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I can't remember the details but it was definitely blackmail. He basically said if she didn't he would tell CC she wasn't pregnant. And then of course, like most soaps, it turned into she liked it. But initially that was what happened. I remember bc it was so gross lol. I think I might have even commented somewhere here on it. Oh also @Bali I'm just getting to it now, but I would've been fully on board with Kelly and Craig.

Man such a terrible shame.

Mason also blackmailed Gina into sleeping with him IIRC. He definitely had capacity to be sleazy at times.

So Manfred is now pondering a mercy rule for MLB right?

Yeah this was before the rape though. I mean I guess mileage varies, I just don't find her or Kelly written the same in the later years. It also just seems tonally different at times, so some of it may be that.

I'm actually enjoying 1990 okay, although I still can't get over how much they changed Kelly. But if you pretend she is just a different person, it's easier to tolerate. Gina, her mother, and brother are ok. Not a replacement for Keith but mildly entertaining. I'm kind of into the story with Laura trying to set her up/burning the house down. I'm enjoying Augusta more this second time round than I did initially. The story with Mason and Julia trying to get rid of Sasha is entertaining, although again you have to almost imagine Julia as a different person bc early Julia was a champion of the system and would've called the cops. Cruz and Eden with the adoption stuff was a weak link for me and I bypassed a lot of it. But the drug storyline coming up is more interesting to me.

Nm. I'm going to get sucked into this WBC in spite of myself. This 5 or 6 hour Canada game may make me a fan of the pitch clock.

I don't comment much on YT either, more bc I think my opinions are unpopular. It seems most people hate Eden.....she is what drew me to the show, although I skip all the mushy stuff with Cruz lol. Or a lot of it. And I simply don't get the absolute Kelly worship a lot of people have. Eden was a much more complex and interesting character imo, and much more active. Kelly was a typical rich, spoiled princess imo. A lot of times I feel like I'm not watching the same show. Mason.is a universal favourite I guess.

This is why banning the shift or trying to is stupid imo. A team's job is partly to try to prevent the other team from scoring. They will keep doing whatever works to do that within the bounds of the rules. They're being penalized for doing it too well. I feel like Manfred is just a few years away from having the defenders face the other direction bc hey it will lead to more action! More athleticism! ETA I'm not sure that defensive alignment will work very well, but over time I bet they will figure something else out sooner or later. I would bet there are teams of analytics people working on it.

Scoring across the league seems a lot higher. I feel like they've gone from one extreme to the other- low scoring games with little action to these double digit scoring games when players are just racing around the bases like jackrabbits. I could live with the clock if they maybe added 5 seconds. I keep thinking about those moments when every pitch really matters- playoffs, or bases loaded in the ninth. I'll miss that tension and the face off of the batter and pitcher. On the broadcast here they have continued to have a red timer counting down on the tv- separate from the scorebug. I've had to find something to block it bc I find it really distracting.

Alex dying whatever. I felt bad for the actress stuck in the same monotonous scene with him for almost the entire season. What a tremendous waste. I thought right to the bitter end Filip was going to kill his father. Don't think he can be redeemed at this point. I was really opposed to Clarissa being around but she really grew on me. Reminds me of Buffy where some of the gang were mass murderers lol. But reformed so it's all good. I enjoyed it better than last season, but I'm bummed only one season left especially bc it seems there is more story to tell.

I was actually thinking of taping a piece of cardboard over it lol. But I think I can cope with that on the score thing. Maybe.

I started season 2 but will probably bail. It's too dumb. Lydia partners with Gail but then decides to steal money from him AND a burner phone and then start taking calls from it? The character isn't supposed to be that dumb. The older parents- the mother continues to be awful. She wants to retire but her husband doesn't andnshe refuses to consider that and basically forces him to do other things he doesn't want to. Like why? Let him work if he wants to. Then what really stopped me- they're brining Crystal's.mom back and she's abusive to her daughter and just miserable and I just don't need to watch that. It's a shame bc the characters are mostly good, but the stupidity of the plots, and some of the abusive behaviour makes it hard to stay with it.

