OtterMommy

Yes, M&R mentioned several times that they were having a spring wedding, so there is no getting around that. And, besides the Adalind/Nick baby debacle, the timeline works. They get married in the spring, spend the summer and fall trying to re-Grimm Nick, deal with the fruitcake Christmas demons, try to have their honeymoon after Christmas (when, let's face it, everyone wants to leave the Oregon rain), end up in all the tribunal mess, finally get to have their honeymoon, and now..well, I'd say that it would be a hard argument to go for January with all that--February would be more like it. I can't remember when Claire Coffee announced her pregnancy, but I want to say it was in about November? . It sort of seems to me that the writers completely forgot the timeline they had created and thought (hoped?) that the audience did, too.

In a show that, let's face it, doesn't make sense, the only one of these I could buy would be this one. After all, they just dropped the double heartbeat line (as they drop so many storylines) and could easily bring it up here and, frankly, Diana have some sort of sleeper twin who shows up a year later is at least more palatable than a Nick/Adalind(/Juliette) baby to me.

I agree that Grimm time is different than real time. However, Adalind and Nick had their encounter the day of Monroe and Rosalee's wedding, which we know--because M&R said it in the show--that was in the Spring. Since then, we've had a Christmas episode, so we know that, in the Grimm World, it is at least January. Let's say that the wedding was in May or June, which would make Adalind 6 or 7 months pregnant...in Grimm time.

Um, actually, you can be fertile right after giving birth, especially if you aren't nursing. The resulting phenomena are known as Irish Twins (no offense to those of Irish descent here...I didn't make up the term). Still, is doesn't explain why it has taken anywhere from 7 months to a year for this pregnancy to actually happen. Dear showrunners: believe it or not, we can do math.

I can't say that I'm waiting with bated breath for a blutbad-fuchsbau baby, but I don't think it would bother me if they went this way. Babies don't ALWAYS equal baby drama and, in the case of Monroe and Rosalee, it would seem like a natural next step. Plus, they don't do a lot of "how wesen exist in a non-wesen world," but when they do, it works with M&R and I think a baby might give them more opportunities for that.

Oh, lord, yes...because they have certainly made some, um, interesting ones!

I will go back to my theory, which is that Hexen- and Zauberbiests are not Wesen. The only time either one has had a "reaction" to Nick was when Adalind woged in the pilot and even that was far less terrifying than how Wesen usually react. And, as far as we know, no other Wesen can be made or unmade. Again, just my theory. She "half-woged" when she blew the dude's car up.

I think the accordion thing, in general, was meant as a distraction. The foot chopper played the music away from the victim, so if someone heard it, they went towards the according and away from the foot chopping. As for why Nick's zombie powers didn't kick in...who knows. That whole scene just seemed really off to me.

I wonder if TPTB reads boards like this. This quote is the 3rd, I think, on this thread alone and there are MANY, MANY other such comments on other boards. You know who reads and participates in these boards? Viewers who at least invested enough in the show to discuss it with others. Logically, these viewers would be harder to lose than your average, tune-in-once-a-week viewer. My guess, based on nothing but whatever, is for every participant on one of these boards who tunes out, there are at least 25 other viewers who do not participate who will do the same thing. Look, the possibility of the Adalind-Nick baby has been out there for a long time, way before the promo for this episode went up 5 weeks ago. It started when Adalind became Juliette and slept with Nick and no one liked it then and no one likes it now. And it is precisely the sort of thing that will lead viewers to turn to another channel. From what I've read, the two things people universally don't like in this show are the Adalind baby drama and the royals. So, they introduce ANOTHER baby drama and This is not a soap opera--it isn't even a "relationship show," so why are they doing this crap? I get the feeling that the writers room is filled with people who think they are geniuses and that the world will love every cliche story line they come up with. Sorry, but no...

I actually thought his reactions were understandable. Yes, he pulled a gun on Juliette, but he thought it was Adalind (which, given everything that has happened, is a reasonable assumption). And yes, he walked out...but he had a lot to process. To be fair, I think seeing your partner become a hexenbiest is a heck of a lot different from hearing your partner tell you he's a Grimm--and let us not forget that Juliette didn't take things too well when Nick told her everything (at least until she slipped into a coma). As for turning away from Juliette when she woged...did she honestly think he would kiss her lipless face? That whole scene was just....weird and out of character for Juliette (well, pretty much this entire episode was out of character for her).

