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I agree with this 100%. The way this show started--and I think the way that this show will work--is a balance between a Wesen of the Week and Nick adjusting to life and relationships as a Grimm, with possibly ONE long-term, multi-episode story arc happening at the same time. Lately, this show has just become a soap opera and they need to clean that up in order to get back to what works.

I really like Claire Coffee as an actress (and, of screen, she seems like a hoot), but it is time for Adalind to go. I can't see anyway the writer's can sustain her character without going even deeper into the the pit of ridiculousness. I just hope that the producers of some other show give Ms. Coffee an offer she can't refuse. I like the idea of a long-term villain, but I don't relish the thought of an indefinite or permanent villain.

Taken from the "Trial by Fire" ep thread: The whole thing just reeks of fermented crap. Here are the possibilities I've come up with: 1 - Adalind is pregnant with Nick and Juliette's baby from when she had switcheroo sex as Juliette with him (although one would think she would be significantly pregnant by now if that were the case) 2 - Adalind is pregnant with her and Nick's baby from the above switcheroo sex session (again, she would probably be like 8 months pregnant now) 3 - Juliette is pregnant with Adalind and Nick's baby from her switcheroo sex session as Adalind 4 - Diana's "ghost twin" is emerging 5 - Henrietta decides that Nick can cure Juliette by having switcheroo sex with Adalind, resulting in a child 6 - The previously unknown Wesen Stockalatus will show up and start distributing babies 7 - The quoted scenario. NONE of these are good options. I'm hoping that there is some sort of bizarre red herring in that preview because, if not, I fear Adalind's baby may turn out to be a shark.

I'm going to post a reply to this in the Spoiler thread....

Here's another wish list item: Get an entirely new writing staff.

Oh Lord..... In a post on another thread, I mentioned the Cinderella episode from season 1 and how it was truly crappy. Well, this one gave that episode a run for its money (and ) Here are my positives for this episode: I think the people of Portland can rest a little easier knowing that the Grimm has a Wu. I did not expect Lizard Guy to be a double agent. I'm rarely surprised by this show lately, so I appreciated that. And, uh, that's it. Other random thoughts: I did not enjoy the Wesen of the Week story line at all. For one, it just seemed like they wanted some filler to take up about 45 minutes before the #BIESTFIGHT and decided to bring back Vulcanalis. Under normal circumstances, I would have been, well, offended at the super soakers, but they really fit right in here. That, folks, is not a good thing. They were also the most memorable thing about this story line. That, folks, is an even worse thing. However, my husband was convinced that FlameBoy was played by Denis Leary. I don't know what prison Orson was in, but it most certainly was not Oregon State Penitentiary. I'm torn about Orson going back to prison. On one hand, I felt sorry for him. On the other, if they had somehow gotten him out, he would have become yet another member of the Scooby gang. We don't need anymore of those, we have Wu. Okay, the little scuff up at Nick and Juliet's house. I know everyone was waiting for it, but it was predictable and cartoonish. I felt like I was watching a video game. And, here's a question...how is that house even still standing? I think that only Wu should be allowed to read aloud from the super special books. Anyone else--Nick, Monroe, Hank--sounds like a 2nd grader as they read--trying to sound out the words as they run their fingers along the text. Wu is the only person who sounds like he's finished elementary school. Speaking of the books, the 64 (or whatever) AD text is the one that finally made me call BS. There is no way that a text that old would survive in that condition. I'm geeking out here--I'm a book AND history lover--I can suspend my disbelief for a great many things for this show, but that apparently was a step too far. Juliet's reveal to Nick was, well, anti-climactic and expected. I'm glad it's finally done, but I'm not satisfied with it. I think I would have actually liked it more if Adalind ran out of the house after getting her tushy kicked, gone to Nick with a great big, "GUESS WHAT!" Here's the thing, I really love Grimm, but I'm starting to be really worried about its current path. I feel like the writers are going on a trip without a destination or a road map and it is just getting more and more dire. Right now, I'm just hoping my blossoming Wu love is enough to keep me tuned in.

