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We did see her kids, though -- she took them over to Melissa's house in the second episode and they ran around screaming with the junior Gorgas while their moms drank wine.

She has got to be soooooo furious that she put on an entire wedding and a three month sham marriage for them, and still got stuck at "friend of" status instead of being a full Housewife again.

She 100% did, and the "pets" and praise she got from Bethanny afterward were millions of times more patronizing than anything in Dorinda's apology. Bethanny's found the one person who can only gain from being her lapdog; everything Sonja does is by Bethanny's script and done for Bethanny's praise. Either she or Dorinda had a bag I totally covet -- I can't remember who, but it was on the bed and had a cover that zipped very neatly over the two sides before they closed it.

This is especially true if you're really running into your friend's ex twice a day the way Ramona claims she was running into Tom in Palm Beach. Can you imagine: Noon: Hey girl, just saw your ex when I was at lunch. 6 p.m.: Hey, just wanted you to know your ex is at the bar! 10 a.m.: Having brunch -- your ex is at the next table. LOL 9 p.m.: At your ex's yacht party. Guess who's here??? YOUR EX! Who would have thought! If one of my exes has slunk back into town, then YES I want a heads up. "HEY, I don't know if you know this, but, fuckboi is in town. I saw him at the bar we all used to go to together, and just wanted to let you know so you don't get taken by surprise if you run into him." But twice a day, every day, over a holiday weekend? That's stupid, and almost cruel.

I love you for reminding me of this: She did rent the apartment furnished, but the books do look lovely. And the first time she showed the place (in the pre-arrest episode walkthrough) I thought that it would actually be great to know someone who rented an apartment that came with a lot of books -- that way I can enjoy judging the owner's taste in books and not feel bad about judging my friend. And her recounting to Dorinda was GREAT. Sonja goes to every housewife event for the same reason I went to every department party in grad school -- the free food. And she probably leaves the same way I did back in the day too -- with her purse full of cheese cubes.

Fair warning: I still get a little heartbreak when I think about something that happens in that 3rd season.

For me she's still D.I. Susan Taylor, from Touching Evil BITD.

Fair play, but if people stopped treating her like a daft, willful child, it might help her step up and stop acting like one.

The way they cut from Bethenny talking about renting out her current place / moving to the new one, I was half convinced LuAnn would end up being the "girl" who had agreed to rent Bethenny's apartment. It would be like an old Roadrunner cartoon -- there would be a me-shaped hole in the door with vapor trails coming out of it and tire tracks where my feet had been. Ramon is/has been in the business of buying department store overstock and selling it to "second line" retailers (TJ Maxx, Marshalls, etc), right? I wondered if it was an arrangement like that -- here's what hasn't moved, instead selling it to you outright, we'll co-host a "party" in our store with you where we offer your friends a discount. You supply the suckers and collect a percentage of whatever we take in. This. I've always thought that the dangerous thing about Sonja is that she "takes notes." She's not only living in her own past, she's living in your past, and ready to bring up the dirt at a moment's notice, completely absent any context, if she thinks it will score some points. She probably has a filofax with the names of every '80s stockbroker who took Ramona to dinner BITD and got some over the pants action in return. And thiiiiiiiiis is 100% what I was thinking the entire time. LuAnn didn't complain about living with Sonja because she was there for what? a couple of weeks before she glommed onto Tom? And because she and Sonja knew that their role was to act like sorority sisters / fun girls about town, heading out to party and then waking up and padding around the unheated kitchen in each other's fur vests and so on. But with Tinsley, Sonja made up this narrative that she was like. . . I don't know, the Aunt in a Regency Romance novel, launching a debutante on society as a favor to their parents or something. She treated Tinsley like a child who had to be controlled and instructed, set those bizarre parameters about how to treat her "staff", and carped at her constantly about how she wasn't being appreciative. (and honestly, she would have had the win in that situation if she'd only mentioned Tinsley never doing / getting anything for her a) after the fact, and b) ONCE. The fact that she stood in her dated kitchen doling out brown ice and rattling off a list of complaints including Tinsley never even buying flowers for the house means that she, not Tinsley, is the one lacking grace in that scenario).

