DearEvette

This was a good ep. I liked the two cases, they both had interesting emotional twists. But Jo was beyond infuriating. I get that that dad was an abusing asshole, but her first instinct is to say no to the kidney? They were frantically looking for another kidney, the patient's body was open on the table and because she in in her own feelings, she wants them to reject one that is gift wrapped? That is irresponsible and she was not making a medical decision she was making an emotional one. I honestly hated her role in that whole drama because she made it all about her. The family of the girl with the mental illness was so sad. That case was very well done. Still hate Minnick. She and Arizona have the same level of chemistry Penny had with Callie. None. Meredith was making some great points in her talk with Bailey. Meanwhile Bailey couldn't answer Meredith's questions. Bailey's reasoning sounds like someone who wasn't even convinced in their own argument.

On Mad Men when told she looks sad Betty replied "I'm not. Its just that my people are Nordic." I use this line when an annoying person or someone who doesn't really know me makes a declarative like "You look really mad" or "why don't you smile more" (which GOD I just hate). I put on a deadpan face and say "No, I'm not mad, it's just that my people re Nordic." Which is hugely funny because I am African American. And Most of the time they get the most confused look on their faces. Once, though I was in a Starbucks and said this to someone and someone must have been listening to to the exchange because there came this loud guffaw from behind me.

Brilliantly stated. The meta-commentary of the whole jury scene was so blatant. LOL. Cute episode. I think Junior was the MVP and I loved Jack's inability to curse. And for once Ruby and Bow made a good team up.

I love that someone on twitter said Paper Boi -- he's a rapper, a lawyer and a club singer! For me, Paper Boi was the break out character in Atlanta. Just the one I walk away from thinking about the most. I was tickled to learn that Brian Tyree Henry is a Yale Drama trained thespian and SKB's best friend and godfather to his child.

I kinda agree. I mean, I do want to know just because it would be nice to know. But I am not mad at the show for not telling us yet. I don't feel like they are stringing me along or anything. I do feel that the show is setting it up as a fairly important emotional touch point, but I am not really waiting for it.

It is interesting because I did not like William at first. Even though the show had barely even started when he was introduced he felt like an intruder to me. But then I loved how his story unfolded. I have seen on here in various posts him called a 'saint' but I don't think that is the case. Up until this episode I would have said he was simply a decent man who tried to do well. Which, let's face, is the majority of people in the world. We just hear about the monsters more. But then he said "I haven't had a happy life." And this made me more sad than his death. I think the show did a good job of showing complex, but frustratingly unfulfilled life. I did come to like William because I think the complexities of the character was fascinating and I did see his flaws -- he seemed rather passive and his lost opportunities weren't the work of things beyond his control but as the result of choices he made (or didn't make) allowing his life to happen rather than acting upon it. Yeah, even though I did end up liking him and will miss him, I also think he served his purpose.

Oh, you're right. I had my flashbacks mixed up. LOL.

Randall's face when he meets Cousin Ricky and his inappropriate joy (and interruptions) during the serious stuff between William and Ricky was a great tension breaker. I loved this as well. First, I love the call back to the earlier scenes of them meeting on the bus. Interesting that that took place in Memphis and not in Pittsburgh. And the nice tidbit of William liking to take buses. But I like that it showed how insidious the fall into the drug use was. Friendly neighbors, casual drinking, a way to step away from the sick room and then the introduction of the drugs. But before that it was sweet. And I think the actress who played Randall's mother is simply stunning looking. The play of emotions on his face while he was stopped for the ducks was superb. It is like his face went through the seven stages of grief in just that minute and you could easily identify them all. Man, SKB can act his face off!

This was very well done. Really good episode. I loved the flashbacks, the fashion, the music, the circle of life stuff with William and his mother and now Randall with William. Other highlights: - Drunk Randall meeting his cousins! - Drunk Randall talking to Beth "You're the chocolate sauce in my Ice cream girl." - Paper Boi sighting! Bryan Tryee Henry is a treasure. His singing was fantastic. - WIlliam calling Jack "brother" after telling Randall he wanted to meet his father.