That would be interesting but if they did it (and it seems reasonable that it could happen) it would have to happen towards the end of the series. I personally would like to see them tie up some loose ends. It's fine to have some longer-term story lines, but starting a story line and then just dropping it gets old quickly. Here are some things I wish they would clear up, bring back, and/or end. The Reapers. Remember, back in Season 1, where it was said that "they" were just going to keep on sending Reapers to kill Nick and then....we never heard from them again? The coins of Zakynthos. Last we heard, Kelly "hid" them somewhere (in Croatia? Slovenia?) and is now occupied raising Diana. What the heck was going on between Adalind and Nick after she had de-Grimmed him. Remember when she started seeing through his eyes and him through hers? And then, well, they just dropped that? This one they could probably work back in and resolve by explaining how Juliette became a hexenbiest. This one may very well be resolved soon, but what about Renard's spontaneous bleeding? It happened and then it was back to business as usual. I'm sorry, but if blood started spurting out of me, I'd be at least a little freaked out. What about all that nefarious after hours stuff Renard was involved in during Season 1 (the cage fighting, for example). Did he give that up when he basically became Nick's Fairy Godfather? What about Nick's non-Grimm uncle? I know it is a teeny, tiny plot point, but I'd love to meet this guy--even if he just wanders into town and realizes his nephew is as weird and unbalanced as his sisters were. Other things I'd like to see: I think I've said this before, but I'd really like to see them get back to basing their Wesen of the Week storylines on fairy tales. I'm not talking about every week, but at least a couple of times a season. As for running out of fairy tales, I don't see any harm in re-using a story and telling it from a different viewpoint. Cinderella, for example. When Grimm did it at the end of Season 1, it resulted in a truly crappy episode. Since there are multiple versions of Cinderella in the Grimm tales (and in other fairy tale collections...let's just say that girl got around in the Fairy Tale world....), why not address it again? Speaking of fairy tales, I'd love to see them take on The Snow Queen. That ought to give OUaT a run for its money (and, yes, I'm writing this as my daughter watches Frozen....again....) Portland is known for its brew fests...they really need to feature one. You know, just because.... Yes, I'm a local, but I'd like more Portland-ness again. The first season was almost a love letter to the city and I really miss that. I want to see some Evil Grimms. They can't all be as "nice" as Nick and I'd like to see him come face to face with the legacy of being a Grimm. Let's face it, the other Grimms on this show have been a young naive (ish) woman, a dying old man, and Kelly. Kelly is a bit fierce, but I'd still like Nick to see that being a Grimm doesn't make him a good guy.....

I can see that happening...temporarily. I don't think there is any way the writers could carry off both Nick and Juliette on the show without them ultimately together. If something were to happen and Bitsie Tulloch were to leave the show, I can't believe that Nick would be playing the batchelor for too long. This isn't really a romantic thing, but I do agree that Nick needs someone (other than Hank and Wu) who can anchor him. But, no, I will repeat what I said before. I would be shocked if the writers permanently break up Nick and Juliette.

I would be shocked beyond belief if they broke up Nick and Juliette--the only reason I would see that happen is is Bitsie Tulloch decided to leave the show. I still hold to my crazy theory above, but I bet it will come down to either Nick accepting Juliette as a Hexenbiest or Juliette being de-hexed.

Okay, here's my half-baked, crackpot theory on the Juliette Hexenbiest. I don't buy that she is uncurable at all. I can buy that Nick's blood can't cure her, but I don't even think it is that. I think that Renard and Henrietta are trying to enlist her into...something. When Juliette woged for him, he didn't offer her any sort of advice whatsoever. It wasn't until the next day that he said she should see Henrietta--and at the time he had lunch with Juliette, he hadn't even yet spoken to Henrietta. By the time Juliette finally meets with her, Henrietta had already spoken to Sean and told of the situation Then, Henrietta jumps immediately to the "get used to it, we can't fix you" after she sees how powerful Juliette is. Who knows, maybe she wants Juliette to join her coven or something. When the series started, Renard was definitely on the dark side of gray and now he's almost a good guy. But there are a number of signs that the writers might be trying to move him back into the gray--his noncommittal conversation with Viktor, his undercover lizard guy, sending said lizard guy to find Kelly. Renard is also a little too willing to work with Monroe and Rosalee and was strangely okay with Wu in the know. It could be that he's trying to build some kind of Grimm/Wessen posse to do his bidding, and a super-powerful hexenbiest would be a valuable addition. My guess is that, at some point down the road, something is going to shake up the Nick and Sean relationship and I can think of few things more volatile than Nick finding out that Sean is trying to keep Juliette as a hexenbiest and use her for his own means. Call me crazy, but there you go....

