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Yeah, well, time is going to tell on that one.

I've never been able to figure that out. I've heard everything from $60K per season to $200K per season. I think bar appearance fees and college lecture fees run about $5-$10K a pop, but that's based on what the RW kids got, which was like 10 years ago. I do not believe they get paid for any of the US Weekly or In Touch magazine covers that regularly feature them. As far as money from book deals- I could not even begin to guess. There's a huge range of advances and royalties and I would guess these girls are all on the low end of the range (being an unknown commodity and not a lot of business savvy). I have also heard the $15K from the porn/leaked sex tape, but I don't know what she got for the body molding. I think it's often misleading to judge someone's income/net worth based on their lifestyle or spending choices.

Well, I wouldn't want my kid visiting a porn set during a shoot, and I wouldn't want a porn star describing in detail her job functions while talking to my young kid, but as far as being around them- what's the problem? If I encountered a porn star while at the bank or grocery store I wouldn't expect her to randomly strip naked and get penetrated by someone while waiting in line, nor do anything else to indicate what her profession is to random strangers in public. I am sure people involved in porn can carry on conversations about the weather, the news, politics, sports, TV shows, just as well as my CPA friends can. I don't see how it would even come up, especially around a kid as young as Bentley. I just don't understand the problem. She actually assaulted her twice right? Once in the car, and once at home when the cops were called. Debra comes home in her giant ankle length fur coat rolling her eyes about this ridiculous overreaction on Farrah's part, when her daughter has a split lip and when the cops walked in Deb was gripping a kitchen knife. Yeah, that's totally normal, Debra.

I can understand her anger about their negotiations prior to the show, having the show change the terms, and then catching her reaction on camera with a clear intent to show it, likely in promos (which they did do). That was shitty. What I can't understand is WHY Farrah being involved with the show was a sticking point to begin with. Is Maci honestly that disturbed by them both appearing on the same show? I mean, the horse is out of the barn in a way. Even if Farrah never filmed another season of Teen Mom, when she does her sex marketing, her past experiences on Teen Mom is frequently, if not always, addressed. Anyone who knows who Maci is also knows who Farrah is. And if she's worried about Farrah's "crossover" porn fans that will possibly now be tuning in to Teen Mom- well anyone with an Itunes account and an internet connection can access hours of old episodes on which both girls appear. Plus, as commonly mentioned, it doesn't embarrass Maci that she shares the show with a chick who smacked around her boyfriend on camera? Or that on her sister show, there are not one, but two drug addicts, and another domestic abuser? Or an absentee baby daddy that frequently drives drunk and causes accidents that get other drivers hurt? Sure, Teen Mom 2 is a different show, but they are frequently lumped together. In short, shut up Maci. I don't watch the Aftershows- was Maci able to explain her feelings about why Farrah's porn past was so shocking to Maci's obviously delicate sensibilities?

Just re watched Farrah's 16 and pregnant. Debra actually lobbied pretty hard for adoption. At first she said it would be the kindest thing to do for a baby, and when that didn't impress Farrah, she switched gears and said Farrah should be focused on herself at that age, not a baby. Farrah's only explanation for wanting to keep the baby was that the baby was hers. I never got much of a maternal vibe from Farrah so that really surprised me. Back on topic- I think in the beginning of her pregnancy, Cate thought that adoption would be like the movie Juno- she would have the baby, have one good cry and then slip back into her old life, closer to Tyler than ever. I think at about 20 weeks it really hit her how much this was going to impact her for the rest of her life. Watching that episode again is heartbreaking as Cate cries to dawn and B&T that she doesn't always know she (Cate) will have a home so she certainly can't take on a baby. But I think Cate would have liked the opportunity to try under better circumstances. I don't think Tyler wanted to be a father at 16 under any circumstance.

Didn't Debra suggest adoption in the 16 and pregnant episode?

