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Thanks for the clarification. I like The Ashley. Her burns on Leah Messer are the best.

Are you sure? I did some research on this and the writer of the blog is Ashley Majeski, who said she got her start blogging for fun about the Bachelor and then decided to expand after some Teen Mom comments she made generated a lot of hits, and then she writes articles for some other publications regarding reality TV. Also, there is a picture of her on one of the websites and she doesn't look anything like Ashley, Farrah's sister that we've seen on the show. And when she mentions Farrah's sister, she refers to her as Farrah's sister, not "me" . Also, her own website says she has covered the nightlife and television industries for over 10 years. I think Farrah's sister is 27 now. I guess she could have been 17 when she started but I think it's two different people.

It might not be one specific trauma though. It might be years of subtle undermining, insults, manipulation, etc- there may not be a particular reason she can articulate. And if there was some kind of abuse going on, sadly Farrah wouldn't be the first person I've known of to accept that abuse as normal and let the cycle continue by exposing her own kids without realizing the damage. Her sister (on the rare occasions she's filmed) seems to have the same type of relationship with her mom that Farrah has. One minute it's Ashley and Farrah against Debra, the next it's Ashley and Debra against Farrah. Weird, weird, weird family.

I was coming on here to post the same thing! Well, not about the stripper thing, but just about Maci talking about what conditions she would require in order to grace the rest of us with her presence. I wish so hard production would tell her to pound sand with her "conditions".

So it did. I was thinking it happened in Teen Mom, but when I rewatched 16 and Pregnant I stopped watching after Farrah delivered. That scene happened in the last 10 min of the show. Huh, so I guess Debra had the potential to ACT normal during most of the filming but couldn't quite pull it off 100% of the time. As the seasons went on, Debra either became less capable of acting normal, or just didn't care enough to hide it anymore. I think Farrah acted like a huge bitch the last 15 min of her 16 and Pregnant episode, so I feel Debra's pain having to live with her, but smacking your kid is not the way to go. I think Farrah was super overwhelmed by motherhood and Debra was like, dude, I told you it was going to be this way, which just made Farrah react even worse. You can't tell Farrah I told you so. Actually, you can't tell her anything. Her dad compliments her and she still tells him to shut up.

I just can't even figure the Abrahams out. Is the whole thing a joke and they're acting crazy for the cameras? I recently watched her 16 and Pregnant episode, which I had not seen since it originally aired. The family is...almost normal. Farrah is a cheerleader with friends (granted, they're high school girls, and they're in the catty popular clique where you can be ousted for not wearing pink on the right day or wearing sweatpants to school), but they all appear to have been friends before the camera rolled. And I actually blamed Farrah's friends for the eventual falling out they had, not Farrah (Farrah told them she was pregnant and asked them not to say anything, they told everyone, and when Farrah confronted them, in a somewhat reasonable manner, not at all the harpy she is now, they totally gave her the cold shoulder and treated her like shit). Most shocking is the relationship between her and her mom. They actually seem friendly, and Debra gives some pretty sound advice throughout the episode. In the beginning, when Farrah explains that Derek is becoming controlling, Debra tells her to just put some space in between them, and not encourage him in any way, and see if he backs off on his own. When Farrah is ostracized at school, Debra tells her that just because she is pregnant in high school doesn't mean she deserves everyone's scorn, and she needs to hold her head high because she knows the things people are saying about her aren't true. And she explained more than once that Farrah should enjoy her teenage years and strongly consider adoption; that it would be the most loving thing to do for her baby. And they go out to eat as a family and seem to get along well, and there are Farrah's cheerleading pictures posted on the walls- and they just seem so...normal. She was also pretty supportive during Farrah's actual labor, even though she had mentioned several times she didn't want to be in the delivery room, but when Farrah went into labor, Ashley was sick, the dad was out of town, and it was Debra or nothing, so Debra did it. It's almost sad to see in a way. Debra does come off as pretty bossy, and Farrah a little snobby, but nothing like the trainwreck they are now. And from almost the beginning of Teen Mom S1, the vibe had changed and Debra was crazy, and Farrah was a total bitch. I can't tell if something changed, or if they just managed to hide the crazy for the 5 months they were being filmed for 16 and Pregnant.

