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Poor guy. Irv is so scared of her he can't eat an orange slice without apologizing for starting ahead of her. He'll stay with her through the end and who knows, she may make a good bossy nurse. I think she's probably okay with him, as long as he accepts, to quote Irv, "She likes to be in control."

Oh sorry, I didn't hear them say his age so I was just guessing. I thought he looked like he was in his mid-eighties so I was subtracting 11 from that. Probably being married to Marjorie has aged him prematurely. ETA I just went back and watched the ending. Wonder why they wanted five big pictures of Marilyn Monroe? I see giant pictures of her in everything from penthouses condos in Dubai to English cottages. It's like a new religion of some sort. I don't get it.

I hope other hoarders weren't watching this and getting ideas. Marjorie's excuses were quick and creative. The plans for making a healthy vegetable aspic in the rust covered fish mold, using dog dishes for salad, saving the entire hoard until you have a chance to donate it to the Bernese Mountain dogs who still live in the Alps. She's the first to reduce Cory and Dr. Tolin to sarcasm and near tears. Now we know why her husband was devastated over being forced into retirement at the early age of 75. He has to stay home with her. All day. Every day.

I thought as long as he was being beat up in the last episode they might have shown him with a cast on his ankle to explain older Morse's dropped foot.

Well, I'm sad and a little depressed. I hate to see such wonderful show end. I actually thought the passing of the bouquet was a private joke between two friends who knew each other well, and that in the earlier conversation about the Gay Liberation when the doctor was talking about being married to his job, we were supposed to think he was a closeted gay, intending to remain so. In fact that whole story line had me upside down for a while because I thought the handyman himself was gay and he had been arranging secret meetings for the Gay Liberation, the men he killed being writers of anti-gay letters to the newspapers. I should have known PBS would never allow a gay murderer, the venomous speech where the handyman hated all minorities being more their speed. Don't misunderstand, I'm liberal myself, but I think PBS has been a little heavy handed with their agenda in recent years. I didn't really like the imagined scene between Morse and Joan. They could have played almost that whole thing out, alone in the church after the rehearsal, with Joan then saying she loved him too, but that she also loved Strange and was going through with the wedding. I wanted to see Endeavour confess his love to her, but I didn't want the writers to trick me. Those are my complaints but just about the only ones out of the whole series. It was an exciting and satisfying finale.

Sherry These weekday morning Buried Alive's are becoming addictive to me. Why get up and clean my house when I can just sit here and feel superior by comparison? I really don't feel superior to the clearly mentally ill, but today's woman is just plain lazy, literally hip deep in wet disgusting garbage. Her daughter Ally is her fulltime maid, cook and McDonalds door-dasher. Part of the trouble is, Ally is not too far from her raising, and says she can't take out any trash because she doesn't know what stuff to throw out. As if that baked bean can full of roaches might be a keeper. Sherry says she can't do anything because she has 17 disabilities. Strangely none of the 17 are visible and her ex says she doesn't have any trouble going shopping or on vacation. Sherry just sits in her recliner, tossing tissues and pop cans on the pile beside her. She also has diabetes and throws the needles out into the living room. Sherry tells Dr. Julie that her house is a mess because her kids won't clean it. Julie says softly, "But this is your house, you are responsible." Boom! Sherry is shocked and upset at such a statement and tells Julie to leave because she's making her feel bad. She then shuts out all Julies attempts to talk about it and finally Sherry interviews that Dr. Julie is the biggest [bleep] she's ever met. The exterminators just came for what Sherry calls, "The roach infestication," They take one look, get in their truck and squeal off. This is a classic episode, I hope someone else is watching it!

I kept forgetting it was 1998, so Chris wouldn't have been doing research on the computer. One thing we know for sure is Bobby Joe doesn't need a reason to kill women. Getting $5000 for it is probably just a favorite fantasy for him.

When Bright took a breath and said, "But they're not here." I had chills. He has so few lines, but he makes each one count. Thursday had such a great speech during the interrogation of the first prissy young gentleman, I had to back up and listen to it again. I'm never entirely sure what's going on, but the creation of atmosphere and wonderful acting has me feeling frightened all the time anyway. I'm so sad to think we only have one more episode.