@Shirlaine this website has pretty good episode descriptions as well as a ton of other stuff. If you're not familiar, it's worth checking out. http://santabarbara-online.com/index2.htm It also has some interesting interviews. Jeffrey really grew on me. Kelly is my least favourite character, but I did enjoy some of the storylines with her and Jeffrey. Moreso once Pamela was around.

Hey Shirlaine, it's a nice idea, but I probably couldn't keep that up tbh. Also baseball is starting soon and I watch a LOT of baseball, I'm kind of a nut about it lol. So it really interferes with my other shows.

It bothers me that they're making these guys play with the new rules for a couple weeks in spring training, then back to the old rules for WBC, then back to the new rules. I would rather they just take the spring training to adapt to the new rules. I can't get into the competition aspect, the games are meaningless to me and how many of the teams are actually competitive? I also don't like the Olympics lol. See above re being an old grump heh.

Fans didn't really like Tori so it's safe to say the actress got a deluge of hate mail after that story, but my understanding was the actress got tons of hate mail throughout her run. Like even towards her, you know it's a shame when some fans can't separate the actor from the story. I actually thought as an actress she was okay, but man just awful stories and writing for her. They did not give Tori much personality at all other than getting in the way of others' happiness.

Are people really into the WBC? I feel like an old grump bc I kind of wish they would just stay in spring training, finish it out, and start the season like normal. Like I probably won't watch it.

Just started season 3. I really dislike Des. He just seems like no value add to Mary. She didn't want to do the hospice. She made it clear she wants to treat different kinds of people. He insists, wants it his way. She caves and them he's pissed bc she still does want she wants. I do think Mary could use a partner that grounds her a bit but Des just seems like an asshole that wants to have control.

The thing with Terry Lester is- he is a good actor but he and NLG just have zero chemistry. So I'm at the point watching them in scenes and wondering how it would be if it was LD or GT in it. Watching Feb 1990- really weird for the first time in forever they mention Channing. Eden camping? Like in a tent? Ha! Also super boring. I'm beginning to get mildly interested in Derek and whatever shenanigans he's up to.

I'm on Jan 1984. Holly and Robert are cute and charming to watch but I'm really curious about Anna and Robert. But a ways to go before I get to that I guess. I wish the actor playing Grant was better. He could manage Grant, but 2 characters and one a psycho- I dunno he seems like a mediocre actor to get so much screen time.

Cruz was drugged and he thinks it's with Eden when Tory does her thing. The show.makes that very clear. He is delirous and hallucinating basically. I never watxhed the stuff with Lionel and Caroline and Jane. Life is too short lol. I also didn't watch much of everyone trying to get the tape from Gina. I can only tolerate Gina in small doses and this time in the show barely that. ETA I think Lily did eventually become genuine with Gina but she left with no explanation. It wasn't a well thought out character really.

It's the only rule change I like. I don't really understand the issue. Both teams get an equal opportunity to get runs in. Ironically it may not be needed much. Changing the shift and bigger bases, limits on pick off attempts- should make it easier to score bunches of runs. ETA I predict longer games now bc it will be harder to get outs.

Just finished. Pretty much loved this show from the first moments of the pilot. Just so creative and warm and funny. I was relieved it was renewed bc I wasn't sure how well it did. No one I know watches it. I'm afraid a lot of people wouldn't give it a chance bc the premise sounds so weird. A couple things made me cringe, but I am for sure hyper sensitive- some of the stuff with animals, like the wild cat as pet (I just think it's really destructive for people to treat wild animals as pets and it does happen) and also stuff like the fight they wanted the turtle and scorpion to have. I know the show is far removed from reality but I just have an immediate reaction to stuff like that. Similarly when they throw stuff in the water, I just instinctively cringe. But it's just a show, so I can move past it. Really liked Frenchie, Jim, and Oluwande, as well as Buttons. Don't like the Swede- I know the actor from other roles and it's all I see. Was thrilled to see Kristen Johnson, I really like her. Actually doing a rewatch of 3rd Rock now. Looking forward to season 2, and I hope this show gets more notice.

It gets darker. It definitely shocked me more than once. It also is for sure one of those shows where people make assumptions about what it is that are incorrect. I had read some reviews that intrigued me so I gave it a long leash but I was still surprised repeatedly. I'm going to do a rewatch at some point.