I think there are two issues at play here, for me at least. One is the K4's treatment of Annalise right now. They really don't have a lot of high moral ground to stand on and yet they, Laurel and Connor at least, are conveniently forgetting their own actions in everything. Laurel was awfully cold blooded when it came to disposing of Sam, showing very little doubt or remorse. They could have all, Connor included, called the cops the minute they realized Sam was dead. It could have been argued as self defense situation at that point, he was attacking Laurel and Michaela. Asher at least seems to have the self awareness some of the others lack. His involvement with Anna is what caused the ADA to focus on his father as a leverage to get to Anna but while he resents her to some extent for that and probably does blame her for his father's death, but he at least seems to understand what was at stake with what he did. Sure, Anna is no saint, but their treatment of her is cruel given that she is the one who is taking the public brunt of the ill effects of their actions, not them. It is her reputation that was being tarnished. Her livelihood threatened and she's the only one that went to jail. If anything, she should be the one turning on them for getting her involved in their shit. The second is the stuff with the DA. The way I see it is they suspect Anna of these things and rightly so because suspicious shit does happen around her. But they can't be mad at her for how she defends her clients since what she does is within the playbook for defense attorneys. Getting Oliver to hack police systems could be considered crossing the line, but since it tends to reveal suppressed evidence and foul play on the part of the DA, they are just as crooked as they think she is. What gets me about them is that, as presented on screen, this has all the earmarks are of vendetta, not justice. If they had clear cut evidence it would be one thing, but the arrest, the hearing and the incarceration of Anna was a joke. The problem is, you don't know if the sheer lack of due process and a fair trial is deliberate to show they are intentionally railroading Anna or the normal "tv law isn't how real law works" deal. At any rate, their actions don't say "we want to remove this menace to society for the safety of our citizens" they say "we want to take this bitch out because she makes us look bad." It would more compelling if it were the former, because it seems like the latter, Anna becomes sympathetic. I think Nate is the only person who has a real beef with Anna she's chucked him under the bus so many times. But then he keeps standing by the curb.

IIRC, At the time, she (and I think quite a few of us on this board) thought he was just a con man. I am not gonna lie, if I thought a con man was planting his flag in my house I too would have asked him, quite bluntly how long he was planning to stay.

This thread is so much more entertaining than the show. You guys are on fire! LOL. Sigh. Everytime I see for Father Gabriel I can't help but think of Carver on The Wire being super pissed, hopping up on that car and saying "You do not get to win, We Do!" I hate it that CBD seems to be almost the most normal people of all in context. We have either come across these super naive groups who are so protected from the effects of the ZA that they are trying to recreate a utopia or feral groups who are so out of it they embracing extreme dystopia. And all of them seem to be under the thrall of some psycho leader. Say what you will about Rick, outside of Deanna, who seemed to be the most functional, Rick he is the most normal of the bunch. I think this is a very apt comparison. I will say I don't hate Richard because he has no loyalty to Carol and arguably Rick should have had much stronger loyalty to Michonne. But I do think there might be a slight difference in that Rick & Co were in full scale war with The Governor and he saw turning over Michonne as a way to stop it -- sacrfice on to save many deal. Michonne was a critical element in the Woodbury v. Prison mess. Whereas Richard seems to be trying to use Carol to jump start open war with Negan -- sacrifice one to get a LOT more people killed before it all ends. Unlike Michonne who was an avowed enemy of the Gov., Carol has no relationship with Negan and would be nothing but sacrificial pawn in something she had no place in. I don't like either men using women in this way, but at least the motivation behind using Michonne is grounded in something intrinsic to the specific conflict they were in.

Negan's back next week. I'll tap out.

When the hell did Carol get so fragile that she can't take the truth about Glen and Abe?

If this group were a rock band they'd be called The Monosyllabics.

"Jesus took us to the Kingdom" - that sounds so much more important than it is.

I just started watching and don't feel like I missed anything

Ha! and Ha! I was watching the scenes of Laurel being pissy with Analise thinking the same thing. Also did they get a look at Ana's face? The woman was in jail and got beat up. And they know damned well she didn't kill Wes. So give her a few days to get over the fucking shock of being in fucking jail and being set up for murders that their dumb asses committed. Jeezy.

I don't see the anti-April sentiment as necessarily being pro-Meredith. I see it as an outgrowth of the the Team Richard vs. Team Minnick. Meredith got suspended because she wouldn't knuckle under the Minnick directive. When April took over the job she started actively implementing the Minnick stuff. So the cries of traitor etc. has more to do with her defecting from the Richard team and falling in line with Bailey. Using Richard's analogy of a war, Meredith is seen as loyal soldier because she took a hit for the team. Whereas as April is seen as being a turncoat first and profiting off Meredith's sacrifice second.