The only school that has been referenced in recent articles that I've seen is Chattanooga State Community College. But she has transferred several times. I don't think 6 years is crazy either, which is why I don't believe Maci is close to obtaining a 4 year degee. She has quit halfway through multiple semesters, dropped classes, transferred colleges (most likely losing credits), and has skipped some semesters altogether to travel.

That's probably true, given that Maci wasn't really able to articulate a reason for her objection, other than nodding along with what Taylor said. I don't count anything she said at a later date when she had time to formulate an argument. The only thing she said was "I'm not going to have my 6 year old son on a show with someone who did porn on camera" - like Maci, is there a way to do porn that DOESN'T involve a camera?? Isn't that um, kind of the point of porn? I just don't believe Maci is really that disturbed by sharing screen time with someone involved in porn. I think she's disturbed by sharing screen time with Farrah specifically, but she's grabbing on to the porn thing because she knows a lot viewers will back her up, and it sounds much better than,"I'm pissed because someone I can't stand that I've been wishing would fall flat on her face for the last 2 years has gotten her way and somehow convinced production that the show is not as good without her". Just my opinion as to what is really up Maci's ass about the situation. (Oh, so many jokes can be made thanks to Farrah...)

He might do all right in the local dating market though. It's really not hard to find a cute, thin girl with low enough self esteem to be impressed with what Ty Ty is selling. I've been around the bar scene enough in my early 20s to gauge about how well someone of his caliber would do. Also, what he would go for- he's not going to hit on a girl once he finds out she's a CPA or an engineer or anything requiring higher education, a good salary, and an ability to see through his bullshit. I don't think Tyler is a good boyfriend, but I also don't think he's with Cate solely because he thinks he can't do better, or even because he's worried about pissing off his "fans". I think the guy's emotionally stunted at 16, and will always feel some sort of tie to Catelynn. But I bet it's always an unspoken threat between them that he "could" get better if Cate doesn't toe the line.

All the fan sites are very ambiguously worded- they all say she is "working" on her bachelors, and is set to graduate "soon". The assumption then, would be that she is set to graduate with her bachelors soon. However, I think it is purposely misleading- I think by "working on" they mean "completing a step that could lead to an eventual bachelors". Some programs are set up (like, for example, a nursing degree) where you can earn a 2 year degree and then at some point, go back and get your bachelors, within the same field. Or, some people just go for a 4 year bachelors and don't earn an associates degree in between. I think Maci is doing the former, but purposely trying to make it sound like the latter. I don't know how much it really matters- I am sure Maci is earning a meager salary as a "Social Media Marketing Specialist" where I bet her duties consist of updating the company's facebook and twitter page from home, and the company can use her name to promote themselves while she uses her "job" as a way to promote herself as the most responsible, moral paragon of teen motherhood, defying the odds by going to school and working and supporting her child. And she'll only do it until she can lock down a husband and stay at home with her kids, so I am not sure in the long run what difference it makes what kind of degree she has.

That's a very pretty baby. Those are some serious blue eyes in that pic. I'm jealous. I don't care much for earrings on babies either. I see it quite a bit though, across the board as far as regions, ethnicity, religions, etc. go.

I think that argument would have a lot more merit if Maci followed through with her threat and completely cut ties with Teen Mom, but it appears that Maci is merely stomping off to pout in a corner and then will eventually be back. So, either she doesn't have that strong of an opinion about Farrah's profession, or Maci's own morals are for sale. Maci is not providing for her son via school and a regular job. She supports herself and her son with her teen mom money, same as Farrah. And her school career is dubious at best.

I thought Farrah had earned her associates too. But then I heard on here it was actually a certification, not an AA. As for Maci, I could be wrong, but the impression that I got was that her graduation date of Spring 2015 was for her Associates of Science in Media Technology, and her next step would be getting her bachelors.So technically, you could argue she IS working on her bachelors now, but the degree she is said to be earning this year will be a 2 year degree. But I'm getting all of this off Wet Paint and Ashley Roundup and other fan sites so I could be wrong. I would be shocked though if Maci was set to get her bachelors this spring given all the classes she's missed or dropped and entire semesters she's taken off, and I don't think she was ever a full time student (at least, not by the end of her semester). Anyone with better information feel free to chime in.

