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I actually never had the conversation with the sister, just with my friend. I gave this creep two days to tell her (sister) that he was cheating on her, instead of doing that he badmouthed me. My friend heard through her sister that I was trying to hit on him so she came and asked me about it, that is how I found out that he was flipping the story on me. I spoke to my friend and told her what really happened and she told her sister, but her sister was too blind to accept that and believed her BF and married him. She lated divorced him because one of his mistress got pregnant and made a scene at his job (where she also works) I am glad that my friend knew me enough to know there was more to the story he was telling and came and asked me directly. She got tons of shit from her family though, they wanted her to stop being my friend and her sister basically told her she had to stay away from me. I understood why she had to stay away, she still would go out and would meet away from the neighborhood. When the sister (after divorce) asked me why I never told her directly it surprised me because I knew my friend told her, the sister said that it would had been different if I told her directly but I know it wouldn't had been, she would had believed him no matter what, wedding plans were on its way and she wanted the wedding and the fairy tale. Like I said the sister and I were friendly but not close so we are back to that, my friend and I are still good friends and will continue to be, this guy was just a hiccup that should have never happened. If any of my friends/ family/ acquaintances would ever see my hubby with another woman, I would want them to tell me. I would be devastated but it would hurt more if I found out that somebody knew and never told me and let me be the fool. Other women like to be oblivious and enjoy a false sense of security, not me. I like to have my feet on the ground.

No, there are many reports citing this "offended lady" tweet about the issue. Still doesn't mean it happened. Not one verified report of anybody else being offended or hearing it, walking out of the event or complaining about it. In this time of social media, the fact that not on person taped, recorded, or showed when she said this is almost impossible. There are many other things to bash Bethenny for, but this one I am certain is just fake news. Bethenny is who she is, I don't think she is trying to change anything about her, last year she was in a bad place and it showed but she has always been obnoxious, hyper, OCD, fast speaking, self deprecating and goal driven. It has worked for her so I am not sure why she would want to change it at this point of her life. She is not your friendly, cuddly, soft spoken HW and that is okay with me.

There is a problem with this logic and that why the saying about killing the messenger exists. What are these women suppose to do? No matter what they do, nothing good will come out of it. It never does. I had a neighbor who was one of my dear friends, she had a younger sister who was dating a guy who everybody knew was a player, he promised he had changed his ways out of love for her and so they got engaged. My bad luck would have me attend a party where this guy also attended. He showed up there with another girl and they were making out all the time. I pulled him aside and told him that I would have to tell his girlfriend out of loyalty for my friend. I gave him a couple of days to do it and told him "If you don't tell her I will" The bastard used those couple of days to convince his girlfriend that I have tried to hit on him and he had rejected me and that now I was scorned and will come to her with lies. This girl has known me for years , even though we were never close friends we were friendly, she believed him. I told my dear friend what exactly happened and she believed me but her sister would hear no reason and went through with the marriage. Couple of years later and with divorce proceedings going on my friend's sister approached me and asked me why I never told her what happened, that I could had prevented her getting married. I was baffled. My friend told her "I told you exactly what happened" but she didn't want to hear, she didn't want to believe, she was not ready for it. No matter what I did it was not going to work. I feel sorry for this girl as she was truly in love and was a fool. I do not feel sorry for Luann because she is an experienced woman who knows exactly what is going on and is going into this marriage with her eyes open.

Funny because this article also has Bethenny saying it never happened and the "offended lady" has not shown any evidence of it. "“The only problem is [that] none of this happened. Never let the truth get in the way of trying to get attention.” And, “Funny how in a room of hundreds of people & phones no one has me saying it." Just like any fake news, you can find any kind of article in either direction if you look carefully. We like in a world were the "I am offended by......" has almost because the cool and hipster way to be. People go out of their ways looking for reasons to be offended. In my case I only get offended by other people pretending to get offended, but that is just me.

