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Thank you. Both have been major assholes throughout, no question there. Pointing out the fact Kail was cheating cannot be denied or pushed to the side especially when the timeline of the story being presented to us is now alerting us to her past indiscretion. Kail can't play dirty and not expect consequences. Do I expect Javi to remain calm and keep his shit together for the kids' sake? Of course I do. But, it must be the shit to know another man was in his bed. You'd have to be a special kind of person to not react especially when your belongings are being put out like yesterday's trash and you are being treated like dirt when you are not the one who broke vows. There is nothing that indicates Javi broke his vows. What Javi and Kail did after the filing of the divorce, as far as sex is concerned, I give no fucks. I do take issue with what is happening and how it is being played out in the presence of the children. It is so wrong on so many levels. I am also not going to pretend or ignore the fact she now has her piece of ass in Javi's home, the same home that she had sex in while her boys were likely in their beds asleep BEFORE she ever filed divorce papers. Now, I am wondering what the case was with the 'miscarriage'. Was she pregnant by her piece of ass? @MissMel I am sorry for what is happening to your son. I loathe any bitch who thinks it is okay for them to assault guys, knowing that poor guy won't hit them back.

Jace's voice should be heard when the opportunity arises in a courtroom, not at lunch with grandma and not with Jenelle's boyfriend, Davey Dave, who is likely guilting him and forcing him to say the right thing. What was it Kail was yelling at Jo about it would have been better if he had been gone for the week? Is she referring to Isaac? Was she implying she had wanted Isaac to be at Jo and Vi's place for the week? Kail can no longer claim to be a good mother. Good mothers, even in the worst of relationships, don't go screwing around while married. They inform their spouse they are no longer happy and want to end the relationship.

Let me see...Karl was sleeping with someone who wasn't her husband prior to filing for divorce. I guess she deserves everything that goes her way due to her indiscretion. Having it play out on camera is the icing on the cake. What was it I once read? These girls should be forced to film because they get paid enough for it? For all the slamming Adam receives for not wanting to film, I think Kail should also be slammed for her refusal to film which is really her trying to keep Javi from bringing her cheating to the forefront. As for her relationship with the married producer? Wow. I am so disgusted with all of this playing out in front of Lincoln and Isaac. Those boys deserve a mother who is healthy-minded, not chasing dick all over town. I am reminded of that Biz Markie song "Just a Friend". Kail, you are busted.

You do a great job finding things! You know how much we appreciate it? Stalker? LOL You are one hot sleuth. When Jenelle buys a home BEFORE Kail. Kail - I gave the girl the benefit of the doubt. I tried to believe her claims when Javi went after her about the texting issue. I went back and forth wondering what was really going on. I am not shocked to know, after reading the Karl thread, how Kail did hide the relationship she was having with the guy Javi was concerned about. Kail cheated on Javi prior to her filing for divorce. It explains why she was so defensive and so angry. She is still defensive and angry going by last night's episode.

Such a contrast. How is it that someone who went under the knife to get rid of excess fat, comes out looking fatter?

Don't bother. They will go in circles with you, repeat themselves to death, and just hate on Javi because he happens to be a guy and Kail cannot do any wrong. She gets passes for all her shit. Just like people in real life, ignore them. It will do you wonders. That whole house in the woods near the lake idea just screams horror.

I'm so old, my cousins Adam and Eve wore nothing.

Thank you, you great sleuth you. With all the freebies Kail gets in exchange from companies, and the other perks, there is no reason for her to not have a house at this stage of her life. For all her ranting about being an independent woman, it took a guy to get her the dream house she always wanted.

She probably hasn't had Leah in a very long time.

After watching a documentary on The Carpenters the other day (showing my age), I came to the realization who it was Tyler reminded me of:

Lipstick on a pig.

I have been one who has posted many times over the seasons the issue of STDs/AIDs/HIV. Drew doesn't even touch upon it. Then again, he is only reading what MTV hands him. MTV loves to claim the girls are helpful in spreading the message about teen pregnancy and unplanned pregnancies. What a fucking joke. If that is the case, how about they post about birth control, STDs, and AIDs on their social media pages along with the other shit they post such as this:

I think it is also important that Javi knows he has Jo to support him. It is one thing if Kail can't stand to be around Javi. It is another for Javi to feel welcome in Jo's home which seems to be the message Jo is sending. Kail may curtail Isaac from being with Javi, but Jo can use his visitation time to ensure Isaac, Lincoln, and Javi can also spend time together.

