SparedTurkey

I love Callisto, loved Autolycus....even Salmoneous. My ultimate favorite is One Against An Army. Can't explain it.

Regardless of whether the India arc was good - the controversy about it was over the top. Didn't it also start the christ/eli stuff? I liked it because it was different...and it looked like they had bought everything from Bali I want in my house

Yep - but Boomer is dead by the time anyone asks Athena if she has her memories. So I think Athena having her memories is a combination of Boomer transmitting memories while she is a sleeper, which no other cylon has been and so may not have had a reason to transmit anything, like the Leoban and D'Anna and then her memories as a bulk download when she dies - that do go to all the Eights. I think given the Cylon bend towards unity, they don't have individuality or individual memories while they are all connected. So what happens to one model, happens to all of that model. I think the Gina!Six was different because she couldnt download and so the rest of the Sixes don't know - like a computer file lost forever. Ahh right. Well, the network should have stopped meddling. But I think, from vague memories of cons, that the actors were well aware of the bias toward sci-fi and never really bothered to go for it hammer and tong - like the big networks did. Should he though? Was there a rule against it before the attacks? It isn't mentioned on the show from what I can tell. Doesn't seem to be a rule against two pilots going at it - and they get to arm themselves with planes. And as much as holding onto the old way of life is realistic, there would naturally be some bending after 2-ish years. I know that Tigh came down on Tyrol and Boomer in season 1, but that seemed more about her being an officer (and bad pilot, and sketchy) and he being enlisted - but there is no mention as to whether two officers or two enlisted are against any rules. Hell, Helo knocks up a cylon - if that isn't grounds for treason or consorting with an enemy I don't see them getting bent out of shape by a commander and an XO. Or it could be like Major Crimes - as long as it is disclosed, no problemo. But also - I do love Adama so I say this with love - there would be no way he'd come down on Lee even if it were against the rules. Considering what he lets both Lee and Starbuck pull, Adama would probably just be happy Lee is only shagging his XO. Adama has giant blind spots and this would probably come down in that. I think it is the Zephyr. Not sure if the interior is ever seen though. Razor is more about the Cain of it all. The Plan is more cylon-focused. Not sure when that aired. Neither is really required viewing for the series as a whole IMO.

I loved the Pegasus/Resurrection Arc. I also loved the Home arcs and all that came before (Especially the blackbird being dedicated to Laura). But when Cain showed up it felt like things were back to the brutal 33-esque show. And obviously we were supposed to think that Cain's way of life would have happened with Adama if not for Laura demanding the fleet be protected (Nice touch having Tigh be appalled after his foray into military rule) - but a lesser show would have made that explicit (and probably said by Apollo!). And then spinning it around so killing Cain is Laura's idea. And she talks the military man into it. And clearly Billy is not involved in that! This arc also cemented Tricia Helfer as awesome - no way you'd ever confuse Caprica!Six, Head!Six or Gina. Hard to watch but she was great in it. Also Sharon. I just love love love all three of those episodes. I think after the Cain arc, the network demanded more standalones (I may have got that off the commentary). And I resented it. Although season 2 had double the episodes so who knows if the creators would have sped things up if not or what would have happened. I also loved Epiphanies - I love Roslin though, so not a surprise. Especially seeing her pre-attack. I think MM broke a rib while dying so more power to her. I knew the cure was a Duex Ex Machina but it kept Roslin so I didn't care that much.... I hated that Billy died - I wanted him and Tory to be Roslin's voices of conscience (I mean, Adama has Apollo and Starbuck, so I felt it appropriate Laura also bring two kids to the relationship!). I both loved and hated this. But, this show sucks in that you fully understand why Roslin bans abortion, that Baltar makes a good point in opposition. Only by seeing Roslin hate it makes me still like her, even if I get that pragmatism wins out. I probably side with Baltar on this issue. But still. And also the baby out the airlock line is pretty gold. I liked Downloaded - less for the Anders and more for Caprica, Eight and Three. But I do love Lucy Flawless, so there is bias there. I think mine was something like "The f*ck waiting a year for season 3" (I am in Australia and it takes a million years for anything to happen. Also, I was in uni, so I don't recall being particularly eloquent). I don't think there were any spoilers, and it was before twitter so the conspiracy theories abounded. I hated that Roslin lost, that she lost to Baltar, that she tried to steal it. Thought Adama was a bit OTT with the whole "cancer will spread to the heart" thing but I got it. No one did - I think it is bias but also I don't think any actor actively campaigned for it (Don't know if MM campaigned for an emmy for The Closer but she did get a nom there I think?) From what I understand - Boomer died and her memories were uploaded (or downloaded) to the rest of the Eights, including Athena (who may or may not be connected constantly, but who may have been with the whole virus thing). It's how I figure Caprica didn't have memories of Gina in Downloaded - Gina didn't die - and Boomer/the rest of the eights don't know Sharon is pregnant onboard Galactica/that Hera "died". I think mainly that....not that many people are around anymore and who would judge? Adama? He'd never take Lee to task for that. I think you might mean the Zephyr? Bastet - Do you have the movies Razor and The Plan as well as the series? (Also, sorry this was so longwinded - only just now getting back from the holiday holiday-ness)