LOL She looked a quite a bit like your avatar PsychoKlown. Well! I just watched it last night and I just loved reading everyone's comments this morning. Just the volume of opinions here show how negligent that jury was. There are at least two days worth of discussion points. I was aghast at the hard core lying and manipulation by the police interrogators. I showed that part to my husband who is a Dateline innocent and didn't know police are allowed to lie. We decided that if we believed they were truthful and we'd been in the hot seat for hours, we too, might be saying, "Well if you found my fingerprints on the body I must have killed her and blacked it out or something." On the other hand. I believe online porn has made monsters out of many weak wishy washy men like Chris. It can be as bad as gambling addiction for ruining marriages and draining bank accounts. The fact that Chris's addiction had escalated from all the mountains of free porn online to having to watch the pay for routines and talk to them on the phone makes me think he was dreaming of a life where he didn't have to spend time listening to Andrea talk for hours and boss him around. I think he might have researched the computer guy online, saw he was a criminal and got an idea. He might have promised the "money in a shoe in the closet." and then changed his mind about it. On the other hand," I think it's quite possible Bobby Joe went to her house to rob it, got caught and killed her, or went to her house purposely to rape and kill her. That was exactly what he did to another woman. Bobby sounded smart and he believed that murder for hire was a lesser offence and he would get moved off the mountain if he claimed it was Chris's idea. I didn't understand how Kevin could have had unwavering faith in Chris for all those years and then suddenly be convinced Chris was the murderer over one vague sentence about, "I must have carried her to the closet," during the interrogation torture after he was asked to imagine what could have happened to get her in the closet after he was home from work. Bottom line, I think Chris could well be guilty but there isn't enough evidence to convict.

I just asked Google about this and it took me to an interesting site by Roger Allam (as if I couldn't love Thursday more he's written about the show while barely mentioning himself.) He says: "In his undergraduate days Morse had a relationship that ended badly and resulted in him losing his scholarship and having to leave university without a degree to join the army."* *https://all-allam.com/inspector-morse-and-endeavour/

I think I've watched every one of these and the "Buried Alive" ones and, taken all together, it does start to feel like a fairly hopeless condition in all but a few cases. The first season, I thought people were being fixed and, once their house was clean, they would probably turn over a new leaf and keep it that way. Then a "where are they now" episode showed us the re-hoarding and I think only a very few had maintained. I don't think the show is even trying to find enough positive stories to make return episodes anymore. Then I started looking for the stuffed rooms and walls of boxes left behind during the final reveal, and realized they weren't even starting fresh in most cases. It's been a long time since I've felt like we were leaving behind a clean, restored home for the family to go forward in, and it's really no one's fault, the hoarders are sick and will never feel safe and comfortable if they aren't surrounded by stuff, and the therapists are probably running right out of patience with the condition and ready to switch careers. I could use an episode where the subject was simply overwhelmed due to a broken leg or something and needed a fresh start. After the haul away, they could bring in cleaners, painters, and a decorator and really show us a striking before and after. Just once, Show?

I'm watching "Holding Mom Hostage," right now on TLC. David just got carried away in a classic Hoarder-Hissy and pulled a tree house down on his head and almost on top of soft voiced Julie who is so not the person to handle him. I don't remember this one and it's good. He lives with his 94 year-old mother and his siblings are furious.

I think she would be happier with Strange, too, but I think that's because she is self-centered and conventional. Joan is a taker and she would want a man who would give her everything she wanted without a fuss. I agree that Strange is a sweet man and I feel sorry for him. Joan probably did not tell Strange anything about her relationship with Morse, she is very secretive, after all, when she ran away from home, she didn't tell her mother where she was, even after Morse found her and let her know her mother was sick with worry. She went to Morse after her married boyfriend beat her up, and Morse was with her in the hospital when she lost the baby she was carrying. Morse asked her to marry him. So even if they never had a normal dating relationship she knows he cared deeply about her.

The minute I saw Mabs walking down the street during the opening credits I said she'll be our murderer of the week. They don't put big glasses on an ordinary looking girl unless they want us to remember her. It's good to have them all back, but the sadness of Thursday's son being messed up and Endeavour's heart breaking in front of us was almost too much. I know Strange thinks Morse and Joan were just a quick passing thing, but I wouldn't think you'd want any sort of ex-boyfriend as best man. Joan might have warned him, but Joan has always been coldly unconcerned about Endeavour's feelings while, at the same time, been fully aware of them. If I had a red lipstick I'd write something on Joan's mirror.

I told my husband if he ever wanted to get me out of the way by having me committed, just drive me to Canada and have me spend the day with Darlene. She is everything I can't stand to be around rolled up in one soggy cardboard package. Interrupting everyone with nonsensical talk, asking them questions and then not letting them answer, making every little thing about her and her feelings, pontificating about crystals, essential oils, pendulums and the healing arts without every asking herself why she's still a total mess. Never listening to a single person including the therapist and organizer. I take everything she said about changing her mother's diapers while her father was down at the Legion with a big grain of salt. Maybe that happened once. Because this is the woman who can look out her front door at 20 people who have come to help her and cry about how no one came to support her when they knew how she struggles. If the camera hadn't been there we would believe she had been left alone all day. I also expect she did make-up for the entertainment industry one time and has been on unemployment ever since. No wonder her friends leave after a while, I'm sure anything less than constant phone calls, hand holding and hugs would be construed as abandonment. Poor Sarah thought Darlene was having a breakthrough when she said she had finally found a voice for her inner child, but I thought that sounded as practiced as, "I'm dealing with dead bodies," "I need to sit with decisions," and "I don't do negotiations." The only honest thing she said was, "I want fun and yummy." I had so much anxiety watching this that when that red chiffon shawl she was wearing finally came of in the boxes I almost cried with relief.