If I was Bethenny I would be extremely honored just to even be invited to be there. She is an invited guest and not part of the regular crew anyway. Shark Tank and its name mentions if full of sharks, just like the real business world. Your special circumstances and real life tragedies do not matter to these judges, they are there just to judge the availability of a product. Bethenny will be a though judge but that is the nature of this show so I think she will fit right in. JMO

Thanks for that link about Ramona and Tipsy Girl. IMO Bethenny has been able to move on about this issue with Sonya because deep down she understands/believes that Sonya is not a business person and was taken advantage of by this guy/partner. Sonya is desperate for money due to her situation and would do about anything for it. It was upsetting but IMO Bethenny probably knows that Sonya will never be the mastermind of anything. Ramona is a whole different story. Ramona is business savvy, she knew this guy was trying to ride on Skinny girl cocktails because it is an obvious rip off. Ramona didn't care, she was willing to do it and was even hurrying the guy to get it ASAP so she can put it on RHNY as much s possible. But she tried to play it cool and like she never had anything to do with it. Furthermore she played on season 8 like this guy (Peter?) approached her first but her ethical principles stopped her from accepting the offer because she knew he was trouble. She even preached hard to Sonya about how she shouldn't have accepted this and how right Bethenny was to be upset with her , but in the meantime she never disclosed that she was willing to do it first.

I didn't think about it like that. Sometimes you are emotionally or physically attracted to someone when you are young and want to take the next step but the other person just doesn't feel the same. Life goes on, paths take you on different directions and then 30 years later a chance presents itself. IMO Dennis got separated/divorced and he started thinking about the "one who got away" and Bethenny was also separating/divorce so he made a move and they reconnected. He probably told her that he liked her since their younger days which doesn't mean that he has been pinning for her and never loved his wife. IMO Dennis has always been a friend to Bethenny but when his marriage was over and Bethenny's was as well, then he decided to take the next step. Now , let's not forget that before Dennis Bethenny was in a relationship of about a year with another guy, so it is not like Bethenny ended her marriage because of Dennis and I don't think Dennis ended his marriage because of Bethenny either. They are still friends so I doubt there is hard feelings about the break up. Sometimes a great friendship is better than a failed relationship.

So on the topic of "why does it bother the other women" It doesn't bother Dorinda, she was the matchmaker after all, Tinsley doesn't care at all so good for her. Bethenny said what she had to say last season and as soon as she realized that Luann was not interested in knowing about his indiscretions, that she was going to marry come hell or high heaven, she backed completely off. Bethenny knows that Tom will cheat and Luann will look the other way and they will be happily ever after. Carole has a personal beef with Luann and I don't blame her, Luann was really insulting when she called her a pedophile and that is not something that is easily forgiven. It might be petty but I can see how Carole has not completely forgiven Luann. Sonya and Ramona have been Tom's victims. Hear me out here!! They are both old enough to know better but based on several of Tom's past women, there seems to be a pattern here. Tom is not the ultimate player, he is not the type to tell this women upfront that this is just a hook up, he seems to string them along making them believe that they are in a relationship and that he is falling for them, several of them have said that they thought they were the ones until they found out about Luann, that IMO is pretty shitty. He is a predator who preys on the insecurities of these women and then discards them like trash. Ramona and Sonya have it out for Tom so it pleases them to bring up his cheating ways. If I was Luann, I wouldn't be flashing my fairy tale love story, I would be having separate bank accounts, pre-nup in place and life insurance with my kids as beneficiaries. Everybody seem to think that Tom is such a great catch and IMO he is nothing but a scam artist, someone who has been preying on needy women but didn't put a ring on it until he found someone financially set like Luann. Luann might not be rolling on dough but until somebody proves me wrong, I think that Tom's wealth is a lot of fluff. Does he own the apartment or does he rent it? Is his company among the 500? or just a small business that is more a facade than anything else. Luann is bent on selling her love story but I think everybody knows what is up with this marriage, she should just say "yes, I have an open marriage so what bitches? and move on. Instead she wants people to believe that Tom was a feisty bachelor but found her, fell in love and married her because she is much better than the other women he has dated before. That is probably what irks the other women.

