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Leah did brag about his earnings. She forgot that he needed to actually work in order to bring home those earnings. She seemed to think money was just being put in his pocket.

But, we didn't hear Javi's dad actually admit to such a thing. Only Javi stating it was his dad's fault. Apparently Javi is a liar. Javi is a liar about the things he claims about Kail. Why doesn't the same hold about his father? If he is a liar, why should he be believed regarding that remark?

But, did we watch or hear anyone in Javi's family teach and encourage Lincoln to swear? I agree. Kail is the biggest mutherfucker of all.

I sure as hell don't miss Mama Dawn. I am glad they have kept her away from the cameras.

ITA. I would have respected her more if she had told her husband she could no longer keep up the facade of being married to him and it wasn't enough to be married to him for his benefits. The bitch is cold and callous so I really don't expect her to care how anyone feels. Look at how she treats her children. I am of the belief when one is done with any relationship, you owe it to your partner to tell them your feelings have changed. Remove yourself from your current relationship before you even think about starting another especially when children are involved.

Indeed. Nathan seemed to imply all of that when he said words to the effect of "Jenelle went and got pregnant" as if to say the pregnancy ruined whatever chance they had to get back together. Jenelle has a history of returning to the guy even after the worst fall-out. Domestic violence or any violence has not stopped her from going back to Keefuh and the other guys. It was only when she was without a guy did she resort to that behavior. I can't forget Jenelle crying her eyes out when she told Nathan how he had moved on so quickly. It sounded like Jenelle was hoping for a reconciliation. We know they were hooking up as they both mentioned it. I am with those who think Kail would see the dental hygiene career as being beneath her. As her butt has gotten bigger, so has her ego. Not sure which is bigger at this point. Kail had no qualms making a snooty face when she got in Javi's truck as if she wouldn't dare be seen in such a vehicle. Then, she has to let Javi know what a POS vehicle it is in her eyes. She is lucky it was Javi. I can't wait for the guy who will kick her gigantic butt out of his vehicle once he is done with her.

I had a feeling she had the kitchen painted that color. The house was already theirs and she made sure to have it painted before they filmed the episode. I liked the Oklahoma couple in some ways, but the husband just came off as a show-off. He was wanting a home that showed he paid a million dollars for it. He mentioned wanting a home like he did when he was growing up. That is fine, understandable. But to then say he needs his home to look like a million dollar home, just struck me the wrong way. He is more concerned about how others see him. I just watched an episode the other day that my DVR recorded which showed a home selling for $1.1 million dollars. It sure as hell didn't look like a million dollar home. I think that is why the husband had to make sure his home was grand. He doesn't want people to think it didn't look like a million dollar home.

Does UBT have any friends or is he afraid of having them come around Jenelle for fear she will hump them?

Yesterday MTV aired Kail's first episode. She said mentioned something she says a lot in her Twitter posts and other social media pages. It was touched upon here just recently how Kail always posts I don't care. Well, Kail said to her group of friends that no longer exist how it truly bothers her what people think of her. She then said, "I will say I don't care, but I really do." I found her episode extremely depressing only because the very things she slammed her mother for doing, are the very things she is doing now to Isaac. She is upset when she is with Suzi in the car as they are driving to the baby furniture store. The reason being is due to Suzi dating a guy whom she has "only known for a year." Apparently Kail felt her mother was not giving her more attention. Suzi was focused on her boyfriend of one year. Kail is shown with her mother at the Riveras where she has that pouty, long face that she shows from time to time. She complains to her mother how she wants her attention to which Suzi says those infamous words about absence making the heart grow fonder. Kail then cries to the Riveras about Suzi having a boyfriend and how she wants the focus to be on her instead. Janet comforts her. Damn, I sure miss that lady. I seriously had to stop watching because it is playing out that way for Isaac and surely for Lincoln. It was making my heart hurt for those two boys. It was also infuriating because Kail has definitely turned into her mother. The very person she despises.

