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Yup, agree 100%. He does not strike me as a long-term planner. He's a lazy bones who saw an opportunity for a free ride. I doubt he even had to interact with her that much, she's in bed all day. He just didn't predict the depth of her violence and craziness. I am SO disgusted by the cast mates showing up to support Amber. It's one thing to privately text a co-worker and say "hang in there" or something. But to show up and march into court with her, just so low. Imagine if, say, one of the many NFL players accused of domestic abuse had a bunch of their team mates show up on their court date. Imagine the pure outrage. Some site (maybe The Ashley?) is reporting that the prosecution has audio recordings, Ring doorbell footage, and lots of pictures of the crime scene. I wonder how they'll feel when that all comes out.

What a dull, depressing episode. I think I'm done with this show. All Amber talks about is social media and her "fans." Oh, and her mental illnesses and her counseling. She didn't mention Leah once. Switch over to Gary & Kristina, whose segments I normally enjoy, and all they talk about it Amber's mental illness. Caitlynn and Tyler just sit around like sad sacks. Tyler's mom comes over so they can all discuss the various counseling they are in, and Caitlynn's mental illnesses. Tyler goes to TX so her can meet up with his dad & sister, so the can talk about their addictions and counseling. I FF through Cheyenne's segments, so maybe something more than mental illness/addiction/counseling is discussed. Maybe? Maci's segments are all discussions about Ryan's addictions and the impact on Bentley. Mac & Ryan have dinner and talk about Ryan's recent rehab stay, while he sips a beer. Ryan's parents and Mac tearfully discuss his addictions and arrest and jail sentence. W.T.F? No thanks, I'm out.

OMG, how scary is UBT going to look with a shaved head? Good Lord.

LMAO, crying in the shed. It's funny cause it's true!

Whoa, that wedding. What a total shit show! I usually feel acute 2nd hand embarrassent when watching stuff like this, but Ryan and Mac are both such complete and total jerks that I laughed through the whole thing. I think my favorite was when Jen told Ryan it was time for the first dance and he started following her...not realizing that he was expected to dance with his wife. Ha! Also, when one of his groomsman was trying to help him think of vows, the groomsman is like "Tell her 'I'll always be there for you.'" and Ryan says something like "I can't commit to that" or something equally awful and shitty. Drunk Maci & Jen embracing and telling each other they love each other while Ryan and Mac cut the cake, alone, facing the wall. Ryan haranguing Mac about money and telling her she's not being very fun less than 5 minutes after they say their vows. In the middle of Larry's speech about best friends, the camera pans to Ryan and Mac, who aren't even sitting at the same table. HA. Hilarious and fitting, all of it!

OMG, Spiderella2, you are a true hero. Way to take one for the team!

I don't know why after watching this show for years that this episode made me SO sad for each and every kid. It's like an infomercial for the shit sandwich kids get dealt when dealing with their parents not being together/having different kids with different people. The parents have their steady partners/homes and the kids just bounce around and have to deal with different houses, partners, new babies and everything feels so completely unstable for them. Even Aubree, who won the jackpot out of all these poor kids. It's not just a new baby, it's knowing that new baby is Cole's baby, and she feels that difference. Ugh. Just so sad for all of them.

A lot of states are now not letting you renew your driver's license if you have outstanding child support. I'd love to see Matt hit with that!

Can you imagine if one of the HW's said to Ramona "Oh, Ramona, it was so awful how Mario cheated on you, and then paraded around the UES and the Hamptons with his much younger mistress. Just so awful, it was all over the news. Do Avery's classmates ask her about it? Are you worried that it will impact her ability to trust men? "

Totally on Maci's side with this. Ryan is a deadbeat dad who can't be bothered. Jen & Larry seem very nice, and clearly love Benny a lot. But, they act like b/c Ryan does't want to spend time with his son, that time automatically goes to them. It doesn't work that way.

I think Kathryn and Thomas both pictured this scenario going down differently. I don't think Thomas ever wanted full custody of the kids. He pictured them being primarily raised by their mother, available to him every other weekend for photo ops, holidays, etc. I think Kathryn also expected to have primary custody, and finally extracting enough in child support so she, at the very least, would not have to work. They're both pretty horrible.

Echoing everyone else- Ramona & Carol looked like they had major work done and it looks awful. Lu & Dorinda both looked really good. Sonja looks the same, and B's haircut is too severe. I'm torn on the election storyline- it happened, they should address it, but, like many on here, I just don't know if I'm ready to re-live November 2016. I feel for LuAnn. I think it's one of those situations where you unexpecedly meet someone you click with, so many things about the relationship seem perfect, and you just can't bring yourself to acknowledge this HUGE glaring problem. She's annoyed that the other women are talking about it and trying to force her see it. She knows, she's just choosing to forge ahead anyway, and wants everyone else to play along with her denial. This episode was actually kind of boring. I was all excited, had my glass of wine poured, etc., but was playing around on my phone halfway through.

I just looked at a bunch of their FB pages. The BEST is that Germy's FB page lists his employment as "Works at: egineer". LOL.

Of everything that is crappy and boring about this season, the thing I am most sick of is that sad, harp music they play before any scenes at the home of Teresa & Juicy Joe. SPARE ME. This is not the home of someone dying. This is the home of 2 admitted felons! So lay off the sad elevator music! They should play a sound bite of a jail cell closing. THWANK.

Seriously. That scene with Jace trying *so* to cheer his mom up, while she acts like a psycho, and then his small, sad, thin voice singing the rainbow song...I just can't. I honestly don't think I can watch this show anymore...I mean we are watching a child be abused and neglected...