I just re-watched this episode with my husband and I didn't notice this the first time I watched it, but when the Manticore killed the pimp, that was quite possible the cheesiest death ever.

Actually, I don't think her role is quite that big. From what I understand it's definitely a supporting role (IMDB has an interesting way of listing casts, so you can't go by that). That being said, though, she does has 3 movies coming out--which is pretty impressive for someone who has had a rather limited role in her TV show.

Okay, so all this talk of Adalind being bought brings up a big plot hole for me. Did TPTB forget that she sold her baby in return for her powers? Obviously, she renegged on that contract....but the contract was binding (and considering her "signature," I don't doubt that). So, um, the contract holders--which ultimately were supposed to be the royals--don't have the baby..so why does Adalind have her powers?

We don't actually know that. I mean, we don't see every minute of anyone's life on this show. If you are going on how many times the show has shown or acknowledged hanky panky, we have the switcheroo sex involving Adalind, when they got back together at the end of Season 2, and a bit of innuendo in season 1 and that's it--I think we all can agree that this couple is a little more hot and heavy than that. Personally, I don't think Juliette is pregnant but, if we go down that bunny trail, I'll admit that it is logistically possible. There was a period of indeterminate time when Juliette was having symptoms but had not woged, during which I'm sure she and Nick were intimate. So, mathematically possible, but I still think that is a cliff too far, even for the current crop of writers. And, remember that Adalind did NOT have powers while she was pregnant--although it was clear the hexenfetus did. It wasn't until she gave birth that she was once again a Hexenbiest (and it doesn't look like she's anymore powerful as a hexenbiest than she was before Nick de-Hexed her). However, I still cry BS with Henrietta's "this is who you are now" crap. This show likes the Damsel in distress too much to keep that up.

Okay, I'm kind of glad that Nick and Juliette don't have a pet--I love animals and, let's face it, no dog or cat is going to survive half the crap that goes on in that house. I don't really need to deal with dying animals on top of everything else. Also, Monroe once made a comment about blutbads and house pets not getting along because the former had a tendency to eat the latter.

Well, that was definitely a fast moving episode and there were a number of things I liked about it: - I think my prediction about Wu actually being the brains of the group is coming to fruition. He also pretty much made any trip to the magic trailer unnecessary. - There were definite hints that the Wessen Council is not the agent of good that Rosalee thinks it is. I think we might see more of that in coming episodes. - Even though they are chest deep in keeping secrets (AGAIN), the writers have been doing more of actually showing Nick and Juliette as a couple, which is something they should have been doing since episode 1. - Henry! - The promo for the next episode looks thrilling. - I'm thinking Henrietta will be a much more malevolent force than anyone expects. She hopped very quickly to the"there's nothing you can do and let me teach you how to be a super hexenbiest" to Juliette. What I didn't like: - Rosalee is not growing her bangs out - Seriously, did the writers just forget about the Blood of a Grimm? This was not some little fact that flitted through one episode--it was a major plot point that they've brought up several times since it actually happened. I have a hard time believing that Juliette doesn't know about it, but we KNOW Renard knows and Henrietta is supposed to be some super-hexen, so she has to know...and no one has even mentioned it, even to prove that it won't work in Juliette's case? - Juliette was a great kick-ass tonight and I am really, really, really looking forward to the biestfight next week, but I'm pretty sure I'll be done with Juliette has a hexenbiest after that. I think it is just one element too much in this stew of Grimm and, in the long run, it will be a detriment to the show (plus, I really can't believe the writers would pass up a chance for Nick to "save" Juliette once again). - Hmm, Renard seems to have gotten over his mysterious stigmata pretty quickly. The last episode ended with that in such a climactic way and then it isn't even mentioned this week? - As much as I'm liking Wu right now, my sense that Hank's days may be numbered is growing. Really, what is Hank's purpose in the Grimmerverse right now? Anything he can do, Wu does better....