Posting before I read all the replies, but I wanted to vomit my thoughts out while they were still fresh. So, at the very last moment of the very last scene something strange happened...Adalind and I were of one mind...."NOOOOO!" I had prayed that would be a red herring but, no, the writers decided to go the cheap and, let's face it, predictable way and bring in MORE baby drama to a character whose baby drama EVERYONE is already sick of. What the hell???? (And don't even get me started on the promo). Babies can be funny in comedies and dramatic in soap operas, but they really don't have a place in a procedural (granted it is a procedural with supernatural elements). Plus, Adalind should be about 10 months pregnant now.... Another thing I noticed, both good and bad, was the background music. I had watched the sneak peak of Nick and Juliette which, in the peak, did not have any background music. I already thought it was a good scene but the music really lifted it. That was the good. The bad...the fight scene between Nick and the foot chopper. There was just something oddly off about it and all I can think of was that they had put the wrong music to the wrong scene. I mean, the action looked find, but the scene just didn't come together. Adalind and Renard. Adalind, you are an insult to dumb blondes. Renard, you are like that....but I can't think of a metaphor that fits you. Odd moment....when the teenage boy was chopped, I thought someone (I can't remember if it was his girlfriend, the foot chopper, or the mom) called him Pat. And I thought, "Pat the Bunny? That's just sad." Then I found out his name was Peter--as in, Peter Rabbit and that is so, so much not better. Also, there was quite a bit in the 2nd promo that didn't make it into this episode, so it will be interesting to see how that unfolds. As for the good. Well, they finally MENTIONED the whole blood of a Grimm that they just seemed to ignore for the past 5 or so episodes. I don't buy Henrietta's claims that it won't work and I think that might be how we get Kelly and/or Trubel back into the picture. Finally, here is what I thought was the best thing of the night....David Giuntoli's acting. I thought he was a very weak actor when the series began (but one heck of a beautiful man, so I didn't care that much), but he really knocked it out of the park tonight. He also seems to have aged 10 years in the last 4--even his voice is different--but, hey, he age'd well! Bitsie Tulloch (who, I'll admit, I spend a lot of time defending) was not as good as she could have been. Yeah, her role was strangely written, but she went from a basically nice person to a bitch overnight and I really feel that, as an actress, she could have gone a different way, even with the lines she was given. Unfortunately, though, I think that the show may have ended in a flamboyant leap over a large and vicious salt-water creature. I have to admit that when I saw the title of this episode and the date it was airing, I was really hoping for Leprechauns. Oh well, I guess the Easter bunny will work.... The dumbest villain on TV, that's who.

No, I think that is the film crew. I think my heart would shatter if Bud dies. I wouldn't call him a major character--although he's probably the only character that they consistently use appropriately--but he's just too sweet.

Claire Coffee posted some sort of spoiler-ish instagrams (https://instagram.com/clairecoffee/) . One was during filming and it was obviously at a funeral (they were putting a coffin in a grave). The second was taken during a break in shooting and it had Bree Turner and Sasha Roiz eating granola (cuz, you know...it's Portland). I don't think the granola is especially notable....BUT if this is around the supposed death, I guess we can assume that Rosalee, Renard, and Adalind are not in the coffin... On a side note, Claire Coffee's instagram is rather entertaining (as is Sasha Roiz's), if you're into that kind of thing...

Actually, judging from the second sneak peak, it sounds like a Bunny Wesen. Still cruel but at least it wasn't an actual fluffy little bunny.

I would love if Kelly hid the baby somewhere never to be found. That plot has been a mess since Adalind told Renard he could use her to "take the edge off" his obsession with Juliette. I feel dirty just typing that. I will say this...I am NOT happy about hearing that they are cutting a foot off a live rabbit. You can do whatever you want to Wesen, but please leave the actual animals alone!

http://community.ew.com/2015/03/18/david-giuntoli-grimm-interview/ Sounds good...but....I can't help thinking they may be swimming in shark infested waters.

http://www.spoilertv.com/2015/02/grimm-episode-414-bad-luck-promo.html New (and intriguing) promo