Wasn't the guy who is Sonia's partner the same one that wanted to partner with Ramona last season? I am pretty sure he is, he even tried to play as a possible Ramona's love interest, so why didn't he offered the partnership to Ramona? He has been trying to use RHNY to his advantage for a while now. Sonja seems like the perfect candidate though, just pay me a fee and I will throw a party to advertise on RHNY, the one making the money here is the sleazy guy, in the meantime Sonja is playing dumb saying that she thought Bethenny would be flattered and support her when she knows darn well that a similar name on the same product line from a cast member of the same franchise (3 variables together) would surely piss anybody off. She acts like a naive and innocent disoriented girl who is going to be blindsided by Bethenny's lack of support when she knows fully well what she is doing. Sonja doesn't care because the fee that they are paying her is needed for household bills but it is mind boggling that she is trying to sell the idea that Bethenny should come running and give her a hug for such a brilliant idea.

Bethenny didn't say that Heather told her what Ramona said in T&C, Bethenny mentioned that Ramona told Heather that information that night at T&C. I am assuming that Heather never told that to Bethenny as she left very early the day after, but maybe after the meeting at Sonja's they went for lunch or cocktails and that is when Heather told Bethenny about Ramona spreading this kind of gossip. Bethenny is not the kind of person who sits on that kind of information, she was obviously pissed when she arrived to that fashion show so I am thinking the information has been newly revealed to her. The thing between Bethenny and Ramona has been brewing for a while and it came to an end, it is not a huge take down mastermind plan on Bethenny's part. Bethenny has let a lot of things go but this probably was the straw that broke the camel's back. Bethenny had all the right to confront Ramona because her malicious gossip is damaging. Ramona can't say she return the dresses because she never did and Bethenny was naming a list of the things Ramona has done so obviously the dress is going to come up. I especially loved the part when Ramona offered to pay and Bethenny took her up on the offer. BTW Bethenny said that one dress was 500 and the other one was 45 hundred meaning 4500 , did I hear that correctly? I would love to know if Ramona has effectively pay for both dresses, all Ramona has to do it is say it and show the check.

LOL, so Heather had nothing to do with the way she is perceived? I guess somehow Bethenny masterminded the way to put words in her mouth, she whispered in her ear that she will go away and that if any guy showed up in her bedroom then it was her mission to shame whoever brough him in, it was Bethenny who has made Heather behave the way she has. never mind that Bethenny wasn't even present last season when Heather was a harpy towards Aviva, nope, Heather is not responsible for her words or actions, last year it was Aviva's fault and this year it is Bethenny''s fault. It is never Heather's fault, never.

She created the toxic atmosphere this year? So all the toxicity of last season was due to who? Wasn't it all about Aviva, Carole and Heather? IMO Bethenny's addition has added fluidity to the group, she doesn't have alliances to anybody , she has had issues with all of them but has quickly gotten over it, she was defensive at the beginning but she is finding her place in this group, Bethenny is not the one who is constantly bashing her costarts on twitter the way Dorinda, Luann, Carole or Heather are. If anything she is able to see both side of the issue , an issue BTW where both sides have rights and wrongs. I guess at this point of the game Bethenny is in good standing even if precarious with all of them, she has said that Heather was entitled to be scared of the naked guy but she has also clarified that the naked guy was not in Heather's room at any point which is nothing but the truth , Bethenny didn't find anything horrible with Ramona sleeping with a guy but she agreed that the guy shouldn't have stayed home, to point that in her opinion Heather overreacted doesn't mean she is leading some kind of obscure campaign against Heather, the fact remains that many viewers do agree that Heather overeeacted even when they like Heather so pointing at the evident doesn't make her an enemy.

