Lemuria

Looks like he's wearing the nightshirt under that terry cloth robe! ☺️

Well, that trailer was mostly useless. Did I miss something important?

That was an interesting idea with the cameos. I especially liked the Benny and Amara ones!

Unfortunately, we can still go lower. Challenger Deep, anyone? I admit that, nowadays, my feelings about the finale are pretty much laser-focused on Dean's legacy. I want him to end as he began: a badass Big Damn Hero. I'm not worried about Jack the Show Killer (who was a way better character when he was Jack the Multi-layered, Manipulative, Deceptive Fetus than he became once he was born), or Cas the Handmaiden to Jack the Show Killer--they'll do fine in DabbWorld. Even Sam is liked by Dabb. But I am convinced Dabb dislikes both Dean (go back and read the comic he wrote; it's very clear just exactly what he thinks of Dean) and JA (who asked Dabb for some direction with the Michael character before Season 14 filmed and got completely blown off, even though Dabb had time to meet with both JP and AC to discuss the season). And so, JA's lack of enthusiasm for the finale still resonates.

They actually showed this in the trailer and I was surprised that I didn't see anyone mention that at the time.

Yeah, that was one of the things that ultimately made me dislike the show (along with stuff like: the fact that they couldn't, in the end, handle the increasing complexity, and ultimately failed the logic test; that I still have no idea what the "plan" was; and don't even get me started on the finale!!); to me, Apollo in the original series was the center of the story (to that advanced race, he was humanity on the way to being something greater). First time around, so did I! (I like that they consider Baby to be a "hunk", even though they acknowledge that she's a she. 😊) There were a couple of questions where I could have gone either way (not the burger one; I definitely would not ever go for pie. Sorry, Dean, sweetie 😘), so the second time around I took the other choice and I got Dean. Yay! Dean and Baby--I think I've chosen a side here. 😂😋

After multiple tries, I discovered a way to cheat and now I’m quarantined with Dean. What’s that thing about age and treachery? Yep. 😄

Gonzosgirrl posted: “Same verbage as above, with this photo. (My screencap is at work). This was the last time we were all shooting together before #SPN production got shut down due to #coronavirus (and may be the last time we all film together, ever.) If you’re stuck home & need some friends, Supernatural is back on tonight. #StayHomeSaveLives 📸by Peter Hunter pic.twitter.com/4GfdPRVCAZ — Misha Collins (@mishacollins) March 16, 2020”

What did it look like? Pretty please?

Sneak peek for “Galaxy Brain” Promo 1 Promo

And if he'd "believed" Sam or "trusted" him (as I've seen some fans complain Dean didn't), the only thing that would have changed in season 4 was that Dean would have become complicit in releasing Lucifer. Something I'm sure some fans would have been thrilled to be able to say afterward.

Only if Sam apologizes to Ruby for holding her so that Dean could kill her.

Yep, he was.

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Anything yet?

Not to mention, the security guard. And his mother, whom he prevented from aborting him and thus intentionally killed her so that he could be born. Are you suggesting that Chuck actively prevented Jack from say that Jack hadn't done it at all? Other than not wanting it to be Jack, where is this coming from? There's nothing in the show that says this. This is, IMO, pure wishful thinking to excuse an molly-coddled character who has previously demonstrated no control over his temper or powers.

No kidding. I read that entire quote from JP with my mouth on the floor. Is he serious? That's some serious horse pucky and in my humble opinion, makes Sam look like an idiot. Dabb, Berens and their assembly-line of Mary Sues (the monster elites in Bloodlines, Claire, Kaia and, lo, above all the rest, Jackie-poo) have destroyed the show and the other characters, especially, IMO, Cas and Sam.

I thought he used moves from both of them: the windmill movement – – where he circled around with his arms outstretched – – was Kelly-ish and the dancing with the lamp was Astaire-ish.

Let's not forget that he freed Lucifer while drinking demon blood and following blindly in the wake of his demon BFF and drug dealer, Ruby. Or that, in When the Levee Breaks and while he still thought he would be proven absolutely right about what he'd done all season 4 (and even before Dean returned) as well as being proven to be the stronger, smarter, superior Winchester, he took complete ownership of everything he'd done, including the monstrous stuff (only, of course, to repudiate it all in Fallen Idols and blame Dean for Sam's listening to Ruby and only Ruby). The nurse situation to me was really, really bad, but it was even worse in season 5: I assumed that season 4 was Sam hitting rock bottom, because of his ego and his pride and his need to feel powerful, and that we would see a really good redemption arc. Something that, IMO, we didn't get. It should have started with Sam acknowledging the nurse in some way. I thought for sure that he would be filled with remorse over it--possibly recognizing that, in addition to Ruby's urging, he made the decision to drain her blood because he was furious at what he thought was Dean's phone message--and that we would see something about it, maybe having Sam going to see the nurse's family from a distance. Maybe telling Dean what had happened. But there was never another word about it. It apparently didn't bother Sam enough for him to appear to give a darn (or stronger word). The rest of the year didn't get much better. Sam, IMO, was basically handed redemption, without having to really earn it. Yep, I know he jumped into Hell with Lucifer and it's often claimed that he made this great sacrifice for the world. I don't consider it that: A sacrifice to me is something you make for others when you have no obligation or responsibility to do it. Sam blew up the world. Countless numbers died because of it and many others, like the people in 99 Problems damned themselves to Hell because of the situation Sam created. (Those people, BTW, are never getting out of Hell, are they?) So, it wasn't a sacrifice, it was reparations. It was cleaning up his mess. It was something that Sam owed the world. Just MO. YMMV.