I finally had a chance to catch the new episode last night. As usual, so much to touch upon. I have noticed several have mentioned on this thread and Kail's thread the idea of her moving away and Jo needing to secure a child visitation order. First of all, Jo and Kail do have a court order for child visitation and child support. What needs to happen is, Jo needs to ask Kail for a modification of their court order. Second, the idea that Kail can just move on a whim, is not as easy as it was the first time around. I think some are forgetting Kail is dealing with two children from two different fathers, one of whom is in the military and who is based in Delaware. Kail demanded she stay put in Delaware due to Javi's military career and of course, to stick it to Jo by keeping Isaac away from him. Things have changed now. She may have been at the mercy of Javi and his attorney who would make it so that she can't leave Delaware for the time being due to Javi's visitation. I am not saying that is the case, merely pointing out Javi and his attorney may have requested Kail stay near Javi and where he is stationed for the time being because it makes it easier for him to have visitation with his child. Kail is not working. Javi is the parent with the career and it was this career that a judge felt it he could give the order for Kail to move to Delaware. It has now come back to bite Kail in her ginormous fake ass. I also don't see Kail leaving anytime soon due to the fact she now has a boyfriend there. They do have one @poeticlicensed. Remember when Kail and Jo were going to court during the time when she pulled a fast one by moving to Delaware against the orders of the judge and bought that home with Javi? Remember how she demanded the court order spelled out there wouldn't be any other people at the drop-offs, only her and Jo? But, when she married Javi, that all changed. At this point, it seems all the things in the court order are not being followed. I can see why Vee is worried. Kail can change the order anytime she wants, as she sees fit, as we have seen over the seasons. I have to say it. Gracie and Adderall are brats. I know they are kids and I have to remind myself of that fact, but damn! They irritate the hell out of me when I see them behave the way they do. Gracie would not have had that smile and smirk on her face very long if she was my child and I told her to get off the swing. Leah really pissed me off with how she didn't tell Cory exactly what the doctor told her. He never said Ali is getting stronger. He said it is quite normal for a child whose brain is maturing and growing, like Ali's, for the signals in the brain to work better with sending signals to the muscles which gives the child some strength. He did make it clear it is only temporary without actually saying the word temporary. Leah is not good with comprehension, that is one major problem. She also chooses to not hear what she does not want to hear. Whatever is right. Yesterday MTV aired Kail's first episode. My DVR recorded it. She sure as hell doesn't have the same friends. I know I shouldn't, but I had some sympathy for Nathan. It is clear he is trying to show some maturity by being the better person and wanting a healthy relationship with Jenelle. But, UBT and Jenelle have to stomp all over that like it is a pile of shit. When Nathan mentioned having had a 1 percent chance of wanting to work things out with Jenelle, it just solidified what I thought about him - he did want to work things out with Jenelle. No matter what she said, Jenelle wanted to get back with Nathan, too. They just had a fucked up way of showing it. UBT is the transitional boyfriend that Roseanne Conner told Dan about when detailing why Becky's new boyfriend was history. Sadly, Jenelle got knocked up by this guy as well and he will surely be her downfall.

They don't know beforehand who will win. Perhaps they are still grieving? Maybe they are not ready to be out in the public only to be bombarded with questions about him? Jennifer Lopez had a different color face than the rest of her body. Cannot stand her.

Okay, I need to see a side by side photo with a sea hag and Leah on the visual thread STAT! LOL

I very much believe this is quite the norm at Leah's house. For someone who has nothing else going on, there is no excuse for this behavior. I don't think a good meal has been served since Germy cooked up those BLTs when he slapped Leah with the bacon. Let's not forget the lunch meals from the gas station. To reiterate my comment, this is the norm, and it is fucking sad. I am sure many of us can relate to having had quite a busy day when we were tending to little ones. For many of us there was work, school, whatever we had going on in our lives. Running to the local fast food place, grabbing a pizza to take home, serving left-overs, pouring out a can of pasta from good ol' Chef Boy-Ardee with some slices of bread, quickly defrosting something from the freezer and heating up a can of corn as a side, or buying frozen food items such as corn dogs or something similar. We can all relate. It was probably a one day out of the week where we resorted to doing such things. Maybe twice a week. But, as you pointed out ghoulina, it is always happening with Leah, a person who does not work!! Who can forget the cold smores she served her kids? The kids' chocolate wasn't even melted! It was hard. If you cannot even heat up a can of soup or melt the chocolate for smores, you are a major fuck-up. Leah's laziness goes into other territory as well. Her house is unkempt. She cannot bother to do the laundry. She has clothes a mile high in her garage. She has the jalopy mobile filled with trash, boxes and junk.