It does hold up well, I agree. Probably helps that there are no aliens so the show can't be dated by CGI like other shows have been. I mean there is some CGI but it wasn't a show that relied heavily on CGI. Although I never really understood where they kept getting paper from but that is neither here nor there. I like Colonial Day also - pretty much any episode where Roslin is featured heavily works for me. The finale was great. I started with the second season but Adama getting shot remained a holy shit moment. I guess her religious bent is slightly different and not reminiscent of any of our god dogma that helps. And I like Greek mythology so that helps. I know she has the breast cancer and the whole dying factor is the big draw but I do wonder if she would have gone that religious that fast if there was no dying leader but, I don't know a reference to a leader with red hair or something. I absolutely love Billy. Billy is just, well, Billy. Do you have a favourite? or MVP?

The other thing with Baltar is that he is the smartest guy in the ship, one of the smartest guys on Caprica and owing to his narcassism got massively played by Six, unintentionally contributing to the attack wiping out everyone save the 50 000 people on the fleet. I always thought a lot of his engagment with the Six and the god stuff is partially (or mostly?) due to some feelings of guilt. Maybe also severe embarrassment. People will do out of character things because of guilt. Plus I always thought him picking the right target was luck. Much like Apollo taking a shot of flying though the tunnel. Haha It was a nickname given by the fandom. I'm pretty sure the cast got told of it at a con back in the day and loved it. She gets one truly awesome line in about the airlock later on - something to look forward to. I love it also! The dinner scene alone is gold and topped off by the Baltar's lab scene. Brilliant. I never saw Family Ties and i ended up with a soft spot for Ellen. And she is very different to all the heroes we are supposed to root for. And she is awful - even Adama thinks so! Yeah I liked the Laura/Kara scenes also - I'm pretty sure hearing at a con that the actresses were banned later on from having scenes together because at some point they started laughing and couldnt stop themselves.

Religion does feature really heavily. It isn't always about the gods vs. god, although Six is always on a religious bent to some degree. The religion thing does get somewhat interesting - and I think probably influenced by the early 2000s and the Bush administration. I think this may have been the start of Madam Airlock if I recall correctly. And the first time I thought this show was really different. Not everyday you have a hero waterboarding a prisoner. I gotta say, the Cylons were impressive, particularly the Sixes and the Eights. Shelley Godfrey is nothing like Head!Six. Those two actresses really do some good work. Are you now up to Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down? That one is one of my favourites of the whole show...

Yeah no I had a bit more respect for Richard Hatch after changing his mind. Benedict remained a wanker. Not a big loss from what I can tell. This show is not like the normal sci-fi I suppose. Your thought is interesting and something to remember. And it was good EJO had it put into his contract that if he ever saw a script with an alien in it he planned to faint on camera and never return. Everyone took it more seriously than the usual. Have you found the bloopers at all? Also worth it. Anyway, more than happy to chat with you while you go along if you like? It may give me a good reason for another rewatch

Oh you are way better at pacing yourself than I was! I got in with the first episodes of Season 2 and I mainlined the first season...several times. You have some great ones coming up. And Laura Roslin is my favourite also and she also gets some gold moments. Yeah - much like Richard Hatch playing Tom Zarek having been Captain Apollo in the original (Bastet - he was the leader of the convicts Apollo dealt with on the prison ship who tried to stage that rebellion). RIP Richard Hatch. He seems like he was a nice guy. And certainly had a load more class about this BSG than Dirk Benedict ever did).