I can't remember how they find out he's a zauberbiest, but they do know. THere is a scene where Nick, Hank, Monroe, and Rosalee are all having dinner at Monroe's house and Nick says the captain is a hexenbiest and Rosalee corrects him and says he's actually a zauberbiest. After all this, at the beginning of season 3, Renard woges in front of Hank and Monroe to fight Zombie Nick.

Just saw that NBC renewed Grimm for another season!

Even if Juliette doesn't know--which I highly doubt--we know that Renard DOES know. He was there when Adalind told her mother what happened after Nick dehexed her. It did appear from the episode that Renard is genuine in trying to find someway to "cure" Juliette, although can we ever be sure with Renard? I'm fine with there being reasons why Nick's (or any Grimm's) blood won't work for Juliette. However, the writers are pulling the rug out from under themselves if they don't acknowledge information that they themselves have already put out there as a major plot point.

True, but how many times has Nick slept with a hexenbiest? Once (I don't think Juliette as Adalind count as Juliette was not a hexenbiest....yet). And what happened? Still, I totally see your point...there's no way I'd push that out of my bed.... It still does drive me crazy that the whole blood of Grimm has not come up--there's no way Juliette did not know how Nick de-biested Adalind and, even so, Renard knows. If there is some reason why the blood of a Grimm won't work, fine...but you need to start at square one.

She hasn't had a baby yet...she's due in May, and filming should be wrapped by then. Still, they somehow have to conceal her pregnancy until then....

Yes, Adalind was the first woge Nick saw in the first episode and Adalind did look, afterwards, if she were freaked out about it. However, as I said further upthread, I tend to give shows on a pass on things that happen only in the pilot and are contradicted farther down the road. But, to be fair, how many hexenbiests has Nick seen in woge? Adalind and....that's it. Well, he's seen Sean as a zauberbiest, I think, too--but that was after it was established that Sean knew Nick was a Grimm (and Nick knew that Sean knew). While there have been other hexenbiests on the show--Adalind's co-workers and Sean's mother, Nick never saw them in woge. So, if/when he sees Juliette in woge, it should be unsettling to say the least.

You know, I was a little worries about adding Wu into the mix, but I think it will be an interesting development. So far, not just since he's been told but really throughout the series, he's shown that he's one of the more intelligent characters. Yes, Monroe and Rosalee have a lot of Wessen knowledge, and Nick has his books. But what does Nick really doesn't do anything with what he learns from his books and Monrosalee, he just sort of follows the expected path. Wu, on the other hand, is someone who figures things out. He can take data and manipulate it (I'm thinking especially of the Rumplestiltskin/Gamer episode, which I think is probably the best Wessen of the Week storylines so far) and, as we saw at the end of Tribunal, he's willing to put the hours in to study and learn. I think this will make Wu a very important part of the team (although I fear it may cause Hank to be crowded out).

Okay, here is a random question from this episode.... Why is Renard wearing, if not a wedding ring, a gold band on his left ring finger? It may have been there forever, but a friend mentioned that she had noticed it in this episode and I just rewatched it and, yes, he's wearing it.

Quote: But I look forward to the look on his face when he sees her woge, and I wonder if we'll see what his eyes look like from her POV when she's in woge. We've never seen his eyes yet, have we? But do we know that she will see that? Other than the very first time we saw Adalind the very first episode of the show, she was never the least bit bothered by seeing Nick as a Grimm (and I personally tend to give shows a pass on things that happen or are said ONLY in the first episode). I have a theory--probably a crazy one--that hexen- and zauberbiests aren't wessen, they're something else. Possibly something more akin to, dare I say it, a Grimm. They are completely unlike other Wessen with their kinetic powers and dependence on spells and they can be made and unmade, which is something that can't happen to any other kind of Wessen.