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I don't think the show hid Niles' syndrome. But I agree that they should have provided some support for the Tell-All. They provide interpreters for cast members who don't speak English, which is a way of facilitating their interaction with the rest of the cast. Why couldn't they allow/suggest that Niles have someone there with him to assist in his interactions? He doesn't seem to need that in everyday life, but the show knows that the Tell-All is not everyday life and is designed to be provocative and triggering. As far as Niles' aggressiveness, I don't get the sense that he would actually get physically with anyone; I think that more bluster than anything else. I think the risk for Niles is that he tries that bluster out on the wrong person. Also, I agree that someone should have shut Adnan down. Frankly it's disappointing that no one on the cast did (unless they did and it was edited out).

I wish Shawn would do her job and ask real questions. Then the cast wouldn't have the chance to showboat. I do think Niles came across as a bit of an asshole, though. He needs someone to remind him to calibrate. As far as Vanya goes, I think we've seen her mischaracterize the contents of conversations and interactions this season. So I don't doubt that she and Joszco had a conversation of filming themselves in which he perceived getting the green-light. It doesn't seem to have been something covert, otherwise he wouldn't have shown her immediately afterwards. And I don't see as such an invasion of privacy if he had no intention of ever sharing it. Although I do wish someone (*ahem* Shawn) would've asked if that experience didn't make Bozo's approach look better. Frankly, I think Vanya is pushing hard for Single Life.

Because the her entire raison d”etre has been that she (and by extension her disciples) DON’T need to lose weight to be “fabulous”. At her size it was always a lie. But she decided that this show is her only realistic, and most lucrative, income stream, so she’s kept up the lie. And misappropriated the HAES philosophy along the way.

Because for some reason there are gullible, vulnerable people who actually believe in her and who deserve the truth

Yes. Grief does not cure PCOS or diabetes or pre-diabetes or insulin resistance.

And here's the other thing (besides the fact that we know Whitney is a pathological liar): Her whole spiel throughout the course of this series has been that due to medical conditions (PCOS, etc). she is literally unable to lose weight, no matter what she does. So how does she reconcile her adamant assertions that she physically cannot lose weight with her current apparent weight loss? Was she lying then, or is she lying now?

I’ve never been a big fan of Drew Barrymore. But beyond that, to the extent that the show is still running, wouldn’t TPTB still have say over what press the cast can do? If so, it’s disappointing that they still want her haggard, ghastly, witch-like visage to be the face of the franchise. And it doesn’t bode well for future seasons.

Sadly I'm Hulu only. But I can't wait!

I just finished bingeing the season. While I haven't read through the whole thread, I'd thought I'd drop in and drop a conspiracy theory (that I don't believe, but that is at least plausible). And, I say this as a born-and raised, and still live in, Philadelphia native. The theory: the stadium worker who told the pilots they were looking for a couple of "pizza shops" named Pat's and Geno's was a plant meant to sabotage them. Basis: no one, but NO one who lives in Philadelphia, and certainly no one who works at the stadium, would refer to Pat's and Geno's as "pizza shops". The one, the ONLY thing, they're known for is CHEESESTEAKS. They're CALLED, Pat's, or Geno's Cheesesteaks. No local would misspeak in that way. Anyway, carry-on.

There have been several scenes over the course of this franchise that, if the genders and nationalities were switched, would cause a firestorm.

Some others follow her closer than I, and would have a better idea. But as far as I’m concerned the STRONG (and intentional) implication of her constantly blaming her weight on her phantom PCOS diagnosis (which we’ve never heard confirmed by an actual endocrinologist) is that she is the weight she is DESPITE a healthy diet.

And she’s so self-involved the only value she places on a child is as an accessory. And this point the costs probably outweigh the benefits on that front

This got memory-holed after the 1st or 2nd season. Back then Whit’s shtick was basically “HAPPY at any size”. Then she decided to hide behind “HEALTHY at any size” (which expressly DOES NOT include people in her weight category) so she had to nix any talk about not actually being healthy. Given the fact that the franchise has been waddling on fumes, I’d be surprised if she doesn’t decide to parlay her weight loss into a storyline (if not a whole other show)

The funny thing is, if she thought she could make a penny by endorsing the medicine she’s obviously taking she’d be shouting its praises from the rooftop.

I remember on one of the Tell Nothings she had a mask over her mouth pretending to have not had dental work done