The Galactica had jumped before (I'd assume military practice), but not over the red line. Presumably it was not so hard because it was all fully plotted so they knew what they were jumping to. Outside of the red line they have no solid data so they very much could jump into the middle of a planet or a sun somewhere and so jumping is not as simple as it once was. Bastet - What episode are you up to?

I gotta say, and I realise that this may be an unpopular opinions, but I the more I rewatch this show, the more I dislike Grissom as a oss. I think he could have been a good second-in-command and mentor but his leadership skills are weak, he is borderline petty and plays favourites too much. I think they should have had Ted Danson as DB as the boss from the beginning. I do rewatch his reruns before any with Ray though. So he wasn't the total worse. But sorry - I've got no idea about the hat!

if the pregnancy test was for Mariana and considering the timeline on the show it would be Wyatt's which is great because - between Mariana's beautifulness and Wyatt's hair that would be an extremely pretty child!

I don't hate the episode entirely. I do think Alice probably did play the victim in that first trial and that probably did colour Abbie's view of her in this one. At least, I believe that's what the episode was showing. What I disliked was the Abbie's rape reveal. I dislike it when rape is used to show why a woman is "tough" and harsher on something that the leading "man" would be. While obviously Abbie was wrong about prisoner consent to sex (i.e. its obviously rape) to her turn soft on Alice because they were both raped and blamed themselves just leaves a weird impression. I'm not saying Abbie shouldn't have adopted a less strict opinion but tying it to a rape? Lazy and cliched storytelling to me.

Yes because after their behaviour I'd be inclined to forget everything and trust them all again if I were Buffy. And it was Angel that came back out of the portal, not Angelus so...

I don't see the point in continuing this if we just cherry pick what we want or put it down to a bad writer. As said, I don't think Xander lied for any kind of noble reason and shouldn't have done it. He primarily did it because he is a Nice Guy. I didn't say Buffy only ran away because of the lie - I earlier referred to her mother's crap decision. As said, I think the lie did make her feel alone, likely contributed to her running away and did linger. Which I choose to believe given it is referenced later, shitty writer or no. But at this point, we'd just be going around in circles if it continues.

So because it was brought up in a season that apparently no one likes it doesn't count? Well jeez, I guess I was wrong then and will ignore what the show says. But Buffy didn't run away for no reason. Festering is what it sounds like and doesn't always resolve itself in seconds, minutes or years. Sometimes things linger, even without you recognising it. And I don't think this is something tiny. I never said it drove a long-term massively obvious wedge between them either. But if it was nothing - why bother to bring it up? Years later? Can't have it both ways. Unless I should be forgetting it was because its one of the seasons that doesn't matter

I loved this show when I was younger - to my parent's horror. Pacey was always my favourite - but on retrospect the teacher storyline is gross. I also loved Joey to start with - I wanted to relate with someone no one ever looked at. Except I didn't look like Katie Holmes so nowadays that falls apart.... I really do appreciate Jen now, and dislike the slut shaming this show was so very good at. And they needed someone better than Kerr Smith (or less afraid of the gay) Like many other shows it should have ended before college because it completely got away from the writers and they either didn't know, or knew and didn't care about how awful Dawson was coming across Same. Even back then with Joey-coloured glasses I thought Pacey should have won it. And a boy from my hometown clearly watched it because a few years later he entered a similar competition - and half-won!

Season 4 is the final year now - the twitter anouncement

That was the final season - see Josh Thomas' Twitter account That said, it sure did wrap things up. And I love Hannah. I plan on using 'Sorry I'm late - someone called me fat in year 3' at some point.

I mean, as said before, Xander decided to NOT tell her Willow was trying the spell and decided all she needed to hear was "Kick his ass". My point is that was a unilateral decision to not tell his leader, who was attempting to save the world, all possible information about the situation. I'm not saying that she was alone during the fight. I'm saying that if she knew there was one person who she knew was doing everything they could to get Angel back to her, perhaps she wouldn't have run and it wouldn't have festered like it did (which I am taking that it did, considering it was brought up seasons later). Especially considering she did stab him, soul and all. And whatever Joss said or not about it being a tactical decision, from the story it did fester and Xander himself thought it was wrong because he never brought it up until it was. For what it is worth, if the 'Kick his ass' had been said by Giles or Oz, I'd likely have a similar approach. I think if it had of come from Cordelia, who had no stake in anyone Angelus had killed or maimed (i.e. Jenny or Willow) I'd be less inclined to argue because she would be more impartial about the whole situation. But Xander had hated Angel from the beginning, because he 'loved' Buffy, was the 'Nice Guy' and his childhood friend had been hurt, so it doesn't appear to me as a tactical decision in the way it was perhaps supposed to.

