some "dark" comment that clearly hasn't forestalled a friendship with Sutton. Meanwhile, Crystal was right and Sutton was wrong in that original discussion. The editing in that scene is wonky, so I wouldn't be surprised if more was said. No I think that would be normal. who would want to be friends with a racist - what I am assuming Crystal is implying. I am hoping Sutton didn't say anything more problematic than "I don't see color" and diffused the situation at her party because she wanted it to go off without a hitch and didn't want a typical HW brawl. I hope it's not because she said worse things. Sutton did and IG post last year apologizing for her statement and acknowledging her ignorance.

I just watched the WWHL clip on Youtube. Sutton first says that she invited Lisa and Harry to attend as her guests. And then she goes on to say that she paid for their tickets. After further discussion someone says, "You bought a table" and she says yes. But she also says that Lisa and Harry may not have been told that she paid for their tickets. Lisa is all over the place. She tweets that Sutton bought the table. She knows she herself didn't pay. Bottom line, Sutton came to Harry's dinner and apologized for even bringing it up, and then when Lisa won't accept her apology and accuses her of welching on the charity and Sutton vindicates herself, Rinna then goes on and makes it about Sutton dissing Dorit when it all could've been avoided if Lisa had just accepted an apology.

Reminds me of the Christening Scene - the 1st time we met Melissa and Joe. Where were Teresa and Juicy sitting bc it wasn't at Melissa and Joe's table. Melissa blindsided Teresa - Teresa didn't know they were coming on the show until the night before. Teresa called up Kim D and wanted to quit the show. They talked about this on RHUGT. Dina does not get along with Dolores. Dina hosted the engagement party. Dolores is fine not being invited because she sides with Caroline. Caroline wrote Tommy a good reference letter for his sentencing for when he hired the hit man to beat up Dina and her then boyfriend, now husband. I think Dina is going to be Teresa's maid of honor. Melissa doesn't have Teresa's back any more than Teresa has Melissa's. Teresa texted Melissa about not talking about Luis, and Melissa walks right out and tells the other women about Teresa's texts. In past seasons the only time I really remember Tre having Melissa's is when Jacqueline said she had a nose job. Joe calls people all sorts of names, yet you say one thing back to him like "Bitch Girl" and he storms off. He and Teresa were raised in some weird toxic environment. As for Andy telling Teresa that he would've brought up Luis's dirt, I want him to start bringing up Marge's dirt and Joe Gorga's dirt. The HW all complain about this being the Tre Show, yet we have all this gossip going around about Marge having people sue her, Joe Gorga being on Good Morning America for advertising other people's houses as his own work and rumors of him having credit issues at Home Depot, Tracie and Tiki and their origin story. Dolores and Frank as the origin of Evan cheating story and Dolores as the origin of Bill cheating from working in Bill's office at the time. Somehow, Andy only has time to go after Luis's stuff. These people are all the lowest of the low.

As others have mentioned why wasn't Dorit's dog barking at the sound of the glass breaking? That would've been her first clue that something was amiss. Also she is all nervous when Kyle's dogs start barking, yet she sits outside alone when PK goes to find his phone, and dogs start barking and a siren is going off in the distance. Yet Dorit sits alone and doesn't run back inside. There is a lot of acting going on by Dorit. Erika is sitting around with her big panther ring on. If that was stolen when Tom confronted the burglar in her home, shouldn't the bankruptcy trustee be interested in that? Sutton clearly wasn't playing along with whatever Kyle was serving at their meet up. Surely it was days or maybe even weeks later. Sutton doesn't do well with pretending, and this is why Kyle and the others can play with her.

How about the deleted scene of Erika screaming at the directors and the camera people about Garcelle asking about Tom calling her every day. That huffing and puffing in the bathroom at La Quinta was apparently after a big blow up. Let's see that deleted scene.

I appreciate Mary as a HW. She is off the wall with her demands, but she also isn't playing with these women. They disrespect her a lot. Jennie went at her for no reason and stuck her nose in Mary's google fight with Lisa. She put on a Blaccent and got in Mary's face. Not cool. Mary doesn't raise her voice, and she stands her ground. I think Whitney likely fails to respond to Mary a lot, and Mary had it. OTT response for sure but that makes her fun to watch. Come on people, Whitney Likes To Act Like A Little Girl. That baby voice and sexpot affect. Ugh. For the cult stuff - it's going to be good to watch. Someone on another board said Lisa looked like Carmen San Diego at the lunch. Lisa's a good villain. Pathetically transparent but fun to watch. Look at Heather out there sharing all that info with the Po Po. Then wanting to give Jen a heads' up the Feds were coming. 2+2 Heather! Jen knew that's why she fled! Jennie and Whitney thinking they feds were strippers. Dumb and dumber. Jennie - let's go on the trip right away and not even worry about Jen! (I need airtime that doesn't include my children!) Lisa has good instincts for staying out of trouble, it's when she makes plans that she's a disaster.