I don't really watch these guys that consistently, but I somewhat agree. I don't think Tyler has/had any interest in raising Carly at any point. Watching the 16 and Pregnant episode again, I think Tyler gave up his rights to Carly as much for his own sake as for hers. On the other hand, I think Cate would have loved to keep her and gave her up solely for Carly's best interest (well, maybe a little because that's what Tyler wanted). But if Cate could have known about the eventual Teen Mom money train, I actually think she would have kept Carly, even without Tyler's approval. Sometimes I wonder if that's why she dislikes Farrah so much- Farrah had the resources of her family to keep Sophia, yet seemed to want to keep the baby more to spite her parents than a genuine bond she had with Sophia. I mean, Maci had support too, but at least she seems to appreciate her child. Anyways, all that said, I think Cate understands that that particular ship sailed, and that her relationship with Carly can be friendly, but they will never have a mother-daughter bond. Tyler on the other hand just wants to remind everyone of what a selfless guy he is. If he doesn't act like he's still affected by the loss of Carly, people won't appreciate his sacrifice as much.

No, I don't believe for one second that Farrah is an entirely different person than what she appears who's every word and scene is calculated to play a certain role. I can maybe believe there are certain scenes where she acts a certain way for the cameras, but I still think she suffers from a personality disorder (maybe more than one) and is just not really that smart. It kind of reminds me of when, several years ago, Jessica Simpson claimed she purposely said the chicken/tuna thing on Newlyweds because she knew it would become huge. She may have, in the months that followed, intentionally acted ditsy, but you'll never convince me that scene wasn't totally legit and that she wasn't honestly confused.

I know. I'm sure Maci is going to try and claim that she's embarrassed to be associated with a porn star, but really, every single participant on this show should be embarrassed by their behavior at one point or another, and every participant has given up any rights to claim moral high ground here. I think the issue is, the girls don't like Farrah, and wanted to see her get her comeuppance by being excluded from the show (which, from what I can tell really did hurt her feelings). I can certainly understand that, because I think Farrah is a terrible person and I can't even enjoy her for entertainment value because her voice just drives me nuts, but even if Maci were completely honest about her beef with Farrah, I find it rather uppity to flounce off because production is doing something she wishes they wouldn't. She's a friggin cog in the wheel- she's not running the show.

I know the producers are limited by what their contracts say, but I really wish they'd call these girls' bluffs when they throw their little tantrums. If Maci wants to say she's quitting the show (which I kind of doubt she can legally do halfway through filming), I wish they'd just tell her okay and that they'll mail her the last check (or if she only gets one paycheck, that they'll prorate the amount) and pack up and walk away. What, Maci, are you jealous that Farrah is stealing your thunder? That you're not going to be the only size 2 with a boob job on the cast anymore?

I agree with this. Regardless of whether or not this baby was planned (or at least, not actively prevented because both Maci and Taylor were que sera, sera about it) I do NOT get the impression Taylor wants to get married at this point in his life. He may care for Maci, and he may be excited about impending fatherhood, but I don't think he's 100% settled on Maci as a life partner. I don't know that Maci is 100% settled on him either, but like you said, I think she's 100% settled on getting married, ASAP, to whoever that winds up being.

I'm going to have to stop reading this thread. The comments from their fans make my head explode. Is the fan suggesting that C&T deserve "royalties" for providing B&T with a kid? Crazy as Tyler is becoming, I am sure he would tell that fan that B&T providing Carly with a stable, happy childhood is payment enough. Although it's kind of skeezy to refer to any consequence that stems from the placement of your child in the adoption system as "payment".

I lived in Omaha for three years (2005-2007). Council Bluffs is in IA, but about 5-10 miles from downtown Omaha. It is a very blue collar town, and it does look depressing, but I wouldn't say it was like Detroit or other severely economic depressed, high crime areas. A lot of people live in Council Bluffs and work in Omaha, which does have a metropolitan area and a high insurance/banking concentration. But yeah, while Deb and Michael pulled down a decent income, I think they were pretty odd, and growing up in that house couldn't have been fun. It's too bad Debra has such a temper and can get so scary, because she does have really good advice sometimes (which Farrah never follows), and seems fairly shrewd. Something about the Abrahams remind me of this creepy movie from the early 90s, The People Under the Stairs, about a seemingly normal couple who kidnap kids and mutilate them and then keep them in the basement.

