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Am I missing something? She's not actually going to be made a slave, is she? We're not talking about it being 6 months or something before she "meets" Captain Crane or something, are we? I just thought someone makes the wrong assumption and throws her in jail and she meets Captain Crane, soon convincing him she's for real. What am I missing that's so heinous?

Juriste, are there any strong Abbie or Ichabbie moments to look forward to? (If you can't drop hints, yes/no will work.) And thank you for peeking around the corner for us!

So I decided to take an Internet sabbatical today. Did I miss anything?

Fucking hell. FUCK.KING.HELL. I was literally shaking by the end.

I'll have to cosign with Aquarian. I have few expectations, and I think that's why I'm better able to accept what I'm given. I love Abbie, I love Ichabbie (good with romance/friendship/both), I can take or leave Katrina. I still enjoy the show. That said: if Abbie goes, I'm gone. Ichabod is not enough on his own to keep me interested, and Ichatrina definitely isn't.

Good Lord. I had an 800 dollar budget for my attire. That's all I could afford! Needless to say I did not go to Kleinfelds.

I would have been better with the ending if it'd had a different tone. It seemed too...peppy. "Hey Dad, Mom's dead and Robin's alive! Go for it!!" If it had been more poignant, a heart to heart between a daughter and her father where she gently let him know it was okay for him to love again, I think it would have come across much better. Especially as we had just left the death of the mother and the audience wasn't in a light-hearted mood.

I agree. If he had been written A, without taking screen time from Jenny and Irving and B, as a love interest for Jenny OR Abbie with absolutely zero crossover from one to the other, he would have been much easier for the audience to accept.

While I agree with most of the moderate criticisms of the show, my UO is that the show is still very enjoyable (just not as good as it could be).

Johntfs, I didn't want to quote your long and well-written post but I agree with everything you said. I don't hate Katrina and I certainly don't hate Katia Winter (I actually feel sorry for her). I think the role you laid out is absolutely the best way to handle her character. The problem with this show is that in trying to squeeze her in after being apart from the main cast so long, TPTB have (deliberately or inadvertently) given the impression that they intend to make her the leading lady of the show. That would tick of a lot of fans anyway, but then add in the fact that their current leading lady is a WOC? It's not only narratively poor, it looks embarrassingly oblivious towards racial issues at best and downright racist at worst. I don't expect that TPTB are going to fire the actress, and I'm kinda glad of that as it'd be a shame for her to pay the price of the fact that they didn't know how to write her into the Witness gang. And while I am a strong supporter of the notion that a show runner and writers' room should tell their story and not allow the fans to dictate the storyline (I have never, ever seen that actually work out), I do think they should be capable of recognizing when something is hated and finding a solution. I agree the solution you laid out is the most sensible thing to do at this point. By becoming an antagonist, it gives the character that complement that provides the edge needed to make interaction with the Witness gang interesting. The actress would get something far meatier than "damsel in distress", and TPTB wouldn't be hamstrung by having to make her weak all the time so that she doesn't overshadow Ichabbie or solve all their problems for them. You already pointed out how her past life could cause her mind to twist and pervert evil into some "greater good". In fact, in terms of character progression and fixing some major show problems, it makes so much damn sense I really have trouble believing this is not where the storyline is going. But we shall see.

I agree. Networks will sometimes put up with low ratings for a critically acclaimed show, and they'll almost always put up with a critical drubbing for a highly rated show, but they won't put up with both unless they have no choice. So if you really want to stick it to Sleepy Hollow right now (or at try to effect some change), about your only option is to organize an effort for Neilsen families to watch the shit out of everything else on the network in order to make Sleepy Hollow one of Fox's worst shows. At that point Fox will either takes steps to right the ship or they'll sink it.

I'm not nearly as invested as other people in the quality of this season - I learned my lesson about that with Smallville - but Abbie's my main reason for enjoying this. If she goes, I'm gone.