Derek's sister did agree to take a DNA test on one of the seasons of Teen Mom when Farrah was applying for social security benefits for Sophia and needed to prove paternity. I think it was ruled that it was 99% certain that Farrah's ex was the biological father, but SS denied the claim because there was no child support in order (the SS benefit exists only to replace a child support order that will go unfulfilled after the death of the non custodial partner). However, I think after that went down, the mother of Farrah's ex sued Farrah or threatened to sue Farrah and went to any media outlet that would listen to complain about Farrah, so I imagine that bridge is burned. Sophia's paternal grandmother is named Stormie Clark if you want to google her. I think the possible lawsuit might have also been an episode of Teen Mom, but I don't remember what season.

OK, if we are going off lowered standards (since none of the other girls have completed any level of post secondary education), then yes, Maci being on the cusp of receiving her Associates degree in Media Technology (that it took her 6+ years to earn, assuming she graduates this semester, which is never a sure thing) IS an item of note. I get what you're saying. Plenty of people (especially women) feel like porn is degrading to women, and the existence of porn sets women back decades and promotes a general disrespect. I don't happen to agree with that, but I have heard some well articulated speeches from those that do. However, it is still a bit unseemly to me if one were to speak out against porn but not say boo about domestic violence, drug abuse, absentee parenting, drunk driving, etc. That said, I don't at all agree that Maci has an issue with porn itself anyways- I think this is about Farrah personally and the porn is a convenient thing to hide behind because the views on it are so polarizing. It also makes Maci look good- all those that are against porn as a rule will immediately appreciate her speaking out against it.

I know. I think Farrah is a delusional, unlikeable person, but at least she has used her resources to get her foot in the door for multiple endeavors, from porn to publishing to whatever else she has going on. I don't think she'll ever be really successful because she is mostly uneducated, unwilling to learn, and can't take even the most constructive of criticism, but at least she's trying. All Maci uses her "fame" for is a few free drinks and comp'd vacations. She seems to have truly zero ambition to do anything other than post on her twitter and go on vacations with her friends or boyfriend. And Amber and Cate are even less inclined than that. I think Maci is of average intelligence, but incredibly undisciplined. I would bet that in high school, her classes were super structured and she was graded based on attendance, daily assignments, and quizzes and tests on which the teacher created a study guide and the students were graded by the completion. I bet she has never developed any kind of study habits, has no time management skills, and for college classes where your entire grade may be determined by 2-3 tests, can't manage to keep up, because her attendance and studying is so spotty. Cate and Amber, on the other hand, just seem like they maybe fall below average on basic intelligence. I mean, they're both lazy, but maybe they also have either a learning disability or are just not very bright. Can't figure Farrah out. I think she seemed of average intelligence during her 16 and Pregnant episode, and actually seemed to be the only one of any of these girls who could handle an unstructured learning environment, but maybe she's just not that interested in school. Her "I'm always right" attitude will do her no favors down the road. Think Teen Mom seriously emotionally and intellectually stunted all these girls.

Well said. Although I think it doesn't just "look" like sour grapes, I think it IS sour grapes. And really,how does porn conflict with sex education? I would think that those in the adult entertainment industry would actually be MORE proactive about safe sex and getting tested and properly using contraception than some 23 year old hick who managed to "accidentally" get pregnant twice.Really, if anyone is destroying Maci's credibility when it comes to her brand, it's Maci.

The name Jayde makes me think of that ridiculous "glamour model" that dated Brody Jenner and had some kind of rivalry with Holly Madison. Not a name I'd like to saddle a baby girl with. But what do you expect from a reality star who picks up all her boyfriends at motor cross events.

Yeah, well, time is going to tell on that one.

I've never been able to figure that out. I've heard everything from $60K per season to $200K per season. I think bar appearance fees and college lecture fees run about $5-$10K a pop, but that's based on what the RW kids got, which was like 10 years ago. I do not believe they get paid for any of the US Weekly or In Touch magazine covers that regularly feature them. As far as money from book deals- I could not even begin to guess. There's a huge range of advances and royalties and I would guess these girls are all on the low end of the range (being an unknown commodity and not a lot of business savvy). I have also heard the $15K from the porn/leaked sex tape, but I don't know what she got for the body molding. I think it's often misleading to judge someone's income/net worth based on their lifestyle or spending choices.