Maybe Erika is hitting menopause - it could explain the loss of collagen, the jowls and the weight gain. I also notice that she seems a little thicker in the middle in that dress. Terrible timing with all that is going on in her life. She can show more empathy - her world fell apart, but knowing that it was built on ill-gotten gains should, in a PR perspective, make her show a lot more remorse and humility than she has shown this season. Crystal not only dissed Sutton behind Sutton's back with the "I don't know her" but also at Dorit's early-season party, Crystal had a talking head about "Knowing/hearing about everyone who's anyone in BH, and she never heard of Dorit" yet Dorit doesn't worry about that dig. Crystal certainly has a thing about "never hearing about" people. There is such a double standard applied to Garcelle it's sad. Rinna said the race thing hands down. Kyle knows she said it. Garcelle said she saw the texts. Someone on the show showed them to her. Or goodness knows, Garcelle has friends in the business who may be mutual friends with Rinna and they showed Garcelle who then told Kyle. But Kyle definitely knew this was coming. Rinna needs to go. She brings the season down every season to meanness. Yolanda, LVP, Denise, Eden and even Kim. Rinna is incessant Dorit.

Just wondering who gets paid first in bankruptcy - Tom's clients who were victims or the lenders who fronted Tom money. Yikes what a mess. Why haven't criminal fraud charges been filed yet? And where's the IRS? The Guidices went down on taxes too I think?

I agree - Kathy is playing the dimwit. She came on the show I read bc she was bored. She is shrewd - takes after her mother Big Kathy. She's the real sniper from the side with Thomasina, sitting Sutton next to Erika, bringing up "Why is not seeing color a problem" in reference to Sutton- she wasn't bringing it up out of the blue. "I never heard of Sutton." She's friends with Crystal and is backing up Crystal. Also her nonsense about not wanting to be associated with unsavory people (like criminal Erika). She cut off Kyle for years for bringing up Kim's alcoholism. Then she cut her off bc she didn't want Kyle to out the crappy things their mother did. Her whole house is full of skeletons and it's a lot deeper than Paris' sex tape. Meanwhile, Sutton may surprise us all. https://www.instagram.com/p/CHLN7oCgHHA/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link Agree on a lot of points - although I wonder if some plaintiff's firms borrow to fund litigation costs. Dennis type firms charge exorbitant interest rates. Many people who are victims like Tom represented borrow against their anticipated recovery/settlement and pay these interest rates when they finally get their monies only to have interest eat into a good chunk of it. I hope none of Tom's victims borrowed against their settlements. I do have one caveat - there are some highly respected plaintiff's firms and civil rights firms. Their attorneys attended the finest law schools, and they take on important cases including class actions. They aren't what people think of as "ambulance chasers." White shoe firms are corporate firms and any litigation they engage in is mainly defense oriented. Ask any of them the name of a partner at Simpson Thatcher or Cravath and they won't know their names either. They are different worlds.

I haven't posted in forever but a couple of things: Rinna with the fish comments at Garcelle's beautiful dinner - you all ate Caviar Pie last week at Kathy's and not a word about not eating fish. And Kyle made some burnt Salmon. You had trips to the Bahamas, Puerto Rico, Cabo and Hong Kong - all known for fish and we never heard anything about fish. Are you going to tell me she never ate sushi before. I would love for someone to find a snippet of her eating fish. This lying harpy. Kathy Hilton sat Sutton next to Erika at the table and did the Thomasina nonsense - she's a grade A shit stirrer, she also "never heard of Sutton" doesn't think it's a big deal that Erika & Co stole millions from widows and orphans bc everyone has skeletons? She didn't talk to Kyle for 10 years for outing Kim's alcoholism on TV bc she didn't want people to know and was pissed about potentially airing Big Kathy's dirty laundry about their family. I don't see her wanting people talking about Barron being in jail. No one wants their name attached to crime - it's not just a sex tape like Paris. Wait till the tax fraud comes down. In the after show Sutton says that Erika said something unspeakable. Later she said that Erika made threats against her and her family. Her Family. Why would any of them want to film with Erika ever?