At least there was no mention of Katrina. In fact, when asked a question about Ichabod and Katrina, he turned it around to talk about Ichabod and Abbie. Nice change from the status quo, for me. I enjoyed this interview.

While I don't disagree with your general premise, Neurochick, I think POI might not be the best example of it. Aside from the narrative structure supporting the death of that character as a proper plot point (and I say that as someone who loved Carter), there is also the fact that it's an ensemble show and Shaw does not get the bulk of the storyline or timeslot; moreover, the actress is half Iranian and her character's name is Sameen, so she's a WOC too.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/12/01/sleepy-hollow-irving-dies/ Like a rare unicorn, behold: an interview with Goffman where Katrina is NOT mentioned!

I agree criticizing a show and insisting that it reach higher standards is not the same as bitching about it or hating on it. That said, I do think constant negativity in a forum ends up feeding off itself and convincing a lot of fans to feel more negative than they would on their own. I also think it leads to a lot of unnecessary "line-in-the-sand" declarations, where people demand the writers write the story to exactly the specifications they have in their heads, or they're out. And I think that's a really limited kind of thinking. Once it gets to that point - where a fan is only going to accept one outcome for a plot point or even a whole series of them - then I think at thatvpoint it's just better to get out. If you don't trust the writers to tell the story, if you're convinced they're going to fuck it up just like they have with every other story because they're no good talented hacks who should DIAF, and you're starting to have revenge fantasies about them getting properly punished for ruining your show - dude, there's a LOT of TV out there; find something more to your taste. Life is short, man.

...Damn. If I wasn't shipping them before, I am now. Although that's not necessarily the way I'd want to get awoke to it. *crosses fingers for Jenny*

I like to think that this Holmes, while not asexual, is still aromantic and therefore Watson is the closest he will ever come to a lifelong partnership. I would love to see, sometime towards the end of the series, Holmes give Watson a passionate and emotional declaration of his undying (non-romantic) love and loyalty. Maybe if she's in danger of dying, as in "The Three Garridebs"?

Guy I'd most want to be in an Outlander-type scenario with? Chris Messina. He totally makes me weak in the knees.

If the BBC series ever wants to explore the complexity of male/male relationships in current times by making Sherlock gay and John confused about his sexuality, I'm there with bells on. However, while I acknowledge Sherlock and Joan are charming and have lots of chemistry, I'm begging the writers to keep them platonic. It's so refreshing.

That's a good supposition...they might have had to course-correct really rapidly. It's even possible that Abbie wouldn't have felt so sidelined had they been able to pursue the purgatory story.

I have to admit, while I saw a lot of ducking direct answers in that interview, the way he talked about Katrina made me think they're doing something with her that's a game changer. If I had to bet, I think it would be that she's going Full Evil. That could be why they needed to shoehorn her in so much on the first half, because they needed the audience to spend time with her to get us invested (which happened, but possibly not in the way they expected). That could also be why they're doing flashbacks, to show us how this makes sense for the character.

I really enjoyed the episode. As long as Ichabbie continue to go on missions together with no one butting in, I can be patient with everything else. Didn't mind Katina as I think she's at her most interesting with Henry and Abraham and wish she could stay there. I like Hawley, but I was fine with him sitting this out. This felt to me more like a first-season kind of show. And I loved that they emphasized once more that the Witnesses need each other to succeed, and that Abraham put more doubts about Katrina in Ichabod's head.

Personally, I wonder what would happen if they paired Hawley and Katrina for an episode....e. g. Katrina needs saving, Ichabbie are busy elsewhere, so Hawley has to go do it. Is it possible that the negative chemistry would be so intense it becomes super mega negative chemistry, reaches some kind of event horizon and bends in on itself to become positive? I could see a real haughty princess/sarcastic rogue possibility there, romantic or platonic.

Well it doesn't work with everyone. My husband couldn't give a good crap about Katrina, but he's practically drooling every time Abbie's on screen.