Some of the comments I screen grabbed last night. There were a lot, I just grabbed these:

Hee hee hee...twins!

'I don't get to share everything about me on Teen Mom...' Well, dipshit, that is because your better half mugs for the cameras and has a tantrum when the camera and crew dare to devote their attention to you. You also sit your fat ass on your couch in every single scene. That is your life.

All of that has been covered. In fact, I posted Kail's driving record that had some real gems. Yes, Kail is putting innocent drivers in danger by being on the road. As for the guys not getting scrutinized, they do. They haven't jumped out of planes, but at least one has been scrutinized for his weight and how that is cutting his life short. The smoking has been touched upon. What I find sad is, how the physical abuse by the females is somewhat downplayed or excuses are given on the internet, especially the minions of the girls on their social media pages.

I know what you mean. I am currently dealing with some children who came from an abusive home. My heart breaks at what they had to endure for years at the hand of their father, who is now in jail. I just know Watson will be loved and cared for by people who are in a healthy relationship. Chelsea doesn't have a mean bone in her body. Watching her sit there eating a peanut butter sandwich with her child was the sweetest moment thus far and beats anything from TMOG. Maci, Amber, Jenelle, Leah, and Kail would buy their kids fast food if they took their kid out to the park. Chelsea makes a home made sandwich. The tenderness between mother and daughter just makes me feel good about the overall love in that home. I don't get that same vibe from the home that houses Isaac, Lincoln, the Triple A's, Jace, The Roll, and now End Table.

Wow. *takes deep breath* @Mkay @Maharincess @CofCinci @ginger90 and to the many other posters here who have gone out of their way to find information, verify information, confirm or deny information, link articles, post tweets, Instagram, Facebook and other social media postings such as Snap Chat (still not sure how that works), sharing screen caps, I thank you very much. I don't have the time to do a lot of searching and frankly, not sure how some of you find the information you do, but it does make for some interesting conversations around here and it sure makes this a wonderful place to come and read when I have the down time. Life is a bitch as it is. With all the other drama going on in the world, this place gives me solace. It is also a place to come and enjoy a good laugh or to vent about the craptastic lives of the people on this show. I know a few of you have medical issues and you are home bound. Thank you for using your time to investigate. I am sure it helps to take your minds off of your personal health issues. Just as I am grateful for those who share their professional opinions many times over on certain topics, I am grateful for our sleuths. Let me end this with two words: public records Kail tweeted earlier about putting on a pair of sweatpants. Stupid Tiny Pic is giving me issues. Can't upload images. You can imagine the responses she received. LOL

I wasn't talking about who is responsible for what behavior. I pointed out Kail herself is responsible for how she decided who is her child's dad. That is no different than Javi spewing he is not Isaac's dad. They both can eat shit because they both did that to Isaac, but it is worse because the child's mother instigated that whole mess for her own benefit. If Kail doesn't change her thuggish and bullying behavior, no matter who she chooses in life, things will continue down this path. Kail has to change within in order for her to have a different outcome.

Who was it that persuaded Javi to push out Isaac's bio dad out of Jo's life and have Isaac call Javi dad? That's right, it was Kail. When it suited Kail, Jo was Isaac's father, and when it suited her needs and diabolical plan (the girl has got plans!) he was Javi's father. Kail spun her web of deceit and took her own child to the cleaners all because she had to get back at Jo for the hurt she was feeling from their doomed relationship. The mother, who is supposed to protect her child at all costs, used her child as a pawn in a deal that ended after a couple of years. When her spouse started to put demands upon her and Isaac's father, suddenly she didn't like it. How dare Javi try and tell her and Jo what HIS rules and expectations were from now on. I wonder where he got that idea from? Kail played with the emotions of all involved, but what is sad and deeply disturbing is the fact this mother played a game that has now backfired and the ultimate victim is her own child.

T.R. Dues found something cute about Leah. I think it was the sex because the girl has nothing else going on.

I can't remember. I do remember she was ordered to take a drug test on the spot. She failed. She was sent to jail where Barb refused to bail her out.

I think she means what is the design that is going on there. At first I thought it was camo style. It looks like flowers now that I got a good look at that photo.