I think he was tortured separately from the murder -- e.g. Sir Phillip put a nail through his hand to "remind" him to come up with the fifty quid he owed the gang, and then he was murdered while doing Mr. Slater in the basement to get it (plus the extra fifty for JoJo's abortion that didn't happen).

I can't believe I've made it through 8 pages of comments and no one has mentioned Lady Morgan drinking tea out of a cup with the bag still in it and what looked like about 8 inches of string dangling between the lip of the cup and the tag.

They're real, and they're spectacular. (friends had one at a wedding. Mashed potatoes and/or mashed sweet potatoes. All the fixins. Served in martini glasses. If the rest of the wedding had been that good, it would have been one of my all time faves)

She said "up to my elbows in bubbles," and she was CLEARLY NOT covered in bubbles or wearing clothes you would bathe an infant in, so I assumed it was an "I... have to wash my hair" type excuse -- an obvious lie to let Sidney know he wasn't coming in. She was also blocking the doorway with her body, and when Sidney offered to come in and help, she put him off. I hate Amanda so much that it has stopped me from enjoying the actress in anything else, so I can't believe I'm defending her. But I don't think we're expected to believe she was letting the baby flop about drowning.

It was a stupid statement, but I'm hoping he was meant to be joking about it. At the very least, I guffawed -- and as another person with a master's degree in American literature, I would totally buy and wear a t-shirt with that quotation on it. I'm now imagining AD living in the tunnels, Phantom of the Opera style. The costume folks have taken so much (completely justified) guff since she came back for not knowing how to dress her body without making her look like a middle-aged woman having a Chico's kind of day; I think both the pregnancy and putting her under a blanket half the time are their way of getting around having to find pieces for her.

Agreed -- that's why it stuck out to me as a "thing". I thought "hm, interesting color on Dorinda, but it looks good!" And then two segments later, there was Ramona with her Jem is excitement pinky-orange tinge, biting Dorinda's style. My reaction was "why is this dumbass putting a banana in the dishwash-- ooooh."

I immediately assumed that that's the jar where he keeps his drug of choice. Not that I think he's a druggie like Dorinda's John is or anything, but I'd bet he has something around for parties / tough nights at the office / special evenings with LuAnn (or whoever). This is my favorite sentence ever. It says so much so simply. I want it on a t-shirt, a coffee mug, and an embroidered sampler. Putting aside the face work the various ladies have had done in the off season, did anyone else notice both Dorinda and Ramona having a kind of apricot-tinge to their hair in their talking heads? Or do I need a new TV?

I don't know; I think I'd personally be more worried about getting involved with a man who'd cheated on his wife than I would about the fact that they managed to get along like adults.

What season was it meant to be at that final meeting? Theresa's wearing a mangy fur thing from the Wilma Flinstone Collection at K-mart, Melissa's wearing some strappy crocheted piece of nonsense, Delores has on a spring frock, Jacqueline is in a sweater dress with a leather vest over it...

Hell, I do that, and I don't understand the purpose. I think it's one of those things that either I saw someone doing to stop crying or someone told me would help you not cry if you felt like you were about to (the way not blinking is supposed to). It kind of works, sometimes? I would not be shocked if Robyn actually filmed much more than we're seeing this season -- i.e., if they brought her on as a "test" housewife and shot more day-to-day stuff with her, then decided Siggy and Delores worked better so kept them as cast and cut Robyn down to background, but couldn't cut her completely because of this confrontation with Jacquelyn. So far we've seen her and her partner at Theresa's for New Year's, at the "formal" book party in New York, and at the book signing (were they at Delores' birthday too?). That would also explain whatever "history" she thinks she has with Rosie -- it could be stuff that was filmed that we didn't see. This is the other thing that makes me think they shot Robyn as a try-out housewife -- Andy's been trying to get a lesbian housewife since the original DC season. Robyn's partner seems so low key and boring, though. I bet their at-home scenes were even duller than Delores' dog and renovation storylines. I need Melania to give me pancake making lessons -- if I get one that comes out that good looking, I'm pleased.