Jessie still being alive is irrelevant to the Rick and Michonne romance, though because she was pre-planned to die. There was no long term in the cards for them anyway. Also, I always felt she was some stand in for Lorie. He went crazy for her because she made his protective instincts kick in. Since Rick spent the start of the ZA in a coma and it was Shane who protected Lorie (and Carl) and got them out, he missed all that. Seeing Jessie in an environment like Alexandria which they could pretend was pre-ZA and in need of protection from her wife beating husband. I think he made her Lorie in his head somehow. But she was ultimately weak when it mattered. She just stood there and cried and let herself become Zombie chow. Meanwhile Michonne was the one who was killing folk to protect Carl. Opened his eyes to the fact that the world they live in now, women like Jessie can't thrive. She was his transition chick who was used to open his eyes to see the woman in front of him who could stand with him. Also he didn't even mourn her ass. This is why I love This is Us. Randal and Beth are fantastic as a couple. Very healthy black marriage. Also, the Murtaughs on Lethal Weapon and finally Blip and Evelyn on Pitch. While it is the husbands who are the main characters on the shows, the wives get a LOT of agency. I was so happily surprised about how much of a fully realized character Evelyn is on Pitch that I could do cartwheels! Ditto with Beth. Trish on Lethal Weapon, I already expected her to have a larger role so she wasn;t as much of a surprise and Evelyn and Beth. But I am just loving how strong the portrayals of these marriages are. Man, I loved Kevin and Vi. They were such a fun, raunchy, sexy couple. But then the show made them a throuple with this Svetlana chick. Ugh. I don't have an issue with polyamory. But I just loved Kevin and Vi's vibe as a couple. I feel their chemistry was ruined for me by the addition of the her into their lives.

Good lord, I watched this just appalled at how very childish everyone was being. Maggie and April bickering was so dumb. April, as much as I can't stand her, had the moral advantage. No matter that she was no longer on "their" side, she made her decision to take on Meredith's job. But then she completely relinquished all good will by being bratty toward the patient. It is one thing to snipe with Maggie, it is something else entirely to take out your petty shit on the patient. And then she compounded the issue by kicking Maggie off the surgery, not because of legit surgical reasons, but to flex her power after she herself had already fucked up the first surgery by trying to prove something. UGH. Also, Catherine is a piece of work. Jackson is her beloved son. No way do I think tearing him down in front of April comes from a place of sincerity. I can't shake the idea that this is another power play to drive a wedge between them. Finally, I have no time for Minnick's tears. She is awful. Just awful. Also the actress' crying scene was terrible. Compare that to Steph's ugly cry. Now that was a power crying scene.

GREAT show. I had no expectations about it, but had a free 30-day STARZ trial and binged all three seasons. Totally recommend it.

I think it depends on how you personally curate your television watching. For some people they do give stuff a chance for others, if it doesn't catch them right away then they are out. And for still others, problematic themes can sour what might be an otherwise ok show so they watch with a jaded eye. For me personally, diversity is important in a show. And not just having brown faces speckle the crowd, but giving them actual character agency and a real life. The pre-air marketing did not just feature Archie, Betty, Veronica and Jughead (which honestly what I would have expected) but it also featured Cheryl and Josie very prominently which would lead one to believe they were also important parts of the ensemble. It was that marketing of Josie as a potentially major character that actually prompted me to even give the show a shot since this sort of CW show isn't normally my thing. So to be three episodes in and for it to 1) feel like she is not even part of the main story and 2) have her go on about how hard it is to be a black woman as one of the first defining aspects of her personality is rather disheartening. And it doesn't bode well, imo, if that is what the lede is with that character. This is not to say the show can't get better. But it is fair to judge them on what they have given so far.

I think it is a major fail for one of the very few POC characters (who are actually coded as a POC in the show) to start their show tenure with talking about their race. To me it is exhausting that what seems to be the defining characteristic of this so far minor character is her talking about her blackness. Introduce her, give her a storyline, let us get to know her, show us what she is up against if you really need to go there. Don't have her speechifying about it in episode three when she has literally done nothing else from a character standpoint. It would have been so much more effective to have had scenes where Josie & the Pussycats are being shown as having a hard time getting their music out there while at the same time showing some (white) other person who is less talented having it easier. Anvilicious? maybe. But at least it would have contextualized her statements.

Yeah that is the reason he gave -- which, imo, was sketchy and weak sauce. But the timing is what I am pointing out. I didn't say he broke up because of the job, but after he got it. Which is true. He broke up with Connor the same day. I don't think Connor's forgiveness was an unnatural reaction. Yeah he should have been mad about what Oliver did, but that doesn't mean that forgiving him is somehow a wrong reaction. If anything it underlines how much more into Oliver Connor was than vice versa. The conversation would have had a much different meaning if Oliver said something like "I am sorry for what I did I just couldn't face you going so far away ..." but he didn't he turned it around and made is like Connor was the bad guy. So yeah, Oliver's reasoning was infuriating and puzzling and the timing is suspect.