I guess I'm alone here on this, but I don't necessarily find Juliette boring. There have been times when, yes, she's dull as dishwater, but that is almost always because of the writing (I should probably pay closer attention to who is writing each episode). I think, on the whole, the writers just don't know what to do with her and they have really only come up with two ideas: 1 - Give her a year with amnesia, topped with a dose of bizarre obsession and 2 - Turn her into a witch. Frankly, I hope they reverse #2 because I don't have much confidence in the writers at this point and I think it will quickly spin out of their control. On the flip side, however, there have been times when Juliette was interesting and was well-utilized as sort of a grounding rod for Nick. Unfortunately, these times have been few and far between. As for Bitsie Tulloch, I've seen her do quite well in other things, so I know she can act. I just think she's been given crap on Grimm. I did see that they recently promoted two people to staff writers, at least one of whom is a woman. I could be wrong, but I don't think there were, before that, any women on the writing staff and that could be a problem. I mean, even Rosalee was dull if she wasn't actively trying to save the Wesen world. Okay, just to correct myself there...I went to the IMDB page it looks like there have been 7 female writers on the staff, but only one wrote more than 3 episodes and most of those women were actually "assistant" writers.

I'm with you on this. They say that happiness doesn't make for good TV, which I would agree with if this were a different kind of show--something like, say, Parenthood. But this is about a guy who can see monsters, not about a guy and his on-again, off-again girlfriend. I'm not saying that Juliette is superfluous and I think there have been and are ways to incorporate her more fully into the story without disrupting the what this show essentially is--or, at least, what it once was. If it were up to me (and, let's face it, it isn't...) I'd clean up this Nick and Juliette thing as quickly as possible and get back to the format that works for them, a Wesen of the Week and a slow-moving, longer-term arc that can continue behind the main weekly plot.

An unusually fun link...some spoilers here, probably nothing that hasn't been mentioned before, but I thought this was the best forum for this. The stuff about the cast is pretty interesting (and there may possibly one mild hint about who might meet their maker this season, if I'm reading this right). I especially loved this quote from Sasha Roiz: "Don't bring logic into this," Roiz jokes. "Otherwise, the whole thing will unravel." http://www.oregonlive.com/movies/2015/03/grimm_on_the_set_in_portland_t.html

Those 2 spoilers I might take with a grain of salt because the cast just got their scripts for 420 a few days ago (and, as far as I can know, have not yet received the 421 and 422 scripts) so the cast would only have been able to make guesses on what was happening to the characters when those articles came out..

It almost sounds like they are trying to remake the less desirable parts of the 2nd season....Juliette and Renard, breaking up Juliette and Nick, introducing more Royals, another Adalind baby. Have they completely run out of ideas that they have to go back to some of their worst ones in the past?

The spoiler hints just keep getting worse and worse: http://tvline.com/2015/03/10/empire-season-2-spoilers-lucious-cookie/ If these hints they've been putting out lead to what they sound like they might leading to (which, to be fair, may not,..) then this will be the most rapid descent down the toilet bowl I've ever seen in a show.

I don't think they'd kill off Trubel. I'm not a fan of the character, mostly because I don't feel that she fits into the show, but I just can't see them killing of an ingenue-ish character. Kelly, however, might be a different story. She really hasn't brought anything other than trouble to Nick--first she lets him think she is dead for 18 years, then she shows up and gets him thrown into the shadow of suspicion of four murders (the two FBI agents, the mauvais dentes, and Adalind's mother), then when she shows up again, she brings ADALIND and involves everyone in what is essentially a kidnapping plot that leads to swticheroo sex, powers being taken away, powers endowed, and general chaos. She's been nothing but a liability to Nick. She is not, however, a "major" character, so I don't think she's the one who is going meet their maker. The way I figure it: SAFE - Nick, Monroe, Rosalee PROBABLY SAFE - Renard and Juliette QUESTIONABLE - Wu LIKELY - Adalind or Hank But, hey, we'll have to see where the chips fall....

I agree completely. This show is already what I consider "dark" so the idea of it going darker makes me very uneasy. I suppose there could be ways to do it, if they stayed within the previously established boundaries of characters and storylines. For example, I could see it going darker if something happened to Hank or Juliette (let's face it, it would probably be Hank), likely at the hands of Adalind, and Nick went after her. That would make sense in terms of the show that has already been created. However, Juliette--who has never been shown to have a mean bone in her body--suddenly turned on Nick and went on a rampage? That may lead me to turn off this show for good. And, speaking of darker, one thing just as bad--and where I am afraid it is going--is soapy. I suppose we'll find out next week what the situation of Adalind's next baby really is, but I really hope that preview was one heck of a red herring. Because Adalind or Juliette pregnant with a baby of some sort of 3 way parentage is just too, too much...even for this show of people morphing into monsters.