Luann is a single woman and she can do whoever she wants , in this case she did the right thing and send the guy away after the deed was done. Luann is saying that she never did it with him , just made out, whatever the case it is , the way that Heather spoke to her and tried to shame her had nothing to do with the guy sleeping upstairs. Once Heather learned that the guy upstairs was Ramona's, Heather should have apologized to Luann,. Dorinda and Sonja and focus all her anger towards Ramona but that never happened. Brandi Glanville is a slut of major proportions and I remember some passionate defenders of hers and how slut shaming wasn't cool, the difference between Luann and Brandi is that Luann did it in a vacation, send the guy away and it would have totally been a non issue hadn't it been because Heather needed camera time, Brandi did it in Kyle's house in the bathroom that is next to Portia's bedroom in a house full of people, yet everyone went out of their way to deny it happen even though they all knew it did. I still remember some of those passionate defenders who swear that any mention of Brandi's horrible ways was slut shaming. Luann did nothing wrong IMO, she cam,e to the house with some guys, she made out or had sex with one of them, I am choosing to believe that the surprise in her face about finding out he was married was real but some might disagree, he broke his marital vows not her, then she shipped the guy off. Ramona is the one who authorized the guy to stay in the bedroom upstairs but Heather is not ripping Ramona a new one like she did Luann. Heather probably realized that Ramona was too drunk to get out of bed and she needed to have her camera time right there and then so obviously Luann became an easier and available target. IMO

Heather must have gotten blasted at the reunion and threw a hissy fit threatening to quit. I hope Bravo calls her on her bluff.

If Heather leaves it is not because she is so above all these women that she just needs to focus on her business. She needs the free eposure more than anything. Heather is a control freak and if she is reading any of the blogs and comments online then her massive ego must have taken a fatal blow, something she is not used to. Heather is like the little kid who can't dictate the rules of the game so she takes her toy and leaves. I hope Bravo just lets her go.

Because it takes a little bit of time to wake up the producers, had them going, wake up her BFF had her rolling, getting their mikes on. That is why I think that all the dramatic display that she had just hjust for the cameras, not that she was not upset and had every right to be but the way she went about it was completely for dramtic effect.

I won't believe she is leaving, not until net season starts filming anyway. Seems to me she is throwing her weight around so I hope Bravo calls her on her bluff and just lets her go. Heather, take your groupies Carole and Kristen with you , maybe between the three of you combined can find one story line that is half way interesting.

Hostilities? uhmm I disagree Heather has been pretty hostile and passive aggressive and sometimes just plain aggresive herself . It is not like she is a shrinking violet and all these things are happening to her for no reason. Heather was pretty awful to Sonja on that limo ride, she was first passive aggresive to Bethenny at Dorinda's house, she was passive aggresive to Dorinda by saying "hastag- your mopther would be proud", she was aggresive towards Ramona by arm blocking her when she wanted to give Dorinda a hug and wanted to take her away. She was aggresive towards Dorinda when questioning her about the guiy but she top the cake when she transformed herself into the mansion police by slamming doors, opening curtains, screaming and barging in Ramona and Luann's rooms. Heather could have handled this way differently but she obviously needed something over the top dramatic. IMO at least 15 minutes have passed at least between the time she found the guy and the time when she "reenacted" her combo to Carole, 15 minutes were she had enough time to process the fact that this was not a tresspaser who was trying to kill her but a guy who was with the other ladies the night before, instead of calming down, she worked herself into a frenzi and displayed her overbearing reaction , if you ask me her reaction was not that of fear, she might had been afraid when she saw the guy initially but at the point when she was confronting Luann and Ramona that was a basic, bitchy display of rehearsed dramatics. BTW, I also have no doubt that Carole did apologize to Luann because that is another one who has two faces and is a basic bitch as well.

So let me get this straight again. Heather went to the bathroom, which by her own admission was not open as she opened it and that is when she saw the naked guy. She had time to wake up carole, go downstairs and wake up production and get them going, had their mikes on. The guy had enough time to wake up, get dressed, go to the kitchen and drink some juice, get out of the house. During this several minutes Heather was getting herself together to start "reenacting" her combop to Carole and then is when her outrage brew over and she started with her gestapo antics to find out who the guy was and who brought him. Talk about rehearsed and calculated delayed of your emotions. Hold up, let me hold on the tears until the cameras are rolling, 1, 2, 3 , action.... Carole and Heather think that Luann is overeacting to get herself a story line? LOL Of course the fact that Heather and Carole basically questioned Dorinda and Luann after they were told several times that the guy was not their doing has nothing to do with trying to snatch camera time or a story line, right?