If Dean gets to be Oliver Queen in the finale, I'll fight to keep the plotline. 😋

I know--and I wish I thought the writers on this show recognized that something like that detracts from Sam as a character but I don't. I don't think they have a clue why something like that makes Sam look bad, amidst all the other speechifying. The former bartender was looking directly at Dean when she said that Fortuna did it because of "you." I don't believe she meant only Dean; I mention this because, as unhappy as I was with some things in this ep, I disagree with some posts that suggest that the bartender--and therefore, Fortuna--was only talking about Sam. (I also liked that immediately after the defeat, we didn't see any evidence of Dean giving up. Yay! for that.) Speaking of that last game, whose brilliant idea was it to let the Goddes of--you know--Luck have the first go at the table? You were pre-law, Sam. You didn't think to make it part of the deal that you get to have the first shot? I do think this episode was an attempt to fix some of last week's nonsense, basically going with the "They were cursed with bad luck specifically designed to negate their abilities" theory. That doesn't mean they pulled it off anywhere nearly as well as they needed to, does it?

Not that long ago: he said it again late in season 13, that Dean had to stop putting him at the kiddie table—even though Dean had reasonable reasons for taking Ketch with him instead of Sam. And even though Sam went along with those reasons and agreed that he should stay behind. So not only is Sam a grown man still whining that his brother needs to let him grow up—really, Sam? Nobody is stopping you from growing up except you— but he also fails to take a real grownup stand on the issue and agrees to go along, only to bitch and complain later. The only one putting Sam in the corner is Sam.

To add to that (I'm posting the link because I can't seem to figure out how to put in the actual tweet): JA even made the trick shot on his own

My problem with this, though, is that while he is chronologically 2 years old, he wasn't born with the brain of an infant. He was born with a mature brain that just lacked knowledge--but he hasn't grown, learned or matured any since then, IMO. Actual children learn faster than Jackey Sue. Not to mention FetusJack was smarter, cleverer, more knowledgeable, more deceptive and manipulative and more genuinely dangerous than Jack--who is dangerous because he's overpowered and has never bothered to learn (or sought to learn) control. (Sam made a big mistake IMO at the beginning with Jack, mostly I assume because we find out that he wanted Jack's powers to open a gate to find Mary: He should not have been trying to teach Jack to use his power; he should have been working to teach Jack control.)

And the fact that he still expresses absolutely no remorse for killing Mary. (And, no, IMO, he didn't do that last season, either. He seemed more concerned that the brothers would be angry with him over it, than with Mary's death itself. Odd, considering we were told how mch they presumably bonded on AU!Earth.) And Jack remains as dumb as a rock. In his time on the show, we never saw him mature or apparently learn anything--or particularly want to. Remember the whining when he was fully human and being bested by Bobby in training sessions? "How long until I get my power back?" not "I'm going to learn how to fight the de-powered wayno matter what it takes." That episode with the teenagers, he seemed to have mentally regressed. Not to mention, he keeps making the same mistakes (so maybe he really IS related to Sam and Cas): Here, he shows again that he can be led around by anyone. First Duma, now Death. "Go out and kill some angels to get the power to take on Chuck." Why would eating human hearts--because that's what the vessels were--add to Jack's power? It's not as if souls reside in the hearts, so he's not gaining the human spark plug advantage. (Not to mention, we saw that the combined power of all of the angels in Heaven couldn't even dent Amara. She may be slightly more powerful than Chuck but not necessarily so much so that taking whatever the Grigori have should matter.) What happens now that he's run out of Grigori? Does he go after other angels? "Head for the door, Cas!" I did find the comment upthread funny that apparently Jack's return isn't enough to send Cas to the empty. 😉 I did not initially care for Dean's self-deprecating comment, especially in light of Sam's non-reaction to it (yes, Sam did say that he learned everything from Dean but, hey, the student can surpass the teacher, right? 😝). And I know that Dabb tends to stay on the surface but I also know that it isn't true based on what we've seen in the show up until recently, especially when Dean and Sam have gone head-to-head: Dean usually out-tactics Sam. (Look at "Citizen Fang:" Dean knew, from Sam's reaction to Benny and some other things Sam had said, that Sam would end up betraying him yet again, and he planned for it.) And he know how stubborn Sam can be. So based on the Dean-Sam dynamic we've seen, I know that Sam would have fought Dean over who got to play initially. I think the last thing Dean wants to hear yet again is that he's bossy and putting Sam at the kiddie table. But by putting it the way he did, he boxed Sam into a corner where Sam really couldn't object anymore without being seen to be trying to take away the one thing Dean was holding on to as something he was better at. Nicely played, Dean.