I agree with this. Jenelle does not see a commitment until a child is brought into the mix. Her need to be loved is more important than anything else. It is a sad situation when any person feels that it is not "forever" until a diamond ring and sometimes a wedding are not part of the mix. That child is forever regardless if the relationship isn't. These numbskulls have no issue bringing a child into the world, not caring if the relationship will last or being certain it will last. Somehow having a ring makes it certain? Jesus help these people.

Here is the screen grab of Leah with the lid of the can near her right hand which shows she had just opened the can and then poured the contents out. The big spoon is for the noodle soup she served the other girls. Ali got the cold Chunky Soup. Is that a soda bottle behind Leah there?

DYING HERE!!!!!LOL Not only that, she posted "Someone loves me" in that roses photo. Really, Kail? Love already? Isn't that how quickly you jumped into your relationship with Javi and Jordan?

Farrah pregnant? Don't think so. Bwahaha That Farrah photo reminds me of what Farrah once looked like. Sad. I see Sophia in that photo. So much resemblance.

Congratulations Trace! Be proud of the hard work it took to get you there and the strides you have made. This special was boring. Anything Maci-related is always boring. This special did Ryan no favors. It just conjures up the same question...what the hell is going on with him?

Jesus has his hands full with Jenelle's kids.

This right here^^^ Leah has no cares about her own health or the health of her child. I've seen dogs eat better than her children. Ali has MS and needs to be eating nutritious meals. She is not put in her wheelchair, no helmet in sight, and she is given the green light to dictate whether she will wear a life jacket in a pool when she can barely swim. Damn these idiots.

^^^^From the linked article. Of course, the money! Is that all Kail cares about because I sure know she didn't do the show to learn co-parenting skills. Hey assholes, you know what would work? If you both put your money into real, private therapy and learn how to co-parent and be respectful people to one another, not go on some Z-list celebrity reality show.

If you watch the scene, you clearly hear Leah pulling the pull tab off the can as the scene opens up showing her home. Then, you can see the top of the can next to Leah's right hand. No, Leah did not cook that soup. It showcases the lazy nature of Leah again. We are not talking about a single mother working her ass off at two jobs, going to school, and doing it all on her own, and coming home tired and needing to feed her children, although plenty of single parents would at least heat the canned soup regardless if they are tired from a long day. Leah's job is a SAHM. Heat the fucking soup!

Whether she knew about the Jenelle and Dave relationship has no bearing on her being abused by David. David doesn't have to publicly assault Jenelle to be an abuser. DV happens far too often behind closed doors. Even Nathan didn't assault Jenelle on camera, but the MTV crew were privy to hearing something going on inside Jenelle's house to the point they feared for her safety and called 911. Nathan has now been accused three times of DV by Jenelle and his former girlfriend. There are varying kinds of abusers. There is no typical abuser. In public he or she may appear to be caring to their partner and family and may only be abusive when others are not there to witness the abuse. It is not always physical. Someone can be threatening and intimidating without laying a finger on their victim. What David is exhibiting, IMO, is intimidation and control. He is slowly taking his victim away from her friends and family. He is trying to take over the role of father for a child who already has a father [Kaiser]. He is trying to inhibit Jenelle from having contact with Nathan. He puts himself there front and center in Jenelle's life, not as a protector, but as a controlling asshole. He will determine how many kids they have. He will decide where they will live. He will tell Jenelle when she can talk to her mother and exactly what she can say. He was clearly behind the idea of Jace being given his last name. It is all about power. David is devious. I see him using a pattern of behavior to establish and maintain coercive control over Jenelle. I see him possibly using looks, actions or gestures to make Jenelle afraid. The belittling, degrading and name-calling he does to Jace and Kaiser, who happen to be children, is a huge red flag of his mentally abusive behavior. If he does that to children, who is anyone else? David is an emotional and mental abuser, that is just as bad as a physical abuser. Don't look at his personality. Look at the behaviors and actions he has committed thus far and his prior criminal behavior.

Her teeth haven't been looking good for a while now. Whoa! That photo is not flattering at all. Harsh-looking. Remember Witchy Poo from H.R. Puff N Stuff? That is who she looks like in many of her photos. No wonder she deleted it. It is ugly! Mkay I can't tell you enough how much I appreciate your sleuth work. : )

Cash Out Kail??? Bwahahahaha it sounds like we know what it is he gets from Kail. Kail has turned into Amber 2.0