Heather and her contradictions/ hypocrisy She just apologized to Sonja by saying "none of us is a therapist so we can't diagnose the others" yet in this episode she has diagnosed Dorinda and declared that she is not a happy person because of the mess between her daughter and her boyfriend. I bet Dorinda is itching to tweet something about that. Heather judgemental? Nah. Heather only comes from a place of love and honest concern. Can't you tell ? (Eye roll)

Carole's hard questioning was out of place and should had been reserved for the guilty party in this case Ramona not Dorinda, but at least she didn't go as far as to scream, cry, open closed bedroom doors and open window shades while demanding people to wake up, that was Heather and that is why I am saying her reaction was OTT. I absolutely agree, all this mess was because Ramona was probably too drunk to see the guy out of the house. It was a selfish thing to do but hardly something unforgivable. These women were obviously not at risk with so many people in that house. Ramona and Luann are more at risk by having random sex with stranger as far as STDs goes but that is nobody's business. Heather and Carole had the right to be upset and to demand this not happen again for safety reasons, but they could have done so behind cameras instead of waiting for the green light and the tears to start flowing. I loved zoysmom comment, absolutely both parts can be wrong, in this case the wrong was done not even by Luann as she saw the guy out, the wrong was done by Ramona for not seeing the guy out and by Carole/Heather for bringing this whole incident to a dramatic level that didn't need to be.

http://m.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/rhony-gone-wild-sonja-morgan-forgets-panties-bethenny-frankel-dances-2015147 All this mess of production crew, the house staff, the drivers, etc. This is by no means a normal vacation, there are people in an out of that place at a given moment. Heather found a naked guy next door, she got outraged but cleverly instead of confronting every one behind cameras decided that on camera was juicier, got production going, miked and than started with her display of outrage, very convenient I must say. I don't care how upset she was, she had absolutely no reason to storm in other's room, slam curtains, scream like a banshee and demand to know because all she needed to know she already did: one of her castmates had had sex with a guy the night before and the guy had spend the night at Bethenny's empty room. The guy was gone, their belongings were safe, while Heather and Carole could have used the moment to disccus bounderies and discuss safety issues when all are awake and sober, this display of screams and tears looked ridiculous to me. JMHO.

At the time when pirategate happen, Heather and Luann were not friends, they were castmates, now after three seasons and hanging out together maybe Luann was under the impression that Carole and Heather were her friends but when in search of a story line all bets are off and that is something that Luann should remember.

If your speculation is correct then Heather's reaction is even more fake than I thought before If production had seen the guy leave and then found Heather and Carole talking about it then I am sure there was some exchange of information between them, so by this point Heather already knew the guy was not a thief, a rapist, has been there with one of the castmates, so Heather's hard line of questioning and her screaming and slamming had no other purpose than dramatic effect to further her story line which has been inexistant this season. IMO

AS I said before, I do not judge their reaction, just their dramatic displays. Heather had time between the time she found out the naked guy to get her robe on, get Carole up, go downstairs, get the crew going, get the mikes on, several minutes to check her purse, to check that everyone was live and well, to ask if anybody in the crew knew who this guy might had been, etc. While I agree with her confronting the possible suspects: Luann and Sonja, I do think that Carole and Heather went OTT with their questioning of Dorinda, all they had to ask her was , did you bring a guy home last night and allowed him to spend the night here? If Dorinda said No, then they needed to move on, same with Sonja, same with Luann, as soon as Luann said Yes and that she saw the guy out, that should have been it, instead Heather is talking about morals, Carole is inserting the fact that Luann doesn't even know the guy's name, Heather is crying and mandhandling curtains and shades, IMO completely OTT. Heather's outrage should have been better served on Ramona, not with yelling and screaming to a person who is obviously not fully awake, but with a conversation later about how she had jeopardize everyone safety by bringing someone random in the house and how that was not cool. Instead of that perfectly reason here we are discussing her reaction and her dramatic displays.