Well, I wouldn't want my kid visiting a porn set during a shoot, and I wouldn't want a porn star describing in detail her job functions while talking to my young kid, but as far as being around them- what's the problem? If I encountered a porn star while at the bank or grocery store I wouldn't expect her to randomly strip naked and get penetrated by someone while waiting in line, nor do anything else to indicate what her profession is to random strangers in public. I am sure people involved in porn can carry on conversations about the weather, the news, politics, sports, TV shows, just as well as my CPA friends can. I don't see how it would even come up, especially around a kid as young as Bentley. I just don't understand the problem. She actually assaulted her twice right? Once in the car, and once at home when the cops were called. Debra comes home in her giant ankle length fur coat rolling her eyes about this ridiculous overreaction on Farrah's part, when her daughter has a split lip and when the cops walked in Deb was gripping a kitchen knife. Yeah, that's totally normal, Debra.

I can understand her anger about their negotiations prior to the show, having the show change the terms, and then catching her reaction on camera with a clear intent to show it, likely in promos (which they did do). That was shitty. What I can't understand is WHY Farrah being involved with the show was a sticking point to begin with. Is Maci honestly that disturbed by them both appearing on the same show? I mean, the horse is out of the barn in a way. Even if Farrah never filmed another season of Teen Mom, when she does her sex marketing, her past experiences on Teen Mom is frequently, if not always, addressed. Anyone who knows who Maci is also knows who Farrah is. And if she's worried about Farrah's "crossover" porn fans that will possibly now be tuning in to Teen Mom- well anyone with an Itunes account and an internet connection can access hours of old episodes on which both girls appear. Plus, as commonly mentioned, it doesn't embarrass Maci that she shares the show with a chick who smacked around her boyfriend on camera? Or that on her sister show, there are not one, but two drug addicts, and another domestic abuser? Or an absentee baby daddy that frequently drives drunk and causes accidents that get other drivers hurt? Sure, Teen Mom 2 is a different show, but they are frequently lumped together. In short, shut up Maci. I don't watch the Aftershows- was Maci able to explain her feelings about why Farrah's porn past was so shocking to Maci's obviously delicate sensibilities?

Just re watched Farrah's 16 and pregnant. Debra actually lobbied pretty hard for adoption. At first she said it would be the kindest thing to do for a baby, and when that didn't impress Farrah, she switched gears and said Farrah should be focused on herself at that age, not a baby. Farrah's only explanation for wanting to keep the baby was that the baby was hers. I never got much of a maternal vibe from Farrah so that really surprised me. Back on topic- I think in the beginning of her pregnancy, Cate thought that adoption would be like the movie Juno- she would have the baby, have one good cry and then slip back into her old life, closer to Tyler than ever. I think at about 20 weeks it really hit her how much this was going to impact her for the rest of her life. Watching that episode again is heartbreaking as Cate cries to dawn and B&T that she doesn't always know she (Cate) will have a home so she certainly can't take on a baby. But I think Cate would have liked the opportunity to try under better circumstances. I don't think Tyler wanted to be a father at 16 under any circumstance.

Didn't Debra suggest adoption in the 16 and pregnant episode?

I don't really watch these guys that consistently, but I somewhat agree. I don't think Tyler has/had any interest in raising Carly at any point. Watching the 16 and Pregnant episode again, I think Tyler gave up his rights to Carly as much for his own sake as for hers. On the other hand, I think Cate would have loved to keep her and gave her up solely for Carly's best interest (well, maybe a little because that's what Tyler wanted). But if Cate could have known about the eventual Teen Mom money train, I actually think she would have kept Carly, even without Tyler's approval. Sometimes I wonder if that's why she dislikes Farrah so much- Farrah had the resources of her family to keep Sophia, yet seemed to want to keep the baby more to spite her parents than a genuine bond she had with Sophia. I mean, Maci had support too, but at least she seems to appreciate her child. Anyways, all that said, I think Cate understands that that particular ship sailed, and that her relationship with Carly can be friendly, but they will never have a mother-daughter bond. Tyler on the other hand just wants to remind everyone of what a selfless guy he is. If he doesn't act like he's still affected by the loss of Carly, people won't appreciate his sacrifice as much.