Yeah, I've been to Council Bluffs. That's not really a town that screams for Asian/Italian fusion. If I recall, Farrah did spend an impressive portion of the paper talking about interior decorating for the restaurant.

I'm guessing Momma Dawn is splitting hairs here- sounds to me like she's saying Leah doesn't do street drugs like heroin or meth. While pain pills can be abused, it would be a bit sanctimonious to say, I HATE vicodin and would not speak to anyone using them. Also, "wouldn't never"? Forget higher education, have these people ever even cracked open a book?

I don't think it was said what the exact assignment was- but it seemed like Farrah's presentation was fairly thin- she had focused on what kind of food (not specific foods, but a certain label, like Asian Fusion or something) would be served, and what the interior colors of the restaurant would be, without much detail about an operating budget, local market research, labor needs, any potential vendors or third party services, etc. Debra more or less just nodded her head while Farrah read it aloud, knowing she any advice she offered would not be well received. But yeah, the executive MBA line provided much appreciated mocking material for several weeks. I wish we could get Deb without Farrah.

Wow, I can't tell if Gary is some kind of evil genius when it comes to dealing with Amber, or if he's just dumb and Amber can't keep her temper in check long enough to figure out how to call him on it. She made a very valid point- Gary texting her sexual or flirty messages is not productive and needs to stop, and for her own sake, she needs to have a strict friends only policy with Gary. Gary responds that he's having a kid with someone else, isn't that closure? The ONLY thing Amber needed to say was, what does having a kid with someone have to do with continuing to send me propositions via text messages when you're in a relationship with someone else? She could have stayed on point and made Gary look stupid. Instead, she escalates it into a shrieking match over whether or not Gary wants the baby, which was SO not the point. And then when she realizes she's gone off topic, and with her reaction Gary has managed to imply to the viewers that it's all in Amber's head about whether or not Gary continues to send mixed messages, and perhaps she's just deeply in denial about her romantic future with Gary despite the fact that he has a long term girlfriend and a baby on the way- well then it's all over. I can't tell if Gary planned it that way, or if he has as much trouble staying on task as she does and it just worked out for him. I couldn't really watch the Tyler/B&T exchange. It just made me too uncomfortable. I wish Cate would have left Tyler a long time ago. Even she looked a bit embarrassed by the way he was carrying on at the airport.

If I recall, there was an assignment where she had to write a business plan for a new restaurant, and Deb helped her. I guess her teacher had a problem with some of Farrah's project, and Farrah was telling her mother that she had told her teacher, well my mom helped me, and she has an MBA (suggesting that Deb's word was gospel). Deb awesomely says, I have an EXECUTIVE MBA. I remember on twop she was referred to as Debra Abraham, e. MBA for awhile.

On top of the hypocrisy, Kaiser is what, 8-9 months? I don't think Jenelle has to worry about any attachment issues at this point. But by all means, Jenelle, take the 3 weeks that you're in between loser boyfriends (if you can even go 3 weeks) to be a mother to your sons and focus on school, until you inevitably eat your words by bringing some new psycho around your kids and losing interest in school.

Leah has a long torso and carries most of her weight in the butt and hips, so she generally rocks a flat stomach and slender arms, unless she's pregnant. She did get really thin going through her first divorce and mentioned on camera she'd lost about 20 pounds while separated from Corey. I would imagine with the stress of custody battles, Jeremy leaving, and a possible addiction, she's probably not eating too well lately.

I wasn't going to touch this with a 10 foot pole, but...who ARE these people? Would they truly rather their bio child be raised in a family where she feels like a boarder, and has to wait until she's 18 (and financially providing for herself) to finally bond with a mother figure? I know this person doesn't speak for all biological parents who choose adoption for their offspring, but is still infuriating and proves right there why some people are not ready to be parents. It should not be about the bio vs. adoptive parent- it should be about what is best for the child. Tyler is all up in arms about B&T supposedly trampling on his rights, never once considering that this is really about protecting Carly, not B&T trying to stick it to him however they can because they're so jealous he was able to procreate when they had fertility problems.