Ahhhh, from necessity comes great invention, particularly when you don't have much to think about other than how pretty your lips are going to look when the end times hit and you start being queen.

The first time I noticed that it was Susan Smith, the woman who drowned her own children. There she was in court wearing a denim shirt and jeans (no orange jumpsuit in her prison) that would have cost more than my current T-shirt and sweats, with a fresh bouncy perm and full makeup. Sometimes the prisoner has blonde streaks that would cost $200 in a good salon. It burns me up. At least I had the pleasure of seeing Lori Vallow in court with her black roots grown six inches long, but she's still getting that red lipstick somewhere.

Okay, I'm going to have to defend Andy a little bit. I have sort of crush on him. I like 'em old, leathery, and surprisingly strong. First off, Louise asked him to come and live with her after her husband died. She said he takes good care of her, shops, cooks, takes her to the doctor, etc. Most importantly to a 93 year old he's there twenty-four seven. My neighbor is 101, for the last five years she's had around the clock aides. That means four fulltime women, three for the eight hour shifts plus one aide for the days off. they may be more professional than Andy but he loves her and that makes a big difference. Would Mike want to pay salaries for four fulltime caregivers? I see it all the time, whenever there's one child who is a caregiver all the siblings are free with the criticism. I was also on Andy's side about getting the yard done before the carport. It's the yard that's going to get the place condemned. I knew within ten minutes that Andy wasn't therapy material. You could see how he hated all the stops for conversation about feelings. He doesn't respond well to therapy-speak. "Andy I can tell you're frustrated," was followed by, "I already know how I feel." I hope he and Louise can out run the long arm of the law and the mortgage company. Was Louise the first nice older lady the show has ever had?

Thanks AZChristian and CrazyinAlabama. Yes! I see my spectrum cable is showing it Monday at noon. In the meantime my husband went through the computer ordeal so I could watch it online. Finally, I can see the value in his degree in computer science. Heh. Well. I thought it was worth all the trouble. What a magnificent hoard! Not the most disgusting, no adult diapers and no dead animals or droves of rats, but the sheer height of those piles! The number of items! Floor to ceiling stacks of little tiny things. I was worried at first that she might have a real dachshund living in that place, little tiny legs trying to run from all the avalanches before he got crushed. Ken cracked me up. For 57 years he was afraid to go against Lia in anything, but with Corey, Robin and twenty other people standing behind him he managed to find enough courage to block her in with his car and then tell her the freezer was going out. That went so well and gave him such a buzz, he was able to okay the clearing out of rest of the house. By the end of the show he was bragging about how these days, he was simply telling her how it was going to be and if she pouted about it she could just get over it. I think they created a monster. Heh. Lia: "Just burn the place down, throw everything away, and put me in a nursing home." Me: "Okay."

Thatnks Suzy, but no. I paid for my TV and I pay a lot of money each month for cable and I draw the line at anything else.

Well I guess I can't watch it anymore. I always used to stream it the morning after, but now it says I need to sign in with my cable password -- fine except it flashes that screen in one half second, so you don't even have time to pick out your server. I went to, "Need help signing in" and they showed me a thirty step procedure ( I'm not kidding) and it doesn't work anyway. 👺

Awww, I'm so happy for her, From tine to time Carolyn would get a little make-up on or just quit making faces and I'd be struck by how beautiful she is.

The more I think about it and read the thoughts here, I think that cutesy shtick is what it all came down to. Some of us were slightly sickened at seeing a grown man hug his knees pout his lips and talk in a baby talk sing song. Others (and almost all of the jury) heard that sing song as a comedian's delivery and found every word out of his mouth to be funny and adorable. We saw it in every episode. Yam Yam making a simple remark and everyone, often including Jeff, laughing as though he was as brilliantly funny as Robin Williams. We saw it last night when the final three walked out after Carson went home -- Yam Yam looked at the jury, and said, "tomorrow we party," and they all roared.

She's such a hoot. If she were a little bit more famous I could picture SNL doing a sketch of, "Jamie at Home," beaming over every little thing that happened and bursting with pride over a burnt roast because she had turned it into a, "Very special treat for the dog." Then they could do one of Carolyn at home; people standing outside her house, deciding to call 911 because they hear her screaming and swearing, only to find out she was just trying to get the fitted sheet over the mattress corners. I can't remember a season when I laughed so much.

I've never really liked how often the winner of Survivor depends on how good they are at bragging about themselves. The jury has spent many long days and nights with these people, they should have a very good idea before the final of who they think was playing the best game. The jury knew how clever Carolyn had been about her idol, they saw her wonderful personality, her gutsiness during challenges, her work getting out Danny and others, and her great, positive attitude through out. Why should she lose so many votes to Yam Yam just because he told a good story about himself? I did like how kind he was to Carson. Honorable mention should be made to Lauren's fabulous hair. It went through mud, water and jungle snags, and always sprang back like a wonderful miracle.