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I see Lisa as calculating too, fun to watch but I wouldn't trust her.

I really enjoy Lisa V - just think that she's got a habit of trying to give everybody a focal point: herself.

I think she died a few years ago. Haven't seen where any of the sisters blame their mother - they seem to still put her on a pedestal (foolishly, in my opinion).

Thank-you ryebread!Eileen is so sane and normal compared to some of the others - I hope she sticks around. Maybe she'll have to pull a few tricks out of her acting bag to stir the shit a little.

For me it's not about "finding fault" - just about people-watching. Lisa is a master at bringing conversations around to herself. Another example is when comforting (or pretending to comfort perhaps) Kyle about Brandi's behavior - Lisa immediately brought it back to herself and her experience with Brandi.

Thanks GreatKazu!You make a great point about this show not doing some of these ladies any favors. Without vulnerable cast members these shows would be dull, but it's also kind of creepy the way Bravo hires narcissists, addicts and other messed up people just for ratings. Exploitative - but good TV.

Thank-you. I'm glad too - what a fun place!

Saw North in a pink ballet outfit recently - much better than those godawful clothes and clodhoppers they usually put on her!

It does seem like a long time, especially when pics of Mason and P were released so soon. Wonder who Reign looks like.

Sounds like Scott is going for specific treatments, which don't take very long. Hope they help!

Sure does seem as if she suffers from some personality disorder - been around narcissists but don't know much about Histrionic Personality Disorder; what is it about Brandi that makes you think that?

Well, their words are probably no worse than the ones we post here about those "Hos" - I just have to laugh when Brandi refers to the Menopausal Mamas when there's not that much difference in ages.

Shannon sure made things interesting - I'm looking forward to seeing what happens between her and Heather, who really showed her butt last season!

You're right, in a normal healthy family, that would be a normal healthy request. But if it's true that Big Kathy was a serious narcissist, it could be the continuation of a sick dynamic that puts the care and importance of the narcissist's "golden child" over what's good for the "scapegoat" or "lost child." Kyle's bedside conversation with Yolanda in Amsterdam was really interesting - she said "I don't want that job" and "I have feelings too." She could have said the same things her whole life in a family ruled by a narcissistic mother and an addicted golden child sister.

I'm with you - distancing herself would be smart on Kyle's part. She's interesting in that, on the one hand, she does seem to follow her mother's rules; and, on the other hand, she says that those rules enabled Kim. My guess is that Kyle is the sensitive one, and also devoted to family, so she was easy for her mother - and now Kim - to manipulate. Kyle seems on the verge of freedom - crossing my fingers for her.

LOL!

Really. And somewhere I heard (Kyle maybe said?) there's only four years between them.

It would be hard for me to give up the sea air and water views too - and also the lemons!

Another one with an eating disorder - the show could do a lot of good if they tackled that problem.

imo they DON'T blame their mother, don't even realize how she set them up for this with her own personality disorder. A good therapist could help them understand the unhealthy dynamics of their birth family and free them from their assigned roles. Kyle could figure it out by reading too, but I doubt Kim will ever embrace self-awareness.

True, a diva and an emotional vampire.

Lisa R seems to be using absurdity as a distraction - from what I wonder.

Yep, she feeds on those reactions - loves it when she makes someone cry or someone angry.

One thing I notice about Lisa V is she very often brings conversations back to herself. Even when finding positive things to say about the other ladies in Amsterdam, she mentioned that she admires how Yolanda loves her husband because it's how she loves Ken. And when speaking about her son looking for his birth family, Lisa said she wouldn't stand in his way because she didn't want him to blame her in years to come. For Lisa, it's always about Lisa.

I wonder if Kyle was the scapegoat in that family. So many narc mothers assign that role to one child and the other children then feel free to dump on the scapegoat too. Kim speaks to Kyle with such disdain, as Lisa R rightly points out.