I'm not saying she should have been told to stall him. Or that she should have on the off chance Willow could do it especially given she knew it wasn't a sure thing the first time. Essentially, Xander decided he got to send her into battle alone, facing as far as he knew, 3 powerful vamps and their many minion, like you said. Now she wasn't getting offered support from her 'team'. Considering the emphasis on family this show promotes with the Scoobies, they pretty much sent her out alone. If nothing else, knowing one other person was actively trying to help could have helped her during the fight, or the aftermath of it. I disagree that it is something you should do to either a friend or someone you have appointed as your leader (rather shows a patronising lack of confidence in her abilities). Maybe Xander didn't realise how damaging that lie could be but still not a necessary lie. Joss did bring it back up several years later when the controversy over this line had been going on awhile though...suggests it was meant to be something hidden to me.

For a few reasons, I'm not a fan of Xander and the 'Kick his Ass' comment. 1) I'm not sure he had the impartial state of mind to make a call that Buffy would be weaker if she knew Willow was trying the spell again. Considering their "love" for each other, I think there was a fairly good shot (like 50% and above) it may have bucked her up even more and she may have fought even harder to stop him opening Acathla (especially considering she did stick a sword in him once the portal was open, soul and all, Xander's possible fear wasn't even realised) 2) Perhaps knowing she had some support from her friends, for the one course of action she hoped for, again could have bucked her up or at least could have helped her realise she did have support and not run away. She may have even stayed with Willow considering her mother kicked her out for something she couldn't help. 3) Even Xander knew it was wrong otherwise he wouldn't have kept it secret for years. In the months when Buffy had left he never thought maybe it could be related? I just don't agree that a leader, that everyone has decided is the leader, shouldn't be told all pertinent information. If you've decided they are your leader, that's it. Xander made a choice and it was the wrong one.

Well, you did in the beginning to be fair. I think she'd understand his compulsion to hunt potentially. And the single-minded focus that can result in. They are both hunters, she just happens to to hunt him. Not a groundbreaking take for this show I agree. I just disagree her having a little bit of sex should be grounds for suggesting it's where a woman's power lies or is expressed.

So she holds the cards because her "power" lies in saying no to these men's subsequent demands on her after she has consensual sex with them? In which case, how is that possibly something she has control over? How can she control their emotions? Particularly as she never did anything to encourage or benefit from their continued attempts. She didn't incite Jimmy Olson to continually text her - he did it in the face of it. She never demanded Burns make her SIO because they'd had sex 20 years before - If he wants to carry a torch for 20 years, that's on him. She didn't lead him on but he still got drunk and attacked her and yet it's her power at fault? You may have a point with the card holding in regards to Anderson but again, in the show, she was never shown as leading him on or punishing him for any personal relationship in the workplace or otherwise. Meanwhile, Spector is using his power to kill. Rape. Mutilate. Desecrate a corpse. Emotionally (following physically) torture Annie Brawley by being her shrink and physically torture Rose Stagg for weeks. Because he hates women. Stella has sex with 3 men (over a 20 year period) and kisses a woman because she finds them attractive, takes no benefit from those encounters or exploits them in any way (while being rewarded with her colleagues' judgment and a sexual assault) but the two are comparable and on the same spectrum? No I don't agree. I don't dislike the implication because it is simply not there. If anything the three men she had sex with and Spector could be compared on the same spectrum because all 4 have displayed an utter dismissal, dislike or hatred towards women being in control of anything, including their own sexuality.

Does she? Why? Just because she has sex she's asserting her 'power'? As far as I can tell, unless I missed something, she had consensual sex with only 2 men, one of whom wasn't on the Spector case at all (Merlin is iffy for me in terms of the boss dynamic and frankly, a poor second choice after Archie Panjabi but then nothing was made of it so I'll also ignore it). There isn't a power/control aspect to that unlike Spector who broke into homes, raped and killed them. I don't think the two are similar at all and I don't like the implication that a woman having a bit of casual sex is somehow on the same sadistic spectrum. And she's never kept her sex life a secret. Discreet, but not a shameful secret.