That would be so awesome, if he was secretly thinking, damn I wish I could stomp out of here in a huff, but it might take a couple false starts and I don't trust the crew to edit that out.

Yeah, Maci is less of a "follow my example" and really more of a cautionary tale. I would be surprised if she and Taylor ever get married. She's going to be like an acquaintance of mine, with two kids from two exes, and every holiday season is a battle because she's got to work out an agreement with two exes instead of one, and all three come from families that like to change plans. The odds of her getting to celebrate Christmas at the same time with both of her sons is pretty nil (ex #1 lives in a different state). I am not even sure we'll get to see Taylor's fathering skills in action- I don't know if we're going to see another season of Teen Mom after this snoozefest. As far as Tyler and his "fans"- I realize a lot of 12 year olds aren't necessarily critical thinkers, but that one insipid fan who said C&T deserved Carly back- really? Really? So, because in your estimation, two people are likeable and relatable, you think a 6 year old girl should be taken from her family and live with two idiots who can't hold down a job or complete one semester of school and who's big ambition in life is to try to appear on any reality show that will have them? I wish that kind of thinking would have C&T scratching their heads like, who are these people? but I am guessing they are totally validated by them.

I'm just trying to wrap my head around someone being so desperate to keep Gary around that they have a child with him, regardless of the reasons why. Add me to the camp who is suspicious that Kristina either completely stopped taking her pills, or "forgot" to take them so frequently that they were basically ineffective. Yes, I know a woman can take her pills just as she is supposed to and still end up pregnant, but for some reason, I just don't believe that was the case with Kristina. As to what she gets out of an unplanned pregnancy with someone like Gary who clearly isn't that committed to her and has also made it clear that he doesn't want another kid- I can't even fathom. I don't know why Kristina even dates him, let alone wants to marry him. Yes, he's on TV, but honestly, even if I were a Tyler level famewhore, I would think admitting to millions of viewers that I was regularly sleeping with Gary would be far more mortifying than whatever benefit being a D list celebrity would be worth. So I don't know. On previous seasons, I could maybe rationalize that perhaps Gary was a really cool guy and a good father and maybe Kristina is less shallow than me and can see past his physical appearance- but he's quickly disproving that theory every episode. However, with regards to the presence of Leah not keeping Amber and Gary together- Kristina could probably rationalize that Amber's temper and drug problem is what broke them up, and if that hadn't been an issue, maybe they would still be together. I also imagine that whenever Kristina has busted Gary for giving Amber mixed signals, Gary has pulled the "but she's the mother of my child, of course I have feelings for her" card.

I did think Kristina was normal and nice based on the first episode, although I wondered why she was with Gary. However, as more stuff is coming to light about her, I don't think she is as nice as she seems. It would not surprise me if she got pregnant on purpose, which, if she did while telling Gary she was on BC, was really shitty not only to Gary, but really to her potential kid who was clearly planned as means to an end, and deserves to be born to two parents that wanted a child. Where I disagree with a previous poster is whether or not Gary has the right to express dismay about an unplanned pregnancy when he himself did nothing to contribute to any form of contraception. Hormonal birth control isn't 100%, but it's pretty damn effective, and the multiple pronged functions of birth control (mainly suppression of ovulation hormones, but it does a few other things that make conception and implantation difficult) make it hard to get pregnant, even if the woman does miss a pill here and there (believe me, I know this from experience). If Gary was trusting Kristina to take her pill (and maybe that trust was a mistake, but I'd like to think I'd trust my girlfriend of a year to not lie to my face) the odds of pregnancy were low- yes they could have been lower had Gary been inclined to wear a condom- enough that I don't think being surprised by a pregnancy is out of line. If Kristina did lie to Gary about taking pills, that was a terrible thing to do and is not excused by the fact that Gary wasn't wearing a condom either.