I thought I saw "Chris C" on his chyron, both when he was screaming on the phone and when he was screaming in person. Son's name was ... Jason or something? If anyone on here moves in the right circles (cough), I'm guessing it wouldn't be too hard to piece together. Yes -- I love how she's identified as "friend of Theresa" instead of "New York Housewife," which I feel like they used to do when they had these mini-crossover appearances? We all know who Dorinda is, Andy. Same with the terrible twins -- "Friends of Theresa." Bullshit they were.

I thought maybe Tom had been like a honey trap for SBK -- like he was the younger partner (maybe the killer's kid), who got involved with the rich prospective victims' daughters (or, hell, sons -- he and Allison might both be bi). So he would infiltrate the family, get the know-how SBK needed to break into the houses (alarm codes, habits, etc), and then drive the get away car while the main SBK did the actual killing. Before the whole thing got hung on Mitchell, the police had speculated that the killer was motivated by hatred of the rich, so a dad or other male figure with a class grudge setting his son out as bait for pampered kids would work. Hell, it could have started because Tom was a scholarship kid at prep school and/or whatever college he and Allison were at, and was treated badly by his peers and their parents. And then when SBK never came out of the Hawthornes' house, the killing stopped because Tom wasn't the primary killer. But then he married Allison and stuck around so that he could find out exactly what happened, and someday get his revenge. The biggest flaw in that kind of theory is that I don't for a minute believe that Allison, even at age 21 or whatever, didn't have a phone book sized file of opposition research on the family of anyone she got involved with.

This made me laugh out loud, partly because it's SO TRUE and partly because when I was about 25 or 26, I was at my parents' for Christmas, had not rented a car because I could always borrow one of theirs... and ended up having to ride my younger sister's completely un-maintained bike with two near flat tires to the drug store in the middle of the day when everyone was out. So in my mind, Paige is just lucky her parents are keeping her bike's tires full.

Key parties. I'm telling you, wild and crazy key parties. There was probably all sorts of wife and sister-in-law swapping going on over the fence between the Hastings' estate and the Di Laurentiis' compound. Peter's just the only one who ever managed to get his shots past the goalie. "She's my sister! She's my cousin! She's my sister and my cousin!" Forget it, Jason. It's Rosewood.

As long as his head's still attached, I don't believe it. The minute Jenna stepped on Noel Kahn's head, I was like "Oh, you for real dead now, son." If Peter Hastings is still Spencer's dad (and I hope he is, because a) I like the actor, and b) I cannot take any more new relatives at this point), they must have had some amazing key parties in their neighborhood during the late '80s/early '90s. Because Melissa and Jason are about the same age, right? And then Ali and Spencer are too. Is Allison her father's only biological child now? Is Melissa Mrs. Hastings' only child? Did we ever find out who Charlotte's dad was? At the moment, as best as I can figure out: Jason is: half brother to Allison, Melissa, and (possibly) Spencer; cousin to Charlotte Allison is : half sister to Jason; cousin to Charlotte and Spencer Spencer is: half sister to Jason, Charlotte, and (possibly) Melissa; cousin to Allison Charlotte was: half sister to Spencer and???; cousin to Jason and Allison Melissa is: half sister to Jason and possibly Spencer; blissfully unrelated to the rest of that hot mess. Stay in London, girl. This times about a million. "Emison" disgusts me, because people aren't rooting for a couple; they're rooting for Emily to continue to be the victim of Allison's games. Speaking of Allison -- is she meant to be jaundiced, or are they just really bad at doing her make-up? Is jaundice a symptom of pregnancy, or of sneakily being impregnated with someone else's eggs?

Both, plus the fact that the actress couldn